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Aidan Shaw Decommits from Missouri. 4 Star Small Forward. #58 Overall Ranked Prospect in 2022 Class

Recruiting over all your players after you sold them on a specific pathway to playing time out of high school isn’t sustainable if you want to build a program that is successful on a consistent basis… especially now that every single team is utilizing the transfer portal

You can agree or disagree with the methodology, but Fran seems to believe that getting his guys out of high school, giving them the opportunity to develop in the program, promoting stability, and only using the portal to fill glaring holes is a better option than a revolving door of players
I agree with this completely.

That said, we’ve also now lost 4 of our “developmental” players to the portal over the last 2 years (along with 2 early defections to the NBA draft). If you’re going to be a developmental program, you’ve got to hang on to the players you are developing.
 
I agree with this completely.

That said, we’ve also now lost 4 of our “developmental” players to the portal over the last 2 years (along with 2 early defections to the NBA draft). If you’re going to be a developmental program, you’ve got to hang on to the players you are developing.
Really?
 
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I agree with this completely.

That said, we’ve also now lost 4 of our “developmental” players to the portal over the last 2 years (along with 2 early defections to the NBA draft). If you’re going to be a developmental program, you’ve got to hang on to the players you are developing.
Yeah with the portal, it’s tougher than ever to hang on to players

Fran did utilize it to replace Nunge with Rebraca, Fredrick with a grad transfer equivalent in Bohannon (even though Perkins ended up being the replacement), and is actively talking to multiple bigs in the portal to replace Ogundele. Jury’s still out on how he plans to fill the point guard hole (or if Ulis/Bowen will)

As far as losing players to the league, that’s usually a good problem to have. Iowa just hasn’t been able to parlay them into the tournament run we all want unfortunately
 
That may all be true, but Iowa needs all the talent it can get.

I agree with you but I also think 1) it’s a tough sell to Shaw with 2.5 (Kris can play the three in bigger lineups) 3’s on the roster and 2) it’s a dangerous game to recruit over existing quality contributors (especially a potential all-time three point shooter in Sandfort, who has a potentially even more talented younger brother that is currently weighing his college options)

I’m not disagreeing with you or siding with Fran, especially since Shaw looks like a guy with ridiculous upside, just trying to think of some reasons for not reaching out


I agree with this completely.

That said, we’ve also now lost 4 of our “developmental” players to the portal over the last 2 years (along with 2 early defections to the NBA draft). If you’re going to be a developmental program, you’ve got to hang on to the players you are developing.


Uno, you wrote it is a dangerous game to recruit over existing quality contributors. Lumas, you said you agreed completely. I guess I don't follow the logic on this, especially based on the timeline of his recruitment.

Fran clearly wanted Aidan and invested enough time in him where IOWA made Aidan's Top 6. Did either of you 6 short months ago (Sep, 2021, when he committed) think it was a dangerous game in recruiting him or were you excited that we might be able to add this unique talent to the roster? So, why, just 6 months later, would it be a dangerous game to contact Aidan? Nothing really has changed, after all, with the exception of now having 3 available scholarships.

As a side note: Aidan visited Iowa just 9 months ago; I also did not hear anyone saying we should back off on Adian in order to not recruit over existing players.


The timeline of Aidan's recruitment:

Iowa offered Aidan on Oct 25, 2019.

He visited Iowa on June 22-23, 2021.

We made his Top 6 (IOWA, Missouri, Kansas, Arkansas, Oklahoma State, Maryland)

He committed to Missouri just 6 months ago, on Sep 17, 2021.



And @BlackNGoldBleeder , I agree with you. If Iowa fans want to make a Final 4 for the first time in 43 years then we need more 4 star talent like Aidan.


Here is the Starting 5 of this year's Final 4 (Coming out of High school):


Villanova (4 FOUR Stars, 1 THREE Star)

Kansas (4 FOUR Stars, 1 THREE Star)

UNC (2 FIVE Stars, 2 FOUR Stars, 1 THREE Star)

Duke (5 FIVE Stars)


Compare the above talent to:

IOWA (1 FOUR Star, 3 THREE Stars, 1 TWO Star)
 
With Shaw's level of talent and a relationship already established my thought is because of how it ended the first time around.
I guess it depends “how it ended the first time around.” When it comes to recruiting, it’s a crapshoot. If there are red flags and serious concerns about character or team chemistry or whatever, I trust Fran’s judgment. I’m not implying anything about Shaw, because I have no idea obviously, I’m just wondering what the reason would be not to at least make a phone call. Again, I’m just curious, especially since Fran recruited this kid before. I guess we’ll likely never know.
 
