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“We Need a Covid Commission” – Bill Maher Says Fauci and Democrats Refuse to Admit They Got It Wrong

BioHawk said:
A lucky guess doesn't mean that's good science or good practice. Particularly if you are wrong more people die versus the more conservative approach where if you wrong the worst consequence is people are annoyed a little bit.
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I understand your theory, and somewhat agree with "abundance of caution". What I disagree with is turning backs on science and doubling down on bad decisions in the name of science, but really to save face and try to save credibility. This ranges from social distancing to mask mandates to vaccine mandates.

In reality, there were people at NIH and NIAID who knew what we were dealing with earlier in the process than is being admitted. The world had been doing research on the SARS virus since 2010, and the US had been doing research on gain of function on the SARS virus since 2014, first in NC, and then moving the research to Wuhan when Obama outlawed gain if function in the US. It's no coincidence that Fauci made predictions of a vaccine in February 2020.

This comment isn't directed at you, but is just in general. For people to say that it's all in hindsight is either blissfully ignorant or intentionally obtuse. There's clear evidence from e-mails and research grants. It's human nature to not want to believe that people we trust will betray us.
 
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Finance85 said:
I understand your theory, and somewhat agree with "abundance of caution". What I disagree with is turning backs on science and doubling down on bad decisions in the name of science, but really to save face and try to save credibility. This ranges from social distancing to mask mandates to vaccine mandates.

In reality, there were people at NIH and NIAID who knew what we were dealing with earlier in the process than is being admitted. The world had been doing research on the SARS virus since 2010, and the US had been doing research on gain of function on the SARS virus since 2014, first in NC, and then moving the research to Wuhan when Obama outlawed gain if function in the US. It's no coincidence that Fauci made predictions of a vaccine in February 2020.

This comment isn't directed at you, but is just in general. For people to say that it's all in hindsight is either blissfully ignorant or intentionally obtuse. There's clear evidence from e-mails and research grants. It's human nature to not want to believe that people we trust will betray us.
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They didn't "turn their backs on science". You need to understand that with any scientific advance it is very often the case where the data is very messy and takes a lot of time to figure out. You are all acting like this is some new thing, when this is how science is conducted on a daily basis. So they took the safe choice.

As for the vaccine, CRISPR research had been ongoing for a decade prior to Covid. Fauci and his people were very well aware of what it was and how long it was going to take to get it running. "Predicting" that the vaccine would be ready in February 2020 was about as predictive as a prediction that farm crops reports will be available by December of the same year. There's no conspiracy with that. With knowing the genetic sequence of the virus, CRISPR can be used to very quickly design a protein to prep an immune system with.

As for the Wuhan stuff, well, China hasn't exactly been transparent with that. If you want to say they were designing a biological weapon that they intentionally released on their own population to somehow cause a world wide pandemic that would severely harm everyone, including themselves, economically, well I guess you can do that. It doesn't change anything important though, unless you think the US should go to war over that. Probably isn't the smartest response if economic success is something you are concerned about. We can trust them less, but do we trust them at all now? It seems to me the only reason we do anything for them is because we were dumb enough to let most of our industrial base to move over there.
 
BioHawk said:
They didn't "turn their backs on science". You need to understand that with any scientific advance it is very often the case where the data is very messy and takes a lot of time to figure out. You are all acting like this is some new thing, when this is how science is conducted on a daily basis. So they took the safe choice.

As for the vaccine, CRISPR research had been ongoing for a decade prior to Covid. Fauci and his people were very well aware of what it was and how long it was going to take to get it running. "Predicting" that the vaccine would be ready in February 2020 was about as predictive as a prediction that farm crops reports will be available by December of the same year. There's no conspiracy with that. With knowing the genetic sequence of the virus, CRISPR can be used to very quickly design a protein to prep an immune system with.

