All the EU nations actually gave Ukraine loans we did not.
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Well no wonder the war mongers are upset. Zelensky doesn't want peace. He wants us to wipe out Russia. Good luck with that. That damn Trump doesn't play the Shitlibs games.
These people are beyond parody.
I’m sorry.
Until there’s a deal that acknowledges what Ukraine gains in a negotiation, Trump and his apologists can f**k right off.
No security assurances were given to Ukraine. It was simply the U.S. and Russia divvying up the spoils in Saudi Arabia. And today.
Such foolish talk. No common sense. On the ropes and desperate.🤪
While most of your rant is leftist fantasy, one assertion in your post is worth comment:
He couldn't care less about Ukraine. That's correct, nor should he. And if we really dig down, none of us care about Ukraine either. We do want to limit Russian expansion, but ultimately our concern is for America's interests.
One statement during the debacle was particularly telling by Trump. He said 'I'm not on Russia's side or Ukraine's side, I'm on America's side.'
This deal Trump is proposing offers Security for Ukraine in exchange for mineral rights/royalties/etc. This is simply Trump being opportunistic in the interest of America, in a way that happens to deter Russia from further incursion and gives Ukraine what they want, security, even if not as an official member of NATO.
I'm curious what zelenskyys problem with the actual deal is, I do understand the Trump/Z disdain for one another (Actually I don't really understand Trump's dislike of Z, but suspect it's more of a posture than anything).
Why can't people hold two things in their mind at once:
A) Yeah, Trump is a raging ****tard (as evidenced by his raging ****tard behavior on the topic of Ukraine)
B) We should try to find some way to halt the Ukraine conflict; we can't spend billions of dollars every year on this thing indefinitely
Ostensibly, people be like... well I like the idea of B so A can't be true
Are people really that inadequate intellectually?
A) Yeah, Trump is a raging ****tard (as evidenced by his raging ****tard behavior on the topic of Ukraine)
B) We should try to find some way to halt the Ukraine conflict; we can't spend billions of dollars every year on this thing indefinitely
Ostensibly, people be like... well I like the idea of B so A can't be true
Are people really that inadequate intellectually?
You read the deal? You have no ****ing what was in the deal. Security for Ukraine? What security?
Yes, and I'm 1% Ashkenazi Jew so you can take that to the bank.
When is Comrade Filthy DON GOING TO PULL HIS HEAD OUT OF PUTIES ASS, then they can restore talks.
It's still about the impeachment with thin skinned Donny.
No they're not. America isn't your retarded MAGA echo-chamber on Twitter.
To be fair Trump tried to play tough guy to Putin first. And Putin told him to **** off. Making Ukraine bend over is the only easy way out for him here.
He just wants his ****ing country back dumb ****.
I doubt it. He was going to be impeached for something regardless of what happened. Maybe it's that, but that seems pretty unlikely.
1994 Trilateral Statement
The Massandra Accords set the stage for the ultimately successful trilateral talks. As the United States mediated between Russia and Ukraine, the three countries signed the Trilateral Statement on January 14, 1994. Ukraine committed to full disarmament, including strategic weapons, in exchange for economic support and security assurances from the United States and Russia. Ukraine agreed to transfer its nuclear warheads to Russia and accepted U.S. assistance in dismantling missiles, bombers, and nuclear infrastructure. Ukraine’s warheads would be dismantled in Russia, and Ukraine would receive compensation for the commercial value of the highly enriched uranium. Ukraine ratified START on February 3, 1994, repealing its earlier preconditions, but it would not accede to the NPT without further security assurances.
The Massandra Accords set the stage for the ultimately successful trilateral talks. As the United States mediated between Russia and Ukraine, the three countries signed the Trilateral Statement on January 14, 1994. Ukraine committed to full disarmament, including strategic weapons, in exchange for economic support and security assurances from the United States and Russia. Ukraine agreed to transfer its nuclear warheads to Russia and accepted U.S. assistance in dismantling missiles, bombers, and nuclear infrastructure. Ukraine’s warheads would be dismantled in Russia, and Ukraine would receive compensation for the commercial value of the highly enriched uranium. Ukraine ratified START on February 3, 1994, repealing its earlier preconditions, but it would not accede to the NPT without further security assurances.
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It is insulting that they think the rest of us are as stupid as their supporters. Beyond insulting, really.
They 100% for sure think that all regular people are complete morans.
He wants Russia to withdraw their troops from the land they occupy. That's never going to happen.
US is done funding a 3 year war Ukraine can't win.
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Appeasement is not actually peace.
This is a lesson I would think most Americans would have learned from reading history.
Why not? Putn’s a dictator. Putin launders money. Putin doesn’t favor democracy. Insert list of other things Trump and Twitter have lobbed at Zelenskyy.
Does Putin not want peace?
Perhaps most concerning, is that Republicans and MAGAs on here dispute the proposition that America can dissolve into 1930s Germany "because people will step up and that could never happen here"...
With a government-ful and Congress-ful of Marco Rubios, that's precisely where we will end up.
**** can you guys ever get your ****ing facts straight. UUUUUUGGGH
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The President can wear what he wants.
Well I would hope Trump would offer it, guess not, quick question does the US have veto power for NATO membership, I honestly don’t know
He'd be stupid to trust anything the lying Orange piece of shit says. He'd be better off flying back to Kiev and negotiating with NATO countries and honest brokers. Not commie lovin' shit holes.
Whites fighting don't excite him.
Truer words have never been spoken. It's insulting that he and Vance think we'll buy his BS at face level. He whines about respect. When you lie to someone's face you deserve no respect.
Look at little Marco trying to squeeze his way into the 2028 race already. Sad.
This was a premeditated setup and the thing most important for Trump is the show. This is what he will be most excited about.
I remember it quite well. Republicans were rabidly anti-russia. Now they are all fried brain cultists loyal to a cult leader who has been a Russian asset since 1987. That was, for those too young to remember, before the end of the Cold War.
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Are you telling me our DRAFT DODGER THUMP is standing with the RUSSIAN WAR MONGER Putie and will back him, no matter what else happens.
