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Zelenskyy/Trump press conference...

ok i watched the 5 mins of the shouting match. insane indeed. so many questions. i would’ve assumed that even bfore zelensky got on a plane to come here there was already an informal agreement in place that merely required formal in person signatures. how the eff does snl type programming happen in such a situation. whoever is to blame bit of a disaster for zelensky,
 
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Ukraine has a national website for their points of peace.

Also they did not sign the mineral rights agreement.

I guess they prefer fighting and dieing.
If Mexico invaded and tried to annex 1/5 of the United States, would you be unwilling to fight and die for your country?
 
So Trump was Trump again today (embarrassing) could have handled that better. The question we have to ask ourselves are we willing to give Russia the territory they have gained in Ukraine for a peace agreement and Ukraine joining NATO, or do we continue to fund Ukraine and ultimately more bloodshed and the real possibility of it escalating into something that we are sending are troops to? On one hand I don’t think Putin should gain anything because he was the aggressor, on the other hand I don’t see an end to the war
It isn't our territory to give. Why can't you people understand this?
 
ok i watched the 5 mins of the shouting match. insane indeed. so many questions. i would’ve assumed that even bfore zelensky got on a plane to come here there was already an informal agreement in place that merely required formal in person signatures. how the eff does snl type programming happen in such a situation. whoever is to blame bit of a disaster for zelensky,
Trump may have wanted the show we saw.
 
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ok i watched the 5 mins of the shouting match. insane indeed. so many questions. i would’ve assumed that even bfore zelensky got on a plane to come here there was already an informal agreement in place that merely required formal in person signatures. how the eff does snl type programming happen in such a situation. whoever is to blame bit of a disaster for zelensky,
The goal of the meeting was to embarrass Zelenskyy.
 
While most of your rant is leftist fantasy, one assertion in your post is worth comment:

He couldn't care less about Ukraine. That's correct, nor should he. And if we really dig down, none of us care about Ukraine either. We do want to limit Russian expansion, but ultimately our concern is for America's interests.

One statement during the debacle was particularly telling by Trump. He said 'I'm not on Russia's side or Ukraine's side, I'm on America's side.'

This deal Trump is proposing offers Security for Ukraine in exchange for mineral rights/royalties/etc. This is simply Trump being opportunistic in the interest of America, in a way that happens to deter Russia from further incursion and gives Ukraine what they want, security, even if not as an official member of NATO.

I'm curious what zelenskyys problem with the actual deal is, I do understand the Trump/Z disdain for one another (Actually I don't really understand Trump's dislike of Z, but suspect it's more of a posture than anything).
I see you’re in the market to buy a few bridges.
 
Trump supporters will never be convinced that President Trump is wrong about Ukraine or his support of Putin.

The only thing that will get their attention is the U.S. goes into a recession while Trump is on office, a recession that would negatively impact their own economic well-being.

The last U.S. recession was in 2008 (now 17 years ago). The economic downturn due to Covid was harder to classify as a recession, so Trump did not get blamed for it (even though he botched U.S. response to the Covid). The reality is that the U.S. is due for a recession (which would negatively impact me in my line of work), and there is a high likelihood that President Trump's actions (tariffs, letting Musk gut the federal government workforce) will lead to a U.S. recession in the next 12-18 months. Even then many Trump supporters will claim it is Biden's fault.
 
Biden baited Russia pure and simple. He specifically said Ukraine was on their own when there were already US military assets on the ground. Ukraine simply did not have the ability to stop the invasion without US advisement.

Biden should NEVER have allowed his son to be engaged in a sensitive area.

25% of Ukraine's population has left. The nation is in shambles. The adult male population is decimated.

If Biden was serious about defending Ukraine he would have poured assets into Ukraine prior to the invasion.

Ukraine simply doesn't have much ability to use US weapons systems. F16s and Abrams are a joke.

Trump is an idiot.

The situation is hopeless and puts us on the verge of ww3 if China gets involved.

The Europeans are acting insane.

Putin is a madman that didn't develop a broad economy. Russia at best has 20 years demographically.

Idiots all around including war mongers.

Biden had to deal with a calcitrant congress. It was like pulling teeth to get funding. How soon we forget or don't want to remember.

Prior to the invasion? WTF planet are you living on. Man, fantasy is an option, but there is a real world we have to live in. At least some of us try to.
 
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Why can't people hold two things in their mind at once:

A) Yeah, Trump is a raging ****tard (as evidenced by his raging ****tard behavior on the topic of Ukraine)
B) We should try to find some way to halt the Ukraine conflict; we can't spend billions of dollars every year on this thing indefinitely

Ostensibly, people be like... well I like the idea of B so A can't be true

Are people really that inadequate intellectually?
Both are definitely true. Any reasonable person knows this.
 
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Thats a statement a hostage is forced to make.
 
While most of your rant is leftist fantasy, one assertion in your post is worth comment:

He couldn't care less about Ukraine. That's correct, nor should he. And if we really dig down, none of us care about Ukraine either. We do want to limit Russian expansion, but ultimately our concern is for America's interests.

One statement during the debacle was particularly telling by Trump. He said 'I'm not on Russia's side or Ukraine's side, I'm on America's side.'

This deal Trump is proposing offers Security for Ukraine in exchange for mineral rights/royalties/etc. This is simply Trump being opportunistic in the interest of America, in a way that happens to deter Russia from further incursion and gives Ukraine what they want, security, even if not as an official member of NATO.

I'm curious what zelenskyys problem with the actual deal is, I do understand the Trump/Z disdain for one another (Actually I don't really understand Trump's dislike of Z, but suspect it's more of a posture than anything).
Refreshing to see imo
 
While most of your rant is leftist fantasy, one assertion in your post is worth comment:

He couldn't care less about Ukraine. That's correct, nor should he. And if we really dig down, none of us care about Ukraine either. We do want to limit Russian expansion, but ultimately our concern is for America's interests.

One statement during the debacle was particularly telling by Trump. He said 'I'm not on Russia's side or Ukraine's side, I'm on America's side.'

This deal Trump is proposing offers Security for Ukraine in exchange for mineral rights/royalties/etc. This is simply Trump being opportunistic in the interest of America, in a way that happens to deter Russia from further incursion and gives Ukraine what they want, security, even if not as an official member of NATO.

I'm curious what zelenskyys problem with the actual deal is, I do understand the Trump/Z disdain for one another (Actually I don't really understand Trump's dislike of Z, but suspect it's more of a posture than anything).

You seem to be falling deeper and deeper into the cult by the day.
 
Well I would hope Trump would offer it, guess not, quick question does the US have veto power for NATO membership, I honestly don’t know
I don't know, but I think NATO membership is unfortunately off the table. Actually I don't think the US was offering any kind of protection/guarantees to Ukraine.
 
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