As for the Wuhan stuff, well, China hasn't exactly been transparent with that. If you want to say they were designing a biological weapon that they intentionally released on their own population to somehow cause a world wide pandemic that would severely harm everyone, including themselves, economically, well I guess you can do that. It doesn't change anything important though, unless you think the US should go to war over that. Probably isn't the smartest response if economic success is something you are concerned about. We can trust them less, but do we trust them at all now? It seems to me the only reason we do anything for them is because we were dumb enough to let most of our industrial base to move over there.
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I'd say it's more likely they were working on a potential bio weapon that they didn't intend to get out but did. In either case trying to sell people on the bat story was complete trash.
 
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Finance85 said:
I understand your theory, and somewhat agree with "abundance of caution". What I disagree with is turning backs on science and doubling down on bad decisions in the name of science, but really to save face and try to save credibility. This ranges from social distancing to mask mandates to vaccine mandates.
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Every one of those mitigations limited the spread of the virus, Cletus.

I posted the logarithmic growth plots for you in March 2020, before those mitigations slowed the spread.
 
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Finance85 said:
In reality, there were people at NIH and NIAID who knew what we were dealing with earlier in the process
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FALSE

Early in the process, no one knew that asymptomatic spread was a major factor. And prior SARs variants had exhibited far higher mortality (which is exactly what this looked like in NYC and Italy, before people figured out treatment strategies that could keep folks alive).
 
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Joes Place said:
FALSE

Early in the process, no one knew that asymptomatic spread was a major factor. And prior SARs variants had exhibited far higher mortality (which is exactly what this looked like in NYC and Italy, before people figured out treatment strategies that could keep folks alive).
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That's right Joe's end of the world virus was so deadly you could have it and not even know it and spread it to grandma... what a tool.
 
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Joes Place said:
FALSE

Early in the process, no one knew that asymptomatic spread was a major factor. And prior SARs variants had exhibited far higher mortality (which is exactly what this looked like in NYC and Italy, before people figured out treatment strategies that could keep folks alive).
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You should be flattered that Bill Maher spoke about you.
 
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BioHawk said:
They didn't "turn their backs on science". You need to understand that with any scientific advance it is very often the case where the data is very messy and takes a lot of time to figure out. You are all acting like this is some new thing, when this is how science is conducted on a daily basis. So they took the safe choice.

As for the vaccine, CRISPR research had been ongoing for a decade prior to Covid. Fauci and his people were very well aware of what it was and how long it was going to take to get it running. "Predicting" that the vaccine would be ready in February 2020 was about as predictive as a prediction that farm crops reports will be available by December of the same year. There's no conspiracy with that. With knowing the genetic sequence of the virus, CRISPR can be used to very quickly design a protein to prep an immune system with.

As for the Wuhan stuff, well, China hasn't exactly been transparent with that. If you want to say they were designing a biological weapon that they intentionally released on their own population to somehow cause a world wide pandemic that would severely harm everyone, including themselves, economically, well I guess you can do that. It doesn't change anything important though, unless you think the US should go to war over that. Probably isn't the smartest response if economic success is something you are concerned about. We can trust them less, but do we trust them at all now? It seems to me the only reason we do anything for them is because we were dumb enough to let most of our industrial base to move over there.
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That's simply not true. There was plenty of evidence about a lot of things, and there was an effort to blur the evidence. Prime example is Fauci making a public announcement telling people to wear cloth masks, then responding to an e-mail to a friend the very same day saying cloth masks aren't effective. We could do this all day, with many, many examples.

The NIH and NIAID knew everything they need to know to address a SARS based pandemic. They had 3rd party research from 2010, and US gain of function research on the SARS since 2014.
 
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Finance85 said:
That's simply not true. There was plenty of evidence about a lot of things, and there was an effort to blur the evidence. Prime example is Fauci making a public announcement telling people to wear cloth masks, then responding to an e-mail to a friend the very same day saying cloth masks aren't effective. We could do this all day, with many, many examples.