Uno, you wrote it is a dangerous game to recruit over existing quality contributors. Lumas, you said you agreed completely. I guess I don't follow the logic on this, especially based on the timeline of his recruitment.

Fran clearly wanted Aidan and invested enough time in him where IOWA made Aidan's Top 6. Did either of you 6 short months ago (Sep, 2021, when he committed) think it was a dangerous game in recruiting him or were you excited that we might be able to add this unique talent to the roster? So, why, just 6 months later, would it be a dangerous game to contact Aidan? Nothing really has changed, after all, with the exception of now having 3 available scholarships.

As a side note: Aidan visited Iowa just 9 months ago; I also did not hear anyone saying we should back off on Adian in order to not recruit over existing players.


The timeline of Aidan's recruitment:

Iowa offered Aidan on Oct 25, 2019.

He visited Iowa on June 22-23, 2021.

We made his Top 6 (IOWA, Missouri, Kansas, Arkansas, Oklahoma State, Maryland)

He committed to Missouri just 6 months ago, on Sep 17, 2021.



And @BlackNGoldBleeder , I agree with you. If Iowa fans want to make a Final 4 for the first time in 43 years then we need more 4 star talent like Aidan.


Here is the Starting 5 of this year's Final 4 (Coming out of High school):

Villanova (4 FOUR Stars, 1 THREE Star)

Kansas (4 FOUR Stars, 1 THREE Star)

UNC (2 FIVE Stars, 2 FOUR Stars, 1 THREE Star)

Duke (5 FIVE Stars)


Compare the above talent to:

IOWA (1 FOUR Star, 3 THREE Stars, 1 TWO Star)
The post I agreed with was regarding the overall philosophy of how to utilize the portal in a developmental program, and the potential pitfalls of creating a revolving door situation.

I’ve got no problem recruiting Aiden Shaw. (He’s not even a portal player … he’s still in high school.
 
Not what was posted. So you are sharing info from the paid site? Thanks. If not, GFY.
So just some poster?

Right.
Try and keep up with....yourself?

It was a one sentence post in the lounge that applied to this convo about information coming from the lounge, and you said "so just some poster" to which I replied it was not.

There's literally no need for this Shaw to Iowa hype train to continue, and that information should hopefully make this thread fade away.
 
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Try and keep up with....yourself?

It was a one sentence post in the lounge that applied to this convo about information coming from the lounge, and you said "so just some poster" to which I replied it was not.

There's literally no need for this Shaw to Iowa hype train to continue, and that information should hopefully make this thread fade away.
This is the post I responded to:
A beat writer from another site spoke with Shaw today and he said Iowa hasn't reached out since his decommitment
Blair is not a beat writer from another site, is he?
 
This is the post I responded to:

Blair is not a beat writer from another site, is he?
um, no:

Lounge?


that's the post where it is stated just another poster and you clearly replied to one citing the Lounge. 8 minutes after the linked post is when you went on your GOTCHA quest. Just give it up/a rest.
 
Try and keep up with....yourself?

It was a one sentence post in the lounge that applied to this convo about information coming from the lounge, and you said "so just some poster" to which I replied it was not.

There's literally no need for this Shaw to Iowa hype train to continue, and that information should hopefully make this thread fade away.
Iowa has not contacted Shaw so their is no reason for any more discussion about him!
 
The post I agreed with was regarding the overall philosophy of how to utilize the portal in a developmental program, and the potential pitfalls of creating a revolving door situation.

I’ve got no problem recruiting Aiden Shaw. (He’s not even a portal player … he’s still in high school.



Agreed. Aidan is still a high school player and is not even a portal player.

Nevertheless, Uno said in his post that he was trying to think of some reasons for Fran not reaching out to Aidan now and said one reason might be that it is a dangerous game to recruit over existing quality contributors. You then replied to his post, saying "I agree with this completely."

I just found it an odd exchange because Fran was all in no Aidan and Aidan committed to Missouri just a short while ago, on Sep 17, 2021. If Fran was not afraid of recruiting over existing quality contributors 6 months ago (by adding Aidan) then I don't see how this would be an issue now. After all, Fran knew he would be losing Keegan so adding Aidan, a 4 star forward, would be ideal.
 
Agreed. Aidan is still a high school player and is not even a portal player.

Nevertheless, Uno said in his post that he was trying to think of some reasons for Fran not reaching out to Aidan now and said one reason might be that it is a dangerous game to recruit over existing quality contributors. You then replied to his post, saying "I agree with this completely."

