26 UI student-athletes are being investigated for online gambling, incl in Wrestling, Men’s Basketball, Football, Baseball, Men’s track & field

[Franisdaman]

Since the info in the tweet below gets cut off:

DeShawn Hanika's new attorney, Van Plumb (also reps Eyioma Uwazurike), says the Cyclone tight end is not interested in a plea deal. Plumb filed a 10-page motion Monday. Not a light read, but among interesting excerpts:

"Counsel has verified… On February 8, 2023, a Dubuque County Prosecutor made application for and was granted authority to issue a subpoena to FanDuel Group requesting account information in regard to 71 GeoComply Usernames, without listing how the usernames were obtained…This date and statement create two problems for the State.

"The first problem is that IAC 13.2(7)(d) requires the Iowa Racing and Gaming Commission be notified promptly of any suspicious activity and Section 13.2(7)(e) requires that they be notified within 72 hours of criminal activity. The Commission responded to an open records request by stating “The Commission does not have any written notifications or reports of this nature prior to May of 2023. The records we do have would have been received after that date and would be considered confidential pursuant to Iowa Code 99F.12(4)”. The fact that the Commission’s license was used to obtain data prior to February 8, 2023, yet no reports were filed until approximately 3 months later is a violation of the code sections sited above.

"The second problem is that on February 8, 2023, an Agent had already obtained 71 GeoComply Usernames yet the first subpoena issued to GeoComply was on May 18, 2023. The Agent had, obviously, already used GeoComply software which meant he/she also had access to location data, customer verification data including facial recognition, data verification, and phone identification verification. The Agent also would have been able to use the GeoComply software to build a GeoFence around targeted areas to obtain date from every citizen within that geographic area.

"A further complicating factor for the State is that the University of Iowa issued a press release on May 2, 2023, 16 days before the first subpoena to GeoComply, that a sports wagering investigation was underway involving 111 individuals, 26 of which were current student athletes. This press release begs the question, if the targeted individuals used someone else’s betting application, how had the Agent identified them prior to issuing a subpoena to GeoComply unless he/she had already been using GeoComply’s software… Also, if the Agent used GeoComply Software for a criminal investigation the Commission would have had to secure written consent from GeoComply prior to such use pursuant to the terms and conditions imposed upon them by GeoComply, yet no written consent has been provided even though it was requested in State v. Uwazerike. In fact, the State has taken the position that they are not required to provide any information as it relates to how the investigation started, how the targets were identified, whether reports or notices were filed with the Commission pursuant to the IAC, verification of the terms of use the Commission was bound by in using GeoComply Software, all subpoenas, or communications related to the investigation."

 

[Franisdaman]

Arland Bruce, Ahron Ulis among four ex-Hawkeyes to plead guilty to reduced underage gambling charge​

Ryan Hansen
Iowa City Press-Citizen
Sep 18, 2023


Four former University of Iowa athletes have pleaded guilty to underage gambling, the latest development in the state’s investigation of collegiate athletes.

The former Hawkeyes include football players Jack Johnson, Arland Bruce IV and Reggie Bracy and basketball player Ahron Ulis.

Each was first charged with tampering with records in early August as part of the state's sports gambling investigation. That charge is an aggravated misdemeanor that could have carried a two-year prison sentence if found guilty. Instead, the tampering charges were dismissed and each of the guilty parties will pay a $645 scheduled fine for underage gambling.

The guilty pleas came less than two weeks after five other athletes, including Iowa State quarterback Hunter Dekkers, also pleaded guilty to underage gambling after initially being charged with tampering with records.

There will not be any additional charges filed against these four athletes or anyone who helped facilitate the underage gambling, according to the pleas.

Under NCAA rules, athletes are permanently ineligible if they are found to have placed wagers on sporting events that involve their school. NCAA gambling rules also stipulate a loss of 50% of eligibility for a single season for betting on another school in the same sport that a student-athlete plays in.

Three of the four Hawkeyes who entered guilty pleas transferred after last season​

Bruce, Bracy and Ulis all transferred from the University of Iowa after last season.

Bruce transferred to Oklahoma State in the spring and did not see game action before allegations of illegal gambling came to light. Oklahoma State football coach Mike Gundy confirmed that Bruce was away from the team in mid-August, weeks before the Cowboys made their season debut.

