So torbee is accurate. Got it.I'm so excited for you. That must be one of your life's greatest achievements. Congratulations.
So torbee is accurate. Got it.I'm so excited for you. That must be one of your life's greatest achievements. Congratulations.
So, you can find assholes who aren't white supremacists. BFD. The difference is that MAGAs tend to defend the white supremacists. Are liberals rushing to defend this guy?I challenge you to find ms a video of white supremacists speaking anywhere near as violently as these black supremacists:
So, you can find assholes who aren't white supremacists. BFD. The difference is that MAGAs tend to defend the white supremacists. Are liberals rushing to defend this guy?
There is an active cult propagating lies and deception, and all of 'Merica know it is led by Lying Donnie the Sexual Abuser. Well, anyone with a brain and not a racist.
This seems a tad ironic.You cultists are hilarious.
This seems a tad ironic.
Wait, are you still trying to claim Trump didn't say "you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."?Ironic how? I've said many times on this forum I don't think trump should even be allowed to run for president again. That doesn't mean I think people should lie about him or what he's said. Now tell me what cult I'm in. The one that cares about the truth? Give me a break.
Based on this thread, you seem to have a very similar mindset.Ironic how? I've said many times on this forum I don't think trump should even be allowed to run for president again. That doesn't mean I think people should lie about him or what he's said. Now tell me what cult I'm in. The one that cares about the truth? Give me a break.
Wait, are you still trying to claim Trump didn't say "you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."?
Scruddy is most likely right. Given the full statement, Trump was probably just talking about those for and against the removal of the statues. However, Trump isn’t always clear in his messaging so who knows.Wait, are you still trying to claim Trump didn't say "you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."?
I know a lot of trump supporters and I don’t think any of them are white nationalists by any standard definition.Two questions:
1. How is it that you blame Biden for the divisiveness? Of all the things that are dividing us and raising hostility in the nation, which of them did Biden cause?
Saying Biden is "incredibly divisive" sounds like something that gets repeated on Fox and elsewhere on the right, regardless of evidence, because it sells to their audience.
2. While I'm sure there are some MAGA supporters who are not white nationalists, don't you think most are, and by a pretty clear margin?
Yes, I left out one side was full of white supremacists chanting things like "the Jews will not replace us". Thought that was understood but forgot how ignorant you are.You're leaving a key piece of that quote out.. Wonder why that is..
I disagree completely. He knew who the "sides" were and was catering to his base.Scruddy is most likely right. Given the full statement, Trump was probably just talking about those for and against the removal of the statues. However, Trump isn’t always clear in his messaging so who knows.
Proud Boys stand back and stand by
I disagree completely. He knew who the "sides" were and was catering to his base.
At this point, even if the cult members aren’t racist a personally they are all in on protecting and promoting white supremacy. Look at the two loathsome numpties getting abused in this thread for examples.Fact is Lying Donnie the Sexual Abuser lies daily multiple times about everything big and small. And then lies about his lies. Everybody in the world knows that except for the cult and the racists, who know it but are too embarrassed to admit they support someone like that. How anybody can support someone so poor in character, full of lies I'll never know. And I'm not even going to talk about incompetency when he was president.
"A lot"?I know a lot of trump supporters and I don’t think any of them are white nationalists by any standard definition.
“one of a group of militant white people who espouse white supremacy (see WHITE SUPREMACY sense 1) and advocate enforced racial segregation”
Trump occasionally says things that he knows normal, decent people are supposed to say."There were very fine people on both sides, & I'm not talking about the Neo-nazis and white supremacists because they should be condemned totally."
This is the full quote. Seems pretty clear to me what he's saying.
In the Charlottesville case, it was clear he was mainly encouraging and defending and covering for the specific racists and anti-semites involved there. That coddling behavior isn't cancelled out by a throwaway line condemning generic bad guys.
IronicYou are a dishonest low grade propagandist.
Yep. Northern doesn’t have a job. If he does he’s not proud of it.Some of us have lives off of here, Bud. Can’t all just punch out the wife and be on the internet all day.
Great rebuttal, full of facts to support your position. Hahaha. Does it hurt to be in bed with and supportive of that type?This is total bullshit.
But white supremacy isn’t a dealbreaker for them. They vote with them. I wouldn’t.I know a lot of trump supporters and I don’t think any of them are white nationalists by any standard definition.
“one of a group of militant white people who espouse white supremacy (see WHITE SUPREMACY sense 1) and advocate enforced racial segregation”
Great rebuttal, full of facts to support your position. Hahaha. Does it hurt to be in bed with and supportive of that type?
Trump occasionally says things that he knows normal, decent people are supposed to say.
Are you saying that you think because he occasionally (rarely and unconvincingly) condemns racism and fascism that means he actually opposes racism and fascism?
In the Charlottesville case, it was clear he was mainly encouraging and defending and covering for the specific racists and anti-semites involved there. That coddling behavior isn't cancelled out by a throwaway line condemning generic bad guys.
But white supremacy isn’t a dealbreaker for them. They vote with them. I wouldn’t.
Most racists support trump but most of his supporters aren’t racists. That’s my opinion anyway."A lot"?
I know 2 Trump supporters and at least one of them isn't an overt white supremacist (or white nationalist - I see this thread is using both terms and, frankly, I'm not sure of the difference).
So . . . anecdotally, most MAGAs aren't, um, let's call them racists.
Yeah, our feelings about personal acquaintances are probably not a good way to measure.
This kind of seat-of-the-pants estimating has limited, but not zero value. And it can be done a couple of ways.
If you had to guess, would you think most racists support Trump? I sure would.
The flip side is whether most supporters of Trum are racists. That's a closer call, but I'm inclined to say yes to that one, too. Maybe not overt racists. But how hard can you defend racism without being a racist?
Great rebuttal again, still full of facts to support your position. And WWJD was actually spot on. Spot on.The record is clear. His statement was bullshit.
Great rebuttal again, still full of facts to support your position. And WWJD was actually spot on. Spot on.
In the Charlottesville case, it was clear he was mainly encouraging and defending and covering for the specific racists and anti-semites involved there. That coddling behavior isn't cancelled out by a throwaway line condemning generic bad guys.
I thought it was Ryan too, but the posts to likes ratio is way off. Ryan is a 5:3 posts to likes guy. At best.STFU Ryan.
Most racists support trump but most of his supporters aren’t racists. That’s my opinion anyway.
Three strikes and now you're out. Again can provide no facts to support your position other than "my facts are right." Must have bought that line of thinking from Lying Donnie the Sexual Abuser. That's his standard line to his cult and they lap it up...without thinking of course.The record of statements is clear. You have nothing to back up his conclusion.
Three strikes and now you're out. Again can provide no facts to support your position other than "my facts are right." Must have bought that line of thinking from Lying Donnie the Sexual Abuser. That's his standard line to his cult and they lap it up...without thinking of course.
Three strikes and now you're out. Again can provide no facts to support your position other than "my facts are right." Must have bought that line of thinking from Lying Donnie the Sexual Abuser. That's his standard line to his cult and they lap it up...without thinking of course.
Provide evidence you have a job.That's not how it works. WWJD made a claim. You have indicated that he is spot on. Yet neither of you has provided anything to back up that claim.
Why won't you provide evidence?