I would also like to add that Cortez has exactly 1 quality win in his collegiate career, and it was by 1 point over a teammate. He has always had talent, but anybody automatically penciling him in for a podium finish is getting ahead of themselves.
2017 NCAA National Championship
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Ayuda, no comprendo.
I'll help you. Last year, Gulibon, McCutcheon and Nevills all missed significant time to injuries and never got back to anything approaching 100%, although Gulibon did look good at the Big 10 tournament. If you saw McC wrestle before the injuries (back and knee) and saw him after, you were looking at two different wrestlers. Nevills didn't get his form back at all last year. Think about the Altons and their shoulder issues, Wade getting hurt at Nationals in 2011, Ruth at Nationals in 2011 (the dead knee probably prevented him from being a four-time champ, btw) ....
The OP did a great job. Nice to have the speculation begin during this lull in the action.
NATO will not be at 125 next year, so that leaves some questions on tOSU at 125. As far as NATO and his post college career, those weight classes are not going to enter into the equation, or be a factor in his college weight. He is focused on winning NCAAs and helping tOSU. Micic is the guy I am most curious about seeing compete next year.
NATO will not be at 125 next year, so that leaves some questions on tOSU at 125. As far as NATO and his post college career, those weight classes are not going to enter into the equation, or be a factor in his college weight. He is focused on winning NCAAs and helping tOSU. Micic is the guy I am most curious about seeing compete next year.
I know what you are saying, but PSU has had injuries affect performance at Nationals to Brad Pataky, Andrew Alton, Dylan Alton, Matt McCutcheon, Cam Wade, and Nick Nevills (plus a bunch of in season injuries) in Cael's 7 seasons. Fortunately, the heavy hitters have been mostly injury free.
Well of course they have, but every team has injuries. I'm refering to injuries that significantly impact a team's performance. For instances in 2012 Matt McDonough scored 27 points at NCAA; due to a shoulder injury he scored 3 points in 2013. Hunter Stieber had an "injury." Matt McCutcheon scored 3.5 points in 2015 and no points in 2016 - not an injury with a great effect on the team performance.
I will take that bet. With that said, nobody has said it would be a cake walk or sure thing for Gman. I only jumped in when you made those false statements about their h2h results.
Yet you don't seem to have a problem with Iowa being projected to get 30 points at Nationals from guys that have scored a total of 0 to date, including 12 from a guy that hasn't even wrestled in college.
No offense, but your definition is totally unclear. It seems to be you determine what qualifies as an "injury" and how it affects a team. For McM and McC, the scoring from a year before seems to be the measure, but that is an extremely fluid standard. To me, an injury that significantly impacts a guy's performance counts as an injury regardless of how many points he scored at Nationals the year before. Say you have a freshman that is ranked #1 going into Nationals and has beaten every top contender and he gets hurt. Under your definition, that doesn't impact his team's performance because he scored 0 at Nationals the year before.
NaTo will do what's best for the team next season so you will see him at 125, if he and Mr Gilman wrestle 3 times next season is say they'd be 1-1 going into the 3rd one, Nate has progressed enough where he won't get dominated and is in the match.
141 was nearly impossible to predict next season and it's only going to get crazier with the new crop of talent coming in on top of what's already there. Don't see Guilibon ever seeing the podium again unless it's at 133. That's not a knock on his skill set but it's no secret the issues he had at 133 but they became more apparent at 141 with his leverage disadvantage
141 was nearly impossible to predict next season and it's only going to get crazier with the new crop of talent coming in on top of what's already there. Don't see Guilibon ever seeing the podium again unless it's at 133. That's not a knock on his skill set but it's no secret the issues he had at 133 but they became more apparent at 141 with his leverage disadvantage
You have no idea how I feel about the projections as a whole. The conversation was on PSU, so I made my comments about being far from convinced that Cortez and Casser are going to live up to certain fans expectations. Instead of actually having a conversation on what I said you attack things that I made no comments on? As far as Kemerer goes, he already has a more impressive college resume than the previously mentioned wrestlers
You apparently don't see the inconsistency. That's ok. It's a peculiar style of thinking - I'm going to comment about this but remain silent about a similar scenario within the same discussion. Then when someone questions, my position, I'm going to say I remained silent about that. Okay...
If you read, you will see that I say Cortez is probably a little overrated by the OP and Cassar is a total wild card. So I already addressed both. I'm addressing your wild inconsistency now.
It does negate the fact that you use an argument about one team that is totally applicable to another and yet ignore the argument when applied to the second.
Unless you are going to say now that Martinelli, Kemmerer and Weigel are untested at the NCAA tournament level also. You could do that. Then you would maintain consistency.
This makes no sense. I'm only inconsistent if I contradict myself. I don't have to write a 5 paragraph response explaining every feeling in my head whenever I make a comment. Yes, there are other things in the rankings that I don't agree with and have no desire to go in depth on
LOL! What prevented him from being a 4 Time Champ was him getting ragdolled and turned every which way but loose by Amuchastegui! He got SMOKED!
