Agreed, what did Warner or Cass do differently from the last 2 losses to Dean and Kerk. If we win, we don't change. If we lose, we don't change. I can understand the don't fix what isn't broken attitude. When you lose multiple close matches to guys that are a little better, you can't narrow the gap by changing nothing. I love TnT and always will, but their stubbornness is also their biggest weakness as coaches imo.
Well planning for individual matches isn't exactly ground breaking in the world of wrestling. But hey we don't worry about what the other guys do. We just worry about getting to our shots.
They just simply have better wrestlers
Warner is sometimes the whipping boy but I think a lot of it is bc he's good enough to be a champion... but he's just so consistently lost the same way. Murin is an overachiever.
Great question. Amazing run with health is one. They never seem to be dinged up.
Murin would murder his freshman self but the rest I probably wouldn't disagree with. Warner would manage to lose to his freshman self via late 3rd period brain cramp.
When Cass and Kerk first wrestled, Cass must have had at least 40 or 50 pounds on him, so Cass was able to physically abuse Kerk. Before the 2021 season, Cass became leaner and more fit to increase his speed and agility to try to beat Steveson, while Kerk grew into the HWT class and seems to have kept growing bigger and bigger. Tonight, I thought Kerk looked much bigger than Cass. So now Kerk is bigger and stronger than Cass, plus Kerk is still quicker and more athletic.
Warner is a 4 time All American at 197 that has improved every season:
Nobody here is questioning hard work and heart. We’re questioning development and strategy. The days of out working your opponents and having more heart are over.
I will give you an example of why I simply cannot understand what goes on inside Warner's head...the dual against Minny and Warner leads by 1 with 5 seconds to go and loses.
Kerk has gotten bigger and stronger in past year. Add that to being quicker than Tony, there is no longer any advantage for Tony.
Sitting here in Ann Arbor after watching this evening made me think… how would Spencer of done under Carl? I do believe he makes great changes, maybe the best coach at teaching how to revenge a loss. This works for some, but this doesn’t work for all wrestlers. I don’t see Spencer wanting to wrestle against someone else’s style. I think TNT helped developed him more than Carl would have for this reason.
cassioppi’s weight loss was the biggest mistake of his career. he will never be as athletic as these guys. when he was big he could compensate with his size advantage. now he has nothing.
I have more respect fo the Brands Bros after watching that for how they dealt with Desanto.
If Spencer would have gone to PSU, Cael would have had a better wrestler at 125. I rest my case.
“when he was big he could compensate with his size (read WEIGHT) advantage. now he has nothing.”
did you have a point numbnuts?
Bono should wear a red nose and big shoes.
Wow, who pissed in your cheerios? And yeah, the point is you should be competitive with your wrestling ability, not by being heavier than your opponent.
You can't argue with the way Tony looks physically; it's very impressive...the transition he made. Very impressive. However, I don't think the transition resulted in him being a better 285 pounder. I liked watching the old version use his weight and skills to dominate all but the top couple opponents. That said, I'm sure that if I'm Tony I like this version of me more than the other. The guy looks like a mini-hulk.
Tell that to Chris Taylor (who apart from his huge weight was very athletic), or Tab Thacker (also an all-around athlete), or Jimmy Jackson, among others. The REALLY large heavyweights of the past definitely had outstanding wrestling skills, but of course they used their weight to great advantage.
I had typed a response, to ask you who Nola is, but before I hit "Post reply" I realized you had failed to read what you had typed before posting. A good practice to follow before hitting post/send -- many times I've spotted embarassing typos, and also changed things that I would have regretted posting.
I think he probably wins multiple titles anywhere he goes, but for his weight and mindset, I can't see anyone better for his development than TnT. Penn State also has a weird black hole at 25 except for Megaludis. Upper weights probably a different story.
Tell that to Cassar, Berge, Shak, Kerk, Nolf, Suriano, Howard, Starroci and RBY. A few (not) all of the guys who missed Bigs//Nationals Tournament time due to injury or wrestled through 'significant' injury and won anyway. I believe both Starroci and RBY had broken hands last year. The bottom line is it isn't always widely known or advertised, but all teams come March have to manage injury.