I just found it an odd exchange because Fran was all in no Aidan and Aidan committed to Missouri just a short while ago, on Sep 17, 2021. If Fran was not afraid of recruiting over existing quality contributors 6 months ago (by adding Aidan) then I don't see how this would be an issue now. After all, Fran knew he would be losing Keegan so adding Aidan, a 4 star forward, would be ideal.
6 months is a long time in the recruiting world. Relationships in different classes have changed, players developed, and Fran may no longer feel the team has the same needs as he did “six short months ago”

Also, Aidan at 180 pounds playing the 4 is not the same as Keegan at 220 playing the 4. Aidan is a 3, the same position as Pat
 
6 months is a long time in the recruiting world. Relationships in different classes have changed, players developed, and Fran may no longer feel the team has the same needs as he did “six short months ago”

Also, Aidan at 180 pounds playing the 4 is not the same as Keegan at 220 playing the 4. Aidan is a 3, the same position as Pat
Which tells us all you need to know.
 
6 months is a long time in the recruiting world. Relationships in different classes have changed, players developed, and Fran may no longer feel the team has the same needs as he did “six short months ago”

Also, Aidan at 180 pounds playing the 4 is not the same as Keegan at 220 playing the 4. Aidan is a 3, the same position as Pat

6 months is a long time when it comes to Aiden? According to who? You?

Sure, things have changed for Iowa in the last 6 months; we went from only having ONE scholarship available to having THREE available.

And now you write that Fran may no longer feel the team has the same needs for a player like Aiden. Seriously? I know you have watched his tape and how you could come to that conclusion is mind boggling.

And again, in your prior post, you said that you were trying to think of some reasons for Fran not reaching out to Aidan. It's pretty clear that you INCORRECTLY said one reason might be that it is a dangerous game to recruit over existing quality contributors. If Fran was not afraid of recruiting over existing quality contributors 6 months ago (by adding Aidan) then I don't see how this would be an issue now.

And I never said Aidan would play the 4 coming right out of high school. What I did say is that Fran knew he would be losing Keegan so adding Aidan, a 4 star forward, would be ideal.

After all, as they were about to start college, Keegan's and Aidan's profiles look very similar. But, obviously, Keegan was coming out of an additional year of prep school and Aidan is coming right out of high school (Keegan was a year older yet weighed 10 lbs less).

As they were about to enter college:

Keegan:.....6'8, 180 lb Small Forward
Aidan:..... 6'8", 190 lb Small Forward



 

From DM Register April 1st:

Recruiting Mailbag: Is Iowa recruiting Aidan Shaw? Iowa State transfer portal targets; Xavier Foster to Drake?​

Is Iowa recruiting Aidan Shaw?​

As of Thursday at 9:24 a.m. Central Time, when four-star Kansas wing Aidan Shaw sent me a message on Twitter, no, Iowa was not recruiting him and had not reached out to him since he was released from his NLI with Missouri on March 17.

"As of yet no," he wrote.

Iowa made the final five for the rangy 6-foot-8 small forward alongside Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma State and Maryland. Shaw officially visited all five schools in June and committed to Cuonzo Martin's Tigers in September, but reopened his recruitment after Martin was fired following the season.

It makes sense why Hawkeye fans would ask about Shaw. You got close to a top-60 national talent in the summer, so why not take another swing now that he's back on the market? Especially since he's built in the mold of Keegan Murray, and Iowa did pretty dang well with him.

Just because Shaw said Iowa hasn't reached out yet doesn't mean it won't, although other schools have a two-week head start. I'm guessing the lack of contact from the Hawkeyes thus far means they're focused elsewhere for their 2022-23 roster. Could it also be a stamp of approval for Kris Murray, who plays Shaw's position, to be "the guy" next year?

More on 2022-23 roster construction later. - Matthew Bain
 
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6 months is a long time when it comes to Aiden? According to who? You?

Sure, things have changed for Iowa in the last 6 months; we went from only having ONE scholarship available to having THREE available.

And now you write that Fran may no longer feel the team has the same needs for a player like Aiden. Seriously? I know you have watched his tape and how you could come to that conclusion is mind boggling.

And again, in your prior post, you said that you were trying to think of some reasons for Fran not reaching out to Aidan. It's pretty clear that you INCORRECTLY said one reason might be that it is a dangerous game to recruit over existing quality contributors. If Fran was not afraid of recruiting over existing quality contributors 6 months ago (by adding Aidan) then I don't see how this would be an issue now.

And I never said Aidan would play the 4 coming right out of high school. What I did say is that Fran knew he would be losing Keegan so adding Aidan, a 4 star forward, would be ideal.