The NIH and NIAID knew everything they need to know to address a SARS based pandemic. They had 3rd party research from 2010, and US gain of function research on the SARS since 2014.
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Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were an epidemiologist who was studying all of the reports and the data being collected during that period of time. Far be it you are just using what a few people said on the networks rather than the scientists whose job it is to read all those things.

As far as what the NIH and NIAID knew, it sure would have been nice to have a team whose job it was to specifically look at these types of situations and be able to organize the information in a way that researchers and politicians could use to make informed decisions rather than having to try and sort through all the data while trying to make decisions at the same time after the fire was already burning. Oh wait, we had a team like that until 2018. What happened? Huh.
 
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Finance85 said:
That's simply not true. There was plenty of evidence about a lot of things, and there was an effort to blur the evidence. Prime example is Fauci making a public announcement telling people to wear cloth masks, then responding to an e-mail to a friend the very same day saying cloth masks aren't effective. We could do this all day, with many, many examples.

The NIH and NIAID knew everything they need to know to address a SARS based pandemic. They had 3rd party research from 2010, and US gain of function research on the SARS since 2014.
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Exactly. And they learned from the Spanish Flu a hundred years prior that A) masks were useless and B) the most effective weapon was the stockpiling of antibiotics to treat/prevent bacterial pneumonia.

Going all in on rushing a vaccine into the market was a disaster.
 
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BioHawk said:
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were an epidemiologist who was studying all of the reports and the data being collected during that period of time. Far be it you are just using what a few people said on the networks rather than the scientists whose job it is to read all those things.

As far as what the NIH and NIAID knew, it sure would have been nice to have a team whose job it was to specifically look at these types of situations and be able to organize the information in a way that researchers and politicians could use to make informed decisions rather than having to try and sort through all the data while trying to make decisions at the same time after the fire was already burning. Oh wait, we had a team like that until 2018. What happened? Huh.
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Yeah I'm sure you're a world renown epidemiologist with nothing better to do than hang out on HORT. Pot meet kettle.
 
BioHawk said:
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were an epidemiologist who was studying all of the reports and the data being collected during that period of time. Far be it you are just using what a few people said on the networks rather than the scientists whose job it is to read all those things.

As far as what the NIH and NIAID knew, it sure would have been nice to have a team whose job it was to specifically look at these types of situations and be able to organize the information in a way that researchers and politicians could use to make informed decisions rather than having to try and sort through all the data while trying to make decisions at the same time after the fire was already burning. Oh wait, we had a team like that until 2018. What happened? Huh.
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A person doesn't need specific knowledge of a disease to recognize the evidence of people with that knowledge working on it for nearly a decade, and it doesn't take a genius to be able to read a grant application for people studying ways to take a disease more deadly. It doesn't take a scientist to see an actual scientist give out public information, yet say the opposite thing privately the same day.

It does take a lot of people being able to blindly trust the US government for the government to effectively pull the wool over our eyes and not hold people like Fauci accountable. I trusted the government enough to be jabbed twice.

Ever hear the saying about "fool me once"?
 
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Finance85 said:
Nope. You would be that person.
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I'm the one who posted the graphs of exponential growth early on in the pandemic.

You're the one lying that hospitals DIDN'T set up mobile emergency suites in their parking garages out of grave concern they'd be overwhelmed like NY was...
 
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Rifler said:
Bottom line, is they created a lot of problems for themselves when they pretended to know everything about something that they didn't fully understand...
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Well it certainly didn’t help that publicly they were spending half of their press conferences correcting what Trump said.

And be honest, them saying nothing and giving non-responses would have fueled panic, conspiracy theories, etc even more than what we saw.
MichaelKeller99 said:
Exactly. And they learned from the Spanish Flu a hundred years prior that A) masks were useless and B) the most effective weapon was the stockpiling of antibiotics to treat/prevent bacterial pneumonia.

Going all in on rushing a vaccine into the market was a disaster.
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Just going out on a limb here to suggest that medical masks, and medical practices in general are just a tad better than during the Spanish flu.
 