I stand corrected. I know they wrestled two years in a row in the finals. I could have swore he dropped a match at either the old Fila juniors or at trials but can't find it.
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Does this mean Cael is overtraining and burning these guys out? How else can you explain the results? Lol
You won't see me post the overtraining/burnout nonsense. Do some kids burn out? Absolutely, but it is an individual thing and not systemic to any program. My own personal view is that some (not all) injuries occur because a wrestler is not at a more appropriate weight and his musculature is not what it should be to support his frame. To my eye, I think guys wrestling down a weight tend to get injured more often than guys who are at their more natural weight. I could be wrong with that observation.
Not disagreeing at all on that, my response was more tongue in cheek at the off mentioned 'burn out' 'overtraining' 'not having fun' propaganda that gets rolled out against Brands and the Hawkeyes.
Just to show how picking a lineup even a year out is dicey. Attached is a link to an instagram photo taken recently of PSU wrestlers Shakur Rasheed, Vincenzo Joseph, and Anthony Cassar in that order. If you can believe it, Rasheed and Joseph both were wrestling 165 about six weeks ago. Joseph looks like a lightweight next to Rasheed. Rasheed looks bigger than our projected 197 on the right! I still think he will fight it out for 184 next year, but looking at that photo, 197 isn't out of the question once he starts working on those legs.
https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/cassar-cenzo-and-shakur.114138/#post-1736967
https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/cassar-cenzo-and-shakur.114138/#post-1736967
Geez now you guys are posting pics of shirtless teenage guys on this board! Come on now some things should stay inhouse. Lol
You're being slightly abused on bwi. Check out the mom and wrestler in the hot tub. Lol.
I think we're officially in silly season over there.
I'm a Hawk fan... but I had an opportunity to talk to the Penn State coaching staff after the 2011 Nationals and Ed Ruth had his knee lock up in the 2011 Quarterfinal match against Amushastegui. Before you start using explanation points to prove your idiocy, please come with some or any facts. I found out the facts from the PSU coaching staff. Having to read your blathering non-sense made me Lol.
What you fail to add is that Ruth came back and destroyed Nick Amuchestagui in the 2012 finals 13-2 validating Ruth's injury. Annihilated Amushestagui, smoked him dude... but you should continue to orgasm all over yourself in your mom's basement before mom checks up on you.
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The word out there is PSU over trains in the room not Iowa (the reasons for the injuries)! Spread the word.
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I didn't fail to add anything "I'm a Hawk fan" (you're a Hawk fan all right LMAO!). You should have started with "I'm a butthurt Penn State Dbag", because it's painfully obvious that's exactly what you are.
I am well aware of what happened in both matches, but the topic was the 1st match. Maybe you understand that, likely you don't.
You found out the "facts" from the Penn State Coaches? LOL! Why didn't you just watch the match like the rest of the world did? The "facts" were as clear as they could possibly be. The tape don't lie. (maybe you want to claim the NCAA altered it - LOL!)
Go to youtube and watch it again. The facts are the same today as they were then.
Ruth got his legs turked, twisted and tied up in every way imaginable. Spent the entire 2nd period getting rode like a rented mule and trying to stay off his back, which he couldn't do. He was down 9-2 going into the 3rd period and he'd had enough. Ruth had choice the 2nd period and chose down. Guess what Amuchastegui was going to pick for his choice in the 3rd period? (Hint - it rhymes with Stop).
He had his knee lock up? Ummmm OK. I don't doubt for a second that Ed Ruth's legs were aching, and his ligaments and everything else had been stretched and torqued, same as thousands of others before him, and much like Ed did to many before and after this match.
He had his ass torqued and tied in a knot in every way imaginable in that match until he got "released" from the slaughter! Those are your facts "Iowa fan".
If its close between the two Turk should get the nod for developmental purposes. Carton will not AA for Iowa next year unless something miraculous happens.
I'm a huge Penn State fan and even I have to agree that it looks like Ruth got wumped there.
His appendage started hurting a lot more after the score got out of hand. It wasn't just the knee that broke in that match. And didn't Ed wrestle back for 3rd? He should get an oscar or emmy or whatever award actors get for his limp off the mat.
You're a douche bag... and Ed Ruth was a 3 time National Champ. Every word you posted in your lame, fall on your face diatribe proves what an ass clown you are.
Again... Ed Ruth was a 3 time National Champ who went 102-2 in his college career. What ever you were trying to prove... tell Mom or the wall. Both would care more than anyone here.
I didn't see anything wrong with his post, and you are a hypocrite. Go away troll.
Blinders and counting others victories in the same post while doing the same yourself. You can't make this stuff up. Bravo to you for taking things to the next level.
Chill dude. This is a Hawks site. Your never going to see an Ed Ruth appreciation thread on here.
And has not been the starter in March, in college, yet, in his entire career.
Won't be this year either, if he stays in Stillwater.
Well you should. I had a thread on Brent Metcalf appreciation, Tony Ramos appreciation, Montell Marion appreciation, and a host of others. The great ones deserve the recognition.
Unless of course it's Dake.
I'm not even a little Penn State fan. I thought it might add some credibility to my post.