After all, as they were about to start college, Keegan's and Aidan's profiles look very similar. But, obviously, Keegan was coming out of an additional year of prep school and Aidan is coming right out of high school (Keegan was a year older yet weighed 10 lbs less).

As they were about to enter college:

Keegan:.....6'8, 180 lb Small Forward
Aidan:..... 6'8", 190 lb Small Forward




Yeah, there definitely has to be some new, extenuating circumstances since Fran last recruited Shaw that we don’t know about—unless the last contact between Shaw and Fran ended so poorly that the relationship was irreparably damaged. I have no other explanation for why Fran wouldn’t at the very least make a phone call to such a highly talented recruit he once worked hard to woo to Iowa. If there are no legal or character concerns that have cropped up over the last six months, I don’t get it.
 
Did I just see that LSU has lost 11 guys? Not that I care about LSU, but ... wow.


IMO, portal recruiting is pretty much like HS recruiting. You recruit for need now and in the future.

A lot of discussion here about recruiting "over" a player in a developmental program. Personally, I think it is perfectly acceptable as long as you are making significant improvements.

For example, let's just say that Ulis is a "5" level PG (out of 10). I don't think Fran should grab a "6" from the portal. But if he can get an "8", he should.
 
And, according Rivals, they have 0 incoming freshman? Plus only 3 incoming portal guys according to 247?

:oops:
Wade may have legitimately been the dirtiest coach in the business. I am not shocked at all that the entire house was cleared. I'm sure the new coach will get most of his guys from Murray St to follow him and some transfers who are looking for playing time. May not end up being the worst thing in the world.
 
6 months is a long time when it comes to Aiden? According to who? You?

Sure, things have changed for Iowa in the last 6 months; we went from only having ONE scholarship available to having THREE available.

And now you write that Fran may no longer feel the team has the same needs for a player like Aiden. Seriously? I know you have watched his tape and how you could come to that conclusion is mind boggling.

And again, in your prior post, you said that you were trying to think of some reasons for Fran not reaching out to Aidan. It's pretty clear that you INCORRECTLY said one reason might be that it is a dangerous game to recruit over existing quality contributors. If Fran was not afraid of recruiting over existing quality contributors 6 months ago (by adding Aidan) then I don't see how this would be an issue now.

And I never said Aidan would play the 4 coming right out of high school. What I did say is that Fran knew he would be losing Keegan so adding Aidan, a 4 star forward, would be ideal.

After all, as they were about to start college, Keegan's and Aidan's profiles look very similar. But, obviously, Keegan was coming out of an additional year of prep school and Aidan is coming right out of high school (Keegan was a year older yet weighed 10 lbs less).

As they were about to enter college:

Keegan:.....6'8, 180 lb Small Forward
Aidan:..... 6'8", 190 lb Small Forward




Keegan was 180lbs at end of his senior season. He was 215lbs when he left DME.
Below shows his bio at DME

 
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From DM Register April 1st:

Recruiting Mailbag: Is Iowa recruiting Aidan Shaw? Iowa State transfer portal targets; Xavier Foster to Drake?​

Is Iowa recruiting Aidan Shaw?​

As of Thursday at 9:24 a.m. Central Time, when four-star Kansas wing Aidan Shaw sent me a message on Twitter, no, Iowa was not recruiting him and had not reached out to him since he was released from his NLI with Missouri on March 17.

"As of yet no," he wrote.

Iowa made the final five for the rangy 6-foot-8 small forward alongside Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma State and Maryland. Shaw officially visited all five schools in June and committed to Cuonzo Martin's Tigers in September, but reopened his recruitment after Martin was fired following the season.

It makes sense why Hawkeye fans would ask about Shaw. You got close to a top-60 national talent in the summer, so why not take another swing now that he's back on the market? Especially since he's built in the mold of Keegan Murray, and Iowa did pretty dang well with him.

Just because Shaw said Iowa hasn't reached out yet doesn't mean it won't, although other schools have a two-week head start. I'm guessing the lack of contact from the Hawkeyes thus far means they're focused elsewhere for their 2022-23 roster. Could it also be a stamp of approval for Kris Murray, who plays Shaw's position, to be "the guy" next year?

More on 2022-23 roster construction later. - Matthew Bain
I read that. Thanks.
 
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So Fran was an idiot cause he never took the time to even find out if Shaw was interested...
That would be what people think when all they consider is what they see and know on a surface level…..when people with just a small degree of intelligence know that there’s a lot more than what’s in the public arena. People who think Fran’s an idiot…..well that speaks for itself.
 
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