In the initial complaint, Bruce was said to have placed 18 wagers on 11 Hawkeye football games that he participated in.

Bruce is specifically alleged to have placed two “under” bets in 2022, first in Iowa’s 33-13 victory over Northwestern in October, a game in which Bruce tallied 2 catches for 19 yards and rushed 3 times for 27 yards and a touchdown. It was just the second career touchdown for Bruce in his two years as a Hawkeye. The over/under was set at 37.5 total points.

He also placed an “under” bet in the Hawkeyes’ 21-0 victory over Kentucky in the Music City Bowl this past New Year's Eve but did not participate in the game. The total closed at 31.5 at kickoff.

Bruce used a DraftKings account in his father’s name to place bets. Bruce will turn 21 on Sept. 26.

Bracy, a defensive back, transferred to Troy in the offseason, announcing his intention to leave last December, just days after Bruce. He was also suspended by Troy once charges were brought against him in Johnson County District Court in August.

“Reggie Bracy has been suspended from all team-related activity in response to allegations of his conduct while he was a student-athlete at another institution,” Troy said in a statement. “We will have no further comment at this time.”

Bracy was originally alleged to have shared the DraftKings account registered under Bruce’s father’s name with Bruce. In his guilty plea, he admitted to placing wagers while underage. He turned 21 on Nov. 6, 2022.

Ulis made his way west to Nebraska after his third season with the Hawkeyes. Court documents alleged that Ulis placed more than 430 bets on NCAA football and basketball games, including at least one University of Iowa football game. His wagers allegedly totaled more than $34,800. Ulis turned 21 on Oct. 4, 2022.

Johnson was alleged to have placed around 380 bets totaling over $1,800. He pleaded guilty to the same charges and admitted to placing wagers on a DraftKings account in his mother’s name. He turned 21 on June 15, 2022.

Ryan Hansen covers local government and crime for the Press-Citizen. He can be reached at rhansen@press-citizen.com or on X, formerly known as Twitter, @ryanhansen01.

Bruce, Ulis among four ex-Hawkeyes to plead guilty to reduced underage gambling charge

Four former Hawkeyes — Reggie Bracy, Arland Bruce IV, Jack Johnson and Ahron Ulis were the latest to plead guilty in the state's gambling probe.

www.hawkcentral.com

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Since the info in the tweet below gets cut off:

DeShawn Hanika's new attorney, Van Plumb (also reps Eyioma Uwazurike), says the Cyclone tight end is not interested in a plea deal. Plumb filed a 10-page motion Monday. Not a light read, but among interesting excerpts:

"Counsel has verified… On February 8, 2023, a Dubuque County Prosecutor made application for and was granted authority to issue a subpoena to FanDuel Group requesting account information in regard to 71 GeoComply Usernames, without listing how the usernames were obtained…This date and statement create two problems for the State.

"The first problem is that IAC 13.2(7)(d) requires the Iowa Racing and Gaming Commission be notified promptly of any suspicious activity and Section 13.2(7)(e) requires that they be notified within 72 hours of criminal activity. The Commission responded to an open records request by stating “The Commission does not have any written notifications or reports of this nature prior to May of 2023. The records we do have would have been received after that date and would be considered confidential pursuant to Iowa Code 99F.12(4)”. The fact that the Commission’s license was used to obtain data prior to February 8, 2023, yet no reports were filed until approximately 3 months later is a violation of the code sections sited above.

"The second problem is that on February 8, 2023, an Agent had already obtained 71 GeoComply Usernames yet the first subpoena issued to GeoComply was on May 18, 2023. The Agent had, obviously, already used GeoComply software which meant he/she also had access to location data, customer verification data including facial recognition, data verification, and phone identification verification. The Agent also would have been able to use the GeoComply software to build a GeoFence around targeted areas to obtain date from every citizen within that geographic area.

