More likely, he did not think he would get caught.
26 UI student-athletes are being investigated for online gambling, incl in Wrestling, Men’s Basketball, Football, Baseball, Men’s track & field
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don't need inside information to make that bet, but you know in the 2000s iowa leads this seris
Skipping the compliance meeting was a no-brainer.
Has to be, right? Because there’s no way this is that confusing to anyone who doesn’t regularity eat glue.
and he likely wouldn't have gotten caught if not (according to rumor) for the mother of an Iowa baseball player reporting her account got hacked when it was her Hawkeye student athlete son placing the bets.
I had to look it up. Iowa legalized sports gambling Aug 15, 2019. At first, people had to register at one of Iowa's 19 licensed casinos, but since 2021, registration may be done online.
The annual meeting is mandatory so he probably had to make it up in some form or another.
So, as I stated before, he can claim ignorance of the consequences, but I don't buy it.
And, yes, at the same time, I feel that this totally sucks for him, the team and the fans. Unfortunately, the NCAA doesn't care about anybody's feelings.
I also feel bad for everyone involved.
I still would like to know the timeline of how this all went down.
An investigation of the DCI investigation (and full transparency) needs to be done.
Yes. What is the dci investigating? Humans over 21 are legal to gamble. I want to know what law has been broken.
Using certain performance enhancing drugs is legal, but not allowable by the NCAA. The same applies for gambling.
Yea and the ncaa applies the tests not the dci. Apples to tuna bud.
Good question for those over 21, unless they were betting under someone else’s name or created an alias. Assad, Brands, Cass, Kennedy, Schriever and Siebrecht were all 21 or over in 2023. Were any of them charged criminally?
Who administers the test is irrelevant. The point is there are certain things that are legal, but not permissible by the NCAA.
Here is another example: It would be legal for Iowa to hand out 15.0 scholarships, but the NCAA only allows D1 schools with up to 9.9 wrestling scholarships.
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If it is legal there are no grounds for an investigation.
While I too wonder how this all got going, there are plenty of things that are perfectly legal by law and yet restricted via the rules of an organization.
Institutions have to self-report to the NCAA. Doesn't matter if the athlete is 17 or 25 years old, it's a NCAA violation to gamble while you are eligible to compete.
I agree. And NCAA is a good example of such an organization.
But it doesn’t look good for the NCAA to be enforcing penalties with evidence that was obtained under questionable circumstances.
Couple that with the NCAA’s inability to control the money flow around NCAA sports the last ten years; their laughable drug testing policy, and I think this crackdown of theirs is yet another example of them fumbling responsibility and looking disorganized.
Maybe the chain of evidence gathering checks all the legal boxes, they should share that info otherwise it looks like they’re using “surveillance State” technology to impose their rule.
So...you're calling him a liar?Lets just stick to gambling, ok? He's been in the program for 5 years and you honestly think he didn't realize the consequences?
And don't forget that before May, 2023, the consequences were much more severe, and Nelson would have known this, too. For example, it used to be if you bet on ANY SPORT at ANY LEVEL (college, pro, etc) where the NCAA sponsors a championship, you got a one year ban. Well, Nelson admits in his tweets to betting on NFL games, college football games, MLB games, college basketball games and overseas tennis matches. The NCAA sponsors championships in all of these sports, of course.
So, no, I don't buy him claiming ignorance on the issue.
And what follows, again, is what he wrote. Do you agree with Nelson when he said it was a "no brainer" to gamble when he's been told OVER AND OVER to not do it because there will be serious consequences if he did? Or, do you think he should have used his brain and simply refrained from gambling until his college eligibility was up?
You gave me all his tweets he wrote as support for your argument (saying he knew it was wrong)...the ONLY piece in there you say he is lying about is where he didn't know the full consequences.
It's actually what he said...he did sign it & know it was wrong to do what he was doing...he just didn't fully pay attention to the consequences.
I'm not arguing that he should have known or not...because, yes, he should have paid attention better to the consequences...but I do believe him that he didn't realize this would be the end.
Unfortunately... these Iowa athletes (& the ISU athletes) are going to be the "wake up call" for all kids/schools to make sure they do pay better attention.
I am afraid the DCI started making a list of every male Iowa & Iowa State student athlete involved from the 5 sports programs and turned the entire lists over to the the UI and Iowa State.
Again, just guessing here. As I said before: there should be a timeline provided on how this all went down and the DCI should be asked questions & provide full transparency regarding what they did, when they did it, who they excluded & why, etc.
He's been in the program for 5 years. He's been told over and over again that you can't gamble until your eligibility is up and if you do, there will be serious consequences. He was told what those serious consequences were. Would you agree to all of this or did the University of Iowa fail him?
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* Nelson blames missing the compliance meeting in 2022 for having "no clue" that he could be permanently banned. Note that these meetings are mandatory so he would have had to eventually make up this meeting.
* Nelson said it was a "no brainer" to gamble.
I simply don't think him claiming ignorance on the issue was ever a good strategy. I have no idea what Nelson was trying to accomplish when he tweeted all of that information out. I am sure his parents and Tom Brands didn't either and that's why it all got deleted.
I think he actually realized the consequences and simply thought he wouldn't be caught. And as I mentioned before, before May, 2023, the consequences were much more severe, and Nelson would have/SHOULD HAVE known this, too. For example, it used to be if you bet on ANY SPORT at ANY LEVEL (college, pro, etc) where the NCAA sponsors a championship, you got a one year ban. Well, Nelson admits in his tweets to betting on NFL games, college football games (including Iowa games), MLB games, college basketball games and overseas tennis matches. The NCAA sponsors championships in all of these sports, of course.
The key word here is should. No way we get full transparency until there is a court case.
You either don't know or don't care that it was discovered athletes were betting on their own games. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
Interesting that Big Tone posted recent wrestling photo shoot pictures on Instagram. Is there a decent chance his career is not over?
It depends on which career you are asking about. College or International?
It is interesting that he recently posted these pictures though??
Appeals haven't been heard until then you gotta go about things like you're competing.
To just another of the millions of reasons to hate government and its cronies.
So wrestlers bet on their own matches? That's new to me.
Two years ago my homeowner's insurance went up nearly 40% for no reason, so I got my agent to shop some other companies for me, and the company she landed on required both my wife and I to put an app on our phone that did this for 90 days to get their discounted rate, in spite of the fact that we both had clean records. I still set my cruise at 7-8 over on the highway most of the time and it didn't ding me for that. It did, however record if I went 10 over making a pass on a two-lane highway, or my phone falling out of the holder while I was driving, or braking when an idiot pulled into my lane without looking on I-80. In the end, we scored very high anyway, and still got the discount. I told my agent I'd never do it again though.
homeowners insurance made you use a driving app? Were they afraid you would drive through the garage?
Good one.
We bundle our car/ home because the discount to do so is substantial with most companies, so their greed on our house cost them our vehicle insurance as well. I guess I was remiss in pointing that out because I assumed that was a common practice. I realize you were making a joke and I didn't need to reply, but I did anyway.
I knew, but had just driven through town, having to slam on brakes a few times to avoid smashing idiotic drivers. So, I took out my frustrations on you, knowing you had a sense of humor.
Potentially great news for Iowa wrestlers! Looks like it could be done by the end of the month.