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Just going out on a limb here to suggest that medical masks, and medical practices in general are just a tad better than during the Spanish flu.
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At the worst of the Covid pandemic early on...we were told to wear cloth masks...
Not 'medical masks'.
 
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Pinehawk said:
lol...grandmas were just making them out of spare cloth and elastic. They were practically worthless.
As Fauci, Osterholm and others initially said, and as the rate of transmission proved.
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A Cochrane review (15) on physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses included 67 RCTs and observational studies. It found that “overall masks were the best performing intervention across populations, settings and threats.”

Not perfect. Better than nothing at all
 
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I'm the one who posted the graphs of exponential growth early on in the pandemic.

You're the one lying that hospitals DIDN'T set up mobile emergency suites in their parking garages out of grave concern they'd be overwhelmed like NY was...
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They were so overwhelmed they had navy medical ships that were never used...

I know you'll never admit this but this just wasn't apocalyptic disease you panic porn pushers hoped for. This was supposed to be your superbowl and it was more like the pro bowl skills competition of viruses.
 
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Joes Place said:
Which were all moved into position in CASE they needed to be use.

'Member WHY they didn't need to be used? Because we shut down all major concerts and gatherings to prevent the virus from spreading in the first months...
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RIIIIIGHT... but we didn't have any problems with Obama's birthday party, or the george floyd marches or his funeral.
 
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Joes Place said:
A Cochrane review (15) on physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses included 67 RCTs and observational studies. It found that “overall masks were the best performing intervention across populations, settings and threats.”

Not perfect. Better than nothing at all
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Ten studies took place in the community, and two studies in healthcare workers. Compared with wearing no mask in the community studies only, wearing a mask may make little to no difference in how many people caught a flu-like illness/COVID-like illness (9 studies; 276,917 people); and probably makes little or no difference in how many people have flu/COVID confirmed by a laboratory test (6 studies; 13,919 people). Unwanted effects were rarely reported; discomfort was mentioned.

N95/P2 respirators

Four studies were in healthcare workers, and one small study was in the community. Compared with wearing medical or surgical masks, wearing N95/P2 respirators probably makes little to no difference in how many people have confirmed flu (5 studies; 8407 people); and may make little to no difference in how many people catch a flu-like illness (5 studies; 8407 people), or respiratory illness (3 studies; 7799 people). Unwanted effects were not well-reported; discomfort was mentioned. (Cochran.org)
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Which were all moved into position in CASE they needed to be use.

'Member WHY they didn't need to be used? Because we shut down all major concerts and gatherings to prevent the virus from spreading in the first months...
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I thought Trump was roundly condemned for not doing anything re: covid? You people should love him; he shut down the country like Fauci told him to, rushed a vaccine to market like Pfizer told him to, etc.

It’s weird how similar the states that locked down and freaked out over the flu ended up with similar outcomes as those that tried to minimize the physical measures required of the citizens.
 
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Every one of those mitigations limited the spread of the virus, Cletus.

I posted the logarithmic growth plots for you in March 2020, before those mitigations slowed the spread.
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Yeah, when you predicted 2.5 million deaths in the US in the first year.

Take it up with Fauci on the masking and social distancing. He's the person who said cloth masks weren't effective, and social distancing was a WAG.
 
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Well it certainly didn’t help that publicly they were spending half of their press conferences correcting what Trump said.

And be honest, them saying nothing and giving non-responses would have fueled panic, conspiracy theories, etc even more than what we saw.


Just going out on a limb here to suggest that medical masks, and medical practices in general are just a tad better than during the Spanish flu.
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What is ‘better’ today? The overuse of vaccines, antibiotics and prescription drugs? America is the unhealthiest developed country on earth…shouldn’t we be the best?

The only thing that’s changed in regard to masks is their mass production. They still can’t prevent the inhalation/exhalation of aerosols. Only thing that’ll do that are scba’s.
 
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