"A further complicating factor for the State is that the University of Iowa issued a press release on May 2, 2023, 16 days before the first subpoena to GeoComply, that a sports wagering investigation was underway involving 111 individuals, 26 of which were current student athletes. This press release begs the question, if the targeted individuals used someone else’s betting application, how had the Agent identified them prior to issuing a subpoena to GeoComply unless he/she had already been using GeoComply’s software… Also, if the Agent used GeoComply Software for a criminal investigation the Commission would have had to secure written consent from GeoComply prior to such use pursuant to the terms and conditions imposed upon them by GeoComply, yet no written consent has been provided even though it was requested in State v. Uwazerike. In fact, the State has taken the position that they are not required to provide any information as it relates to how the investigation started, how the targets were identified, whether reports or notices were filed with the Commission pursuant to the IAC, verification of the terms of use the Commission was bound by in using GeoComply Software, all subpoenas, or communications related to the investigation."

Welp that settles it. Reinstate all the players!

 

[OILCHECKER]

Welp that settles it. Reinstate all the players!

Legal case has nothing to do with the ncaa

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Legal case has nothing to do with the ncaa

Welp, that settles it. Reinstate all the players!!!

 

[tigerguy_]

This thing has been a comedy of errors for the State of Iowa. The taxpayers are going to pay out a helluva lot more in damages to these guys than the handful of $645 fines they have collected so far is my guess

 

[AFHawk86]

This thing has been a comedy of errors for the State of Iowa. The taxpayers are going to pay out a helluva lot more in damages to these guys than the handful of $645 fines they have collected so far is my guess

You’re prolly right. The thing many of us would like to understand is why there was selective targeting. Seems like someone had an agenda but I can’t think of a logical reason.

 

[12tdsaw]

nerd who got picked on by jocks

 

[Franisdaman]

In case the quote gets cut off:

Iowa football player Jermari Harris on his 2 game suspension due to involvement in gambling investigation:

“A situation that I deeply regret. It was a mistake that I made. I have acknowledged it and trying to move forward. Learn from any lesson, every lesson. It was a mistake. In my --- well, today makes 23 years --- 23 years of life, I’ve made plenty of mistakes. I’m sure I will make a lot more. But the key is acknowledging it and finding a way to be better.”

 

[bluroptimo]

Privacy isn’t what it used to be. When it comes to this story I’m more interested in how geo surveillance led to pin pointing athlete betting. Is that you dressed up as Big Tech, Big Brother?

 

[jneffer]

Privacy isn’t what it used to be. When it comes to this story I’m more interested in how geo surveillance led to pin pointing athlete betting. Is that you dressed up as Big Tech, Big Brother?

this isn't a secret or a conspiracy

a smart phone can be geolocated to within 30' if not closer...how do you think apps that give directions work?

if you're carrying a smart phone and complaining about lack of privacy - you're an idiot

 

[bluroptimo]

this isn't a secret or a conspiracy

a smart phone can be geolocated to within 30' if not closer...how do you think apps that give directions work?

if you're carrying a smart phone and complaining about lack of privacy - you're an idiot

It’s a lot closer than 30’. At one point decisions were made to be less specific than the couple of inches it could be.

And you’d be an idiot for not realizing this is “when” you question the lack of privacy that comes with owning a smartphone. This case is as much about the surveillance state that is big tech as it is anything else.

 

[tigerguy_]

This case is as much about the surveillance state that is big tech as it is anything else.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[jneffer]

It’s a lot closer than 30’. At one point decisions were made to be less specific than the couple of inches it could be.

And you’d be an idiot for not realizing this is “when” you question the lack of privacy that comes with owning a smartphone. This case is as much about the surveillance state that is big tech as it is anything else.

the surveillance state that anyone who is betting with their phone has willingly signed up for

i agree its not good...but don't act surprised

 

[bluroptimo]

Maybe a little surprised this wasn’t brought up already. But yeah, time to have “the conversation.”

 

[Franisdaman]

Nelson Brands in a now deleted thread regarding the gambling situation:

 

[Chuck C]

That’s a lot of betting for only $195 deposit.

I could see a couple match suspension, but ending someone’s career over it seems excessive IMO.

 

[tigerguy_]

Ncaa has Zero tolerance for betting on any sport from your school. Which makes one of the wrestlers being done forever for placing one $25 bet, his only bet ever, on the isu-iowa football game even more ridiculous than brand’s being done

 

[jneffer]

Nelson Brands in a now deleted thread regarding the gambling situation:

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i guess he shouldn't have missed that meeting

 

[tiltman]

Those tweets from Brands make me feel even less sorry for him. Wants to say he missed the meeting yet knew what he did was wrong; so don’t try to blame missing the meeting. He never should’ve posted any of that. Looks like a fool even more.

