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Zelenskyy/Trump press conference...

Shouting match. It's embarrassing. Trump and Vance trying to score PR points, acting like school yard bullies.

Vance and Trump are such punk ass bitches. It's shameful that they choose to attack the wounded while simultaneously supporting the dictator, Putin. These two have no place in any position of power.
 
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Preface: Do not take this as a defense of Trump or Vance in any way. They embarrass this country daily.

Was anyone in Zelenskyy's ear telling him that doing this PC might be a bad idea? Seems like Trump et al laid a trap for him and he walked into it.

I just don't understand why anyone other than Trump/Vance thought this was necessary or how it would be constructive.
 
You are free to ignore me, don't read my posts, or not reply even. But that sort of response simply demonstrates the intellectual weakness of the position you attempt to argue. Or avoid as your post indirectly illustrates so succinctly.
If you had an ounce of self awareness you would realize people don’t want to debate you because it is the equivalent of arguing with a four year old. You don’t have the mental acuity to form a coherent argument.
 
People are incredibly naive if they don’t think that arguing among world leaders hasn’t occurred in the past and won’t again in the future. Difference this time is it happened out in the open, rather than behind closed doors.
 
This is worse than the shit Trump said about Canada.

I am still in shock by what transpired in front of the cameras. I sincerely believe Trump thinks the presidency is like a reality TV show. JD Vance is a coward and wannabe alpha. He’s an absolute goon.

I can’t imagine how many people around the world are shocked right now (or about to be shocked) watching that shit show unfold on their local news.
Vance definitely feels overshadowed with VP Musk getting the news. Had to put on fake anger just to get noticed.
 
Preface: Do not take this as a defense of Trump or Vance in any way. They embarrass this country daily.

Was anyone in Zelenskyy's ear telling him that doing this PC might be a bad idea? Seems like Trump et al laid a trap for him and he walked into it.

I just don't understand why anyone other than Trump/Vance thought this was necessary or how it would be constructive.
Just speculating, but I am guessing he is viewing it as a shit-or-get-off-the-pot moment.

He now knows that America - as long as the draft dodger, faux-billy and Autistic-African billionaire shyster are in charge - is a wholly unreliable ally.

Better to know for certain and plan accordingly.
 
It won't be bothsides'ed. Instead it will actually be cheered on by the Fox supporters as "tough talk" and strong/alpha behavior from someone who "tells it like it is." The people saying this/supporting this are the type of people who have John Wayne pictures on their walls but are very soft/beta in reality. It's just science at this point.

At least this was out in the open so we can see exactly what Zelenskyy is. More will be reveled about Mr. Zelenskyy. Stay tuned. You actually have no control over any of this, and the adults are now in charge.
 
I don't know man. Since this conversation has happened I have had 2 separate Trump supporting clients call me throwing their hands up in the air. People are slowly but surely getting there I think/hope.
I mean when the economy is in the shitter, groceries cost more than they did under Biden and the U.S. is bereft of allies and friends - it will get pretty hard to keep pretending everything is OK.

In other words, this is what the BURN IT DOWN crowd has been saying needs to happen.

Apparently, the American electorate is like a toddler putting a knife into an electrical outlet - you just hope they learn the lesson before they get electrocuted.
 
Ultimately, it's probably good in the long run.

These absolute clowns are not going to be able to keep up any facade of competence much longer.

It's going to be ugly and painful for awhile, but unlike actually EFFECTIVE fascists, they have no actual governing or leadership ability. Just temper tantrums, mean words and bullshit.
I need to unplug from it all.

I was having fun with it for a while, but even I have a line that is just too far.

That White House meeting is the last straw for me. It’s no longer entertaining. It’s trash reality TV combined with the Twilight Zone.

And it’s just going to keep getting worse.
 
This is worse than the shit Trump said about Canada.

I am still in shock by what transpired in front of the cameras. I sincerely believe Trump thinks the presidency is like a reality TV show. JD Vance is a coward and wannabe alpha. He’s an absolute goon.

I can’t imagine how many people around the world are shocked right now (or about to be shocked) watching that shit show unfold on their local news.
don't mean to impose but can you/ anyone briefly summarize what happened? the video in the second post appears to be 2 hours long, so i can't check it out at present
 
'If republicans had even an ounce of dignity, the should be embarrassed as hell. But they don't.'

You must not have lived through Afghanistan and that Biden debate performance. Link to your disgust then please.

This is my position----> We should never have been involved in this from the beginning. I am not willing to spend American money and lives for Ukraine. The Democrats used to be the ones against getting tangled up in wars to stop opponents distant aggression. Did we not learn anything from Vietnam? Why wasn't Ukraine part of Nato? Real question. Think about that. Why doesnt Europe fix this themselves? Why do Americans always have to pay to 'save' Europe when Europe sure as hell can defend itself if they are interested in stopping Russia?

If Russia attacks a NATO member or something in our hemisphere, fine. They go after Greenland, I am there with you. I just don't get all the Ukraine love. I really don't.
So, you are saying you haven't an ounce of dignity. Most assholes don't, and as we have seen, you maganazis are the lowest of the low.
 
SIAP - part of trump's post.

“It’s amazing what comes out through emotion, and I have determined that President Zelenskyy is not ready for Peace if America is involved, because he feels our involvement gives him a big advantage in negotiations,” Trump continued. “I don’t want advantage, I want PEACE. He disrespected the United States of America in its cherished Oval Office. He can come back when he is ready for Peace.”.
 
I don't know man. Since this conversation has happened I have had 2 separate Trump supporting clients call me throwing their hands up in the air. People are slowly but surely getting there I think/hope.
We don’t ever get to see big boy ball.
 
'If republicans had even an ounce of dignity, the should be embarrassed as hell. But they don't.'

You must not have lived through Afghanistan and that Biden debate performance. Link to your disgust then please.

This is my position----> We should never have been involved in this from the beginning. I am not willing to spend American money and lives for Ukraine. The Democrats used to be the ones against getting tangled up in wars to stop opponents distant aggression. Did we not learn anything from Vietnam? Why wasn't Ukraine part of Nato? Real question. Think about that. Why doesnt Europe fix this themselves? Why do Americans always have to pay to 'save' Europe when Europe sure as hell can defend itself if they are interested in stopping Russia?

If Russia attacks a NATO member or something in our hemisphere, fine. They go after Greenland, I am there with you. I just don't get all the Ukraine love. I really don't.
When NATO was formed, Ukraine was not part of Europe. It was annexed by the CCCP.

Go back and re read your statement and read how and when Ukrainian was freed from Russian imperialism.
 
You'd think Zalensky would have some sort of self respect to wear a suit and tie into the oval office or to address our Congress, but nope.

If NATO upgrades their military support after what we saw today, we should've done this a long time ago, huh? As far as I'm concerned, NATO and Zalensky can pound sand.
At least we wasn't wearing a baseball hat like Elon does
 
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Preface: Do not take this as a defense of Trump or Vance in any way. They embarrass this country daily.

Was anyone in Zelenskyy's ear telling him that doing this PC might be a bad idea? Seems like Trump et al laid a trap for him and he walked into it.

I just don't understand why anyone other than Trump/Vance thought this was necessary or how it would be constructive.
Honestly, this event went as good as it could for Zelenskyy. Trump and Vance not so much.

Not hyperbole, that was one of the most embarrassing moments in US history.
 
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