"13 Hours"
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Maybe a handful of people but probably not significant. Those people are easily persuaded anyways though so who knows if they'll stick with the non-vote or not.
Anyone could have read the Republican led report in Benghazi that specifically said that no "stand down" order was given nor was it ever said that air support wasn't available.
That said, you have one of the soldiers from 13 hours saying (IRL) that a stand down order was given. Of course there was a lot going on that night so it could have been misinterpreted.
Most people have probably already made up their mind on which of the two scenarios they most side with and I doubt a movie is going to persuade them one way or the other.
Anyone could have read the Republican led report in Benghazi that specifically said that no "stand down" order was given nor was it ever said that air support wasn't available.
That said, you have one of the soldiers from 13 hours saying (IRL) that a stand down order was given. Of course there was a lot going on that night so it could have been misinterpreted.
Most people have probably already made up their mind on which of the two scenarios they most side with and I doubt a movie is going to persuade them one way or the other.
No offense, but you don't misinterpret an order to stand down. You just don't.
I don't know enough about Benghazi to have a feeling for what happened. All I really know is that Americans died and people blame Hilary Clinton for it. I'm not sure why/how Hilary Clinton is involved because she is just the Secretary of State and not in the chain of command.
I also feel as if everyone from the soldiers on the ground to the first person in the chain that received the stand down order could have viewed that order as unlawful being that American lives were at risk. That's just me though.
I'm not saying Hilary was or wasn't involved. I'm just curious to know how she could have been involved. This is the most confusing part to me because she doesn't give orders.
I don't know enough about Benghazi to have a feeling for what happened. All I really know is that Americans died and people blame Hilary Clinton for it. I'm not sure why/how Hilary Clinton is involved because she is just the Secretary of State and not in the chain of command.
I also feel as if everyone from the soldiers on the ground to the first person in the chain that received the stand down order could have viewed that order as unlawful being that American lives were at risk. That's just me though.
I'm not saying Hilary was or wasn't involved. I'm just curious to know how she could have been involved. This is the most confusing part to me because she doesn't give orders.
There was an earlier post and it wasn't one of Soybeans prouder moments.
The movie is pretty informative - especially to those not understanding all the details of what happened. I would highly recommend it.
First - let's clear a couple things - no soldiers involved - they were CIA contractors. Former Navy Seals and one Army Ranger. 6 guys if I remember right and 2 died. The ones still living all resigned from the CIA never to return.
The standown order if or if not given is not a big deal. The only question is that some think they could have rescued the two that died at the outpost. It's basically a his word vs his word argument but the facts are the CIA head did seem over his head in a lot of ways and the security contractors have a better resume' of service to our country than that guy can ever dream about.
The bigger issues are:
Why the lack of security at the "Diplomatic Outpost"? Reason - we relied on outside security from Libya that fled as soon as the attack came. Our State Dept didn't want US military at the outpost. The facility where the attack started had 2 security people from the US who had little military training.
Why no military help for 13 HOURS? Because their was an election coming up and we wanted our policies in the middle east to look effective. Air support, special ops never got permission to act - thus no stand down for them but they could have made it in time to help.
Why the story about the video leading to a protest causing the attack. Not even close to the truth and known right away.
Hillary is a habitual liar (fact) who should never be given a position of authority and should probably be charged and arrested.
Why would it?
If you don't know enough already to make up your mind about what happened there this is not going change it.
If you don't know enough already to make up your mind about what happened there this is not going change it.
To start, requests (plural) to her department from Ambassador Stevens for more security. He feared for their safety. Requests were denied. Hillary and others have said those requests don't go as high as her, that they are handled by people under her. The supposedly reviewed the requests (again, plural) and denied them.
The British deemed Benghazi too dangerous and pulled their people out.
This next part if after the fact, but nonetheless, relevant to the overall picture of before, during, or after the attack.
Hillary told the parents of the dead contractors (according to the parents) that she, or the Govt, was going to get the guy responsible (the film maker).
Today, Hillary says the families are remembering what she said wrong. One reporter told Hillary that somebody is lying, and she said "it's not me".
The father of one of the dead contractors had a habit of writing things down in his notebook, and when he met with Hillary, he writes that they hugged and she told him they will arrest the guy responsible (the film maker).
Also, what was it like 10 days after the attack, Susan Rice was making her rounds on the Sunday morning talk shows touting it was the video that spawned the attack in Benghazi.
Now we know politicians lie quite often. As far as the "stand down" order foes, I tend to believe the men that ran into the fire, risking their lives to save Americans, more than I would somebody in the middle of his-re-election campaign or anyone in his administration.