 

[PSU Mike]

He sort of turned his situation into a PSA, whether intended or not. I can respect that.

 

[manatree]

He sort of turned his situation into a PSA, whether intended or not. I can respect that.

Betting the under on Iowa Football is a solid PSA.

 

[HawkeyePA]

as an educator and coach I always tried to teach kids honesty and the importance of being forthright . In today's society these are vanishing traits and should be valued and taught repeatedly so they become commonplace in these young athlete's lives. I believe these kids did wrong and should be punished but the punishment does NOT fit the level of the infraction. Maybe a class of remediation or community service and a multi event suspension would better fit the situation but a permanent ending ??? I don't imagine the NCAA will want to check the female teams or perhaps the other college teams in the Big Ten for the exact same violations because the number of kids doing the exact same thing would probably be astonishing. The NCAA is a multimillion dollar corporation who can hand out fines and violations but the NCAA is NOT a legal or law enforcement entity. I am interested in seeing if the lawsuits that will inevitably be coming will have any effect on future NCAA investigations.

 

[mgogel]

Some of you are too close to the trees to see the forest. Whether the rules are a certain way and whether the guys knew the potential penalties does nothing to alleviate the injustice. Kids are being banned from NCAA for life over a few hundred dollars (some less as noted above). Other coaches and kids have participated amid drunk driving convictions, rape settlements, plea deals for assault, etc. We can only hope that the sins of the people casting stones in this thread will be revealed and made public. The most important thing in the world is not compliance.

 

[Nashville_Hawkeye]

Part 3:

Sanderson laid the foundation for a dynasty during the 2009-10 season. Practices were so hard that wrestlers stayed only if they loved the sport or were on scholarship, Wright said. Wright was one of many to redshirt during Sanderson’s first year.

David Taylor, the prized Iowa State commit, followed Sanderson to Penn State, yet another dagger for Cyclones fans. At Penn State, Taylor won two national titles and twice claimed the Dan Hodge Trophy, awarded to the nation’s top collegiate wrestler.

Many on the search committee watched in disbelief in 2011 as Sanderson’s Penn State team won its first national title. The team celebrated with a pizza party and Mountain Dew, Sanderson’s victory drink of choice.

“I thought he was going to be successful, I really did, but I never dreamed this successful,” Lubert said. “I just thought he needed two or three years to get his type of student-athlete at Penn State and to develop them.”
Penn State at NCAAs under Sanderson

YEAR	TEAM NCAAS	NATIONAL CHAMPS
2010	9th	0
2011	1st	1
2012	1st	3
2013	1st	2
2014	1st	2
2015	6th	1
2016	1st	2
2017	1st	5
2018	1st	4
2019	1st	3
2020	N/A	N/A
2021	2nd	4
2022	1st	5

---

Nine championships later, Sanderson knows better than most how to navigate this critical stretch as external pressure mounts heading into the 2023 NCAA Championships.
This is when many tune in to see if Penn State can win again. It’s where new faces are added to the wall of All-America honorees and legacies are made.
“Our job is to take pressure off them and not put it on,” said Sanderson, who signed a contract extension — with details undisclosed — in 2022. “Everybody feels pressure. Coaches, if you start talking about results, I’m sitting in the corner just like everybody sitting in the stands. It’s like, ‘What can I do to help them?’ … You have to have the right mindset, the right positive energy, believe in them and just let them do their thing.”
As his wrestlers prepped for another Big Ten championship run, 40-plus blue and white star-shaped balloons were tethered to the railing of the Lorenzo Wrestling Complex on a recent afternoon. The balloons were there by design, a reminder from Sanderson that this time of year is supposed to be a celebration. There was child-like amusement with this display. Some of the wrestlers looked at their reflections in the shiny balloons.
They insist Sanderson is a bigger goofball than many outside the program realize.
“That’s part of his brilliance,” Wright said. “Cael is very smart. He has this facade where he’s kind of quiet, he’s mysterious, but he’s very thoughtful and purposeful with everything that he does.”

Sanderson once presented Wright with a handwritten piece of paper that read “1 Free Get Off My Back Card.” Sanderson signed it and claimed it was redeemable whenever. Wright never cashed it in.

Wright still has a copy of the book Sanderson gave him when he needed a pick-me-up. It was titled “How to be Totally Miserable: A Self-Hinder Book.” The massive frowning-face emoji on the cover made Wright laugh. When stress levels get high, Sanderson will give his wrestlers wads of bubble gum to chew. They once gathered to watch “The Lion King” as the university was bursting at the seams in the fall of 2011 amid the Jerry Sandusky scandal.

“No one seems to be able to copy him either and say, let’s do everything Cael Sanderson does,” said Rich Lorenzo, who wrestled at Penn State in the late ’60s and was Penn State’s head coach from 1978 through 1992. “You can’t get the personality and the commitment and the sincerity of the guy. … I’m in love with him.”

On that day earlier this winter, wrestlers whipped dodgeballs before practice began. Taylor, the 2021 Olympic gold medalist, was among the faces in the crowd. In 2010, shortly after Sanderson’s arrival, Penn State was designated as an Olympic Regional Training Center. It’s common to see some of the best wrestlers in the world rolling around in this room with the star-studded collegiate wrestlers. Sanderson is always in the mix too.
https://theathletic.com/4296095/2023/03/10/penn-state-micah-shrewsberry-coach-basketball/
The Nittany Lion Wrestling Club, which operates separately from Penn State with funding from donations, has a resident athlete program that’s helped Penn State become a training ground for Olympic hopefuls. Many Penn State wrestlers matriculate to the NLWC.

All of it was part of Sanderson’s plan. But when he stepped in the room in Des Moines and calmly yet confidently sold a group of strangers on what Penn State wrestling could become, even he couldn’t have visualized all of this.
“Some of the results that these guys have had in the past and the program, it’s hard to explain,” Sanderson said. “It’s not something that we can predict. We’re just going to keep giving our best effort every time.”
(Top illustration: Sean Reilly / The Athletic; photos: Donald Miralle and Hunter Martin / Getty Images)

Audrey Snyder has covered Penn State since 2012 for various outlets, including The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, The Patriot-News and DKPittsburghSports. Snyder is an active member of the Association for Women in Sports Media (AWSM) and is the professional adviser for Penn State’s student chapter. Follow Audrey on Twitter @audsnyder4

Great read...thank you!

 

[Nashville_Hawkeye]

This thing has been a comedy of errors for the State of Iowa. The taxpayers are going to pay out a helluva lot more in damages to these guys than the handful of $645 fines they have collected so far is my guess

I bet you are right my friend...a whole lot more!

 

[T8KUDWN]

i guess he shouldn't have missed that meeting

Don't you have someone else to be a pain in the ass towards then here?
Wouldn't bother me a bit if you quit posting here forever.

 

[Nashville_Hawkeye]

as an educator and coach I always tried to teach kids honesty and the importance of being forthright . In today's society these are vanishing traits and should be valued and taught repeatedly so they become commonplace in these young athlete's lives. I believe these kids did wrong and should be punished but the punishment does NOT fit the level of the infraction. Maybe a class of remediation or community service and a multi event suspension would better fit the situation but a permanent ending ??? I don't imagine the NCAA will want to check the female teams or perhaps the other college teams in the Big Ten for the exact same violations because the number of kids doing the exact same thing would probably be astonishing. The NCAA is a multimillion dollar corporation who can hand out fines and violations but the NCAA is NOT a legal or law enforcement entity. I am interested in seeing if the lawsuits that will inevitably be coming will have any effect on future NCAA investigations.

The NCAA is a multi-billion dollar corporation. Per ESPN, in 2021 alone they earned $1.15 billion. That's a lot of cheese to spend on legal fees...

 

[Franisdaman]

That’s a lot of betting for only $195 deposit.

I could see a couple match suspension, but ending someone’s career over it seems excessive IMO.

Agreed. However, football player Noah Shannon's appeal was denied (he, too, bet on an Iowa team other than his own). Unfortunately, betting on an Iowa team is going to give Nelson (and the other 3 wrestlers) the same fate as Noah Shannon.

 

[Franisdaman]

i guess he shouldn't have missed that meeting

Nelson is a redshirt senior. He states he missed the meeting in 2022 but you know that "YOU CANNOT GAMBLE" has been beaten into his and other student athletes' heads over and over.

He then states that he had no clue that he could be permanently banned by betting on Iowa football games (which he did 6 times).

Then he does a 180 and states that he did realize that he was committing NCAA violations, but he didn't understand the repercussions?

I can see why he took down the posts. I am sure his dad and uncle (among others) insisted.

 

[Franisdaman]

as an educator and coach I always tried to teach kids honesty and the importance of being forthright . In today's society these are vanishing traits and should be valued and taught repeatedly so they become commonplace in these young athlete's lives. I believe these kids did wrong and should be punished but the punishment does NOT fit the level of the infraction. Maybe a class of remediation or community service and a multi event suspension would better fit the situation but a permanent ending ??? I don't imagine the NCAA will want to check the female teams or perhaps the other college teams in the Big Ten for the exact same violations because the number of kids doing the exact same thing would probably be astonishing. The NCAA is a multimillion dollar corporation who can hand out fines and violations but the NCAA is NOT a legal or law enforcement entity. I am interested in seeing if the lawsuits that will inevitably be coming will have any effect on future NCAA investigations.

I totally agree that the punishment is pretty severe. But don't you think those that got caught knew the consequences and went ahead and placed bets any way simply because they thought there was no way they'd get caught?

Unfortunately, I think the NCAA is fine with letting the rest of the country know that gambling won't be tolerated and that the consequences will be severe.

 

[T8KUDWN]

Nelson is a redshirt senior. He states he missed the meeting in 2022 but you know that "YOU CANNOT GAMBLE" has been beaten into his and other student athletes' heads over and over.

He then states that he had no clue that he could be permanently banned by betting on Iowa football games (which he did 6 times).

Then he does a 180 and states that he did realize that he was committing NCAA violations, but he didn't understand the repercussions?

I can see why he took down the posts. I am sure his dad and uncle (among others) insisted.

Not really a 180.
I'm pretty certain Nelson was saying he did not know the level of repercussions. Knew there was a chance he could get in some trouble but never thought it would be a full year suspension.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

as an educator and coach I always tried to teach kids honesty and the importance of being forthright . In today's society these are vanishing traits and should be valued and taught repeatedly so they become commonplace in these young athlete's lives. I believe these kids did wrong and should be punished but the punishment does NOT fit the level of the infraction. Maybe a class of remediation or community service and a multi event suspension would better fit the situation but a permanent ending ??? I don't imagine the NCAA will want to check the female teams or perhaps the other college teams in the Big Ten for the exact same violations because the number of kids doing the exact same thing would probably be astonishing. The NCAA is a multimillion dollar corporation who can hand out fines and violations but the NCAA is NOT a legal or law enforcement entity. I am interested in seeing if the lawsuits that will inevitably be coming will have any effect on future NCAA investigations.

What is legal and what is a rule are not one in the same.

 

[tigerguy_]

Not really a 180.
I'm pretty certain Nelson was saying he did not know the level of repercussions. Knew there was a chance he could get in some trouble but never thought it would be a full year suspension.

 

[Steevo36]

Not really a 180.
I'm pretty certain Nelson was saying he did not know the level of repercussions. Knew there was a chance he could get in some trouble but never thought it would be a full year suspension.

It's worse. He's banned from the ncaa

 

[vhsalum]

Mommy. Daddy. I didn't think I'd get caught.

 

[LIV4GOD]

I totally agree that the punishment is pretty severe. But don't you think those that got caught knew the consequences . . .

No, I suspect they didn't know the severity of the consequences.

 

[vhsalum]

No, I suspect they didn't know the severity of the consequences.

They did.

Well, unless you “missed the meeting”

🙄

 

[HawkeyeMass]

They did.

Well, unless you “missed the meeting”

🙄

Whether or not, he knew the exact consequences is arbitrary. He knew the rule. I remember my freshman compliance meeting with Fred Mims. I can tell you I walked out of there, not necessarily knowing the full extent of the consequences, but I can certainly tell you I knew what was against the rules and scared shitless to break one of them. The only consequence I was concerned about, was having to explain myself to Fred.

 

[el dub]

I think the chart is backwards. Maybe the athletes in question could use that argument? This chart has “find out,” on the vertical axis. But obviously, if you miss compliance meeting, “f*ucking around,” came first.