All Time Iowa at Todays Weight Classes

[Case I H]

125: Barry Davis
133: Tom Brands
141: Mark Ironside
149: Brent Metcalf
157: Lincoln McIlravy
165: TJ Williams
174: Mark Perry
184: Royce Alger
197: Ed Banach
285: Lou Banach


These are not the exact weights that everyone wrestled at, but classes have changed, and these are close. Who would you change?

 

[Case I H]

What if we wrestled PSU?

125: Barry Davis vs Jeff Prescott
133: Tom Brands vs Sanshire Abe
141: Mark Ironside vs Zane Retherford
149: Brent Metcalf vs Frank Molinaro
157: Lincoln McIlravy vs Jason Nolf
165: TJ Williams vs David Taylor
174: Mark Perry vs Andy Matter
184: Royce Alger vs Ed Ruth
197: Ed Banach vs Bo Nickal
285: Lou Banach vs Kerry McCoy

 

[Dont_Just_Dream]

What if we wrestled PSU?

125: Barry Davis vs Jeff Prescott
133: Tom Brands vs Sanshire Abe
141: Mark Ironside vs Zane Retherford
149: Brent Metcalf vs Frank Molinaro
157: Lincoln McIlravy vs Jason Nolf
165: TJ Williams vs David Taylor
174: Mark Perry vs Andy Matter
184: Royce Alger vs Ed Ruth
197: Ed Banach vs Bo Nickal
285: Lou Banach vs Kerry McCoy

Iowa, 60-0

 

[hawkeye54545]

Ed Banach would rip that stupid haircut off Bo Nickal.

 

[jrod65]

125: Barry Davis
133: Tom Brands
141: Mark Ironside
149: Brent Metcalf
157: Lincoln McIlravy
165: TJ Williams
174: Mark Perry
184: Royce Alger
197: Ed Banach
285: Lou Banach


These are not the exact weights that everyone wrestled at, but classes have changed, and these are close. Who would you change?

If we are allowed a little flexibility, I would put Zalesky at 65 and Joe Williams at 74.

 

[JEDN]

Joe Williams at 165 rather than TJ.

 

[Stimpjumper44]

Iowa, 60-0

Davis over Prescott
Abe over Brands
Zane over Ironsides
Metcalf over Molinaro
Lincoln over Nolf
Taylor over William's
Perry over Matter
Ruth over Alger
Nickel over Banach
Banach over McCoy

 

[ff141]

Davis over Prescott
Abe over Brands
Zane over Ironsides
Metcalf over Molinaro
Lincoln over Nolf
Taylor over William's
Perry over Matter
Ruth over Alger
Nickel over Banach
Banach over McCoy

So you’re picking 1x champ Abe over 3x champ Brands?

 

[sdvike]

Id put an asterick by Davis. Theres a certain young gun up and coming, just hasn't finished his Hawk career yet.

 

[ginormous.headed.circus.midget]

To be “remotely close” to accurate, the new weight classes were established to prevent the old dehydration to make weights.

When weigh in’s we’re the night before (at best) or morning of (at worst) allowed for a lot of dehydration because of the large amount of recovery time.

118=125: Spencer Lee or Matt McDonough
126=133: Barry Davis or Terry Brands
134=141: Randy Lewis or Tom Brands
142=149: Troy Steiner or Brent Metcalf
150=157: Lincoln McIlravy or Chuck Yagla
158=165: Jim Zalesky or Mark Perry
167=174: Joe Williams or Marty Kistler
177=184: Chris Campbell or Royce Alger
190=197: Ed Banach
275=285: Lou Banach

 

[nearfall2]

125 Barry Davis 7,1,1,1/Spencer Lee 1,1,?,?
133 Tom Brands 4,1,1,1
141 Lincoln MacIlravy 1,1,2,1
149 TJ Williams 1,3,1
157 Jim Zaleski 5,1,1,1
165 Joe Williams 7,1,1,1
174 Chris Campbell 2,1,1
184 Ed Banach 1,1,2,1
197 Duane Goldman 2,2,1,2
285 Lou Banach 1,1,1

This is tough. I really want to put Randy Lewis in at 133. Without the dislocated elbow he is in. TJ only had one loss and all time best Iowa record so he ends up above Metcalf. Lincoln did wrestle 142 his freshmen year so he is the best option for 141. Pretty good lineup when your worst wrestler was a 4x finalist.

 

[Grip220]

ED Banach would tear Bo apart and please I dont want to hear it... Not even close.

Abe over Brands is a funny statement.

I think Williams would have to much HP for Taylor also very much like Dake did, at least there is an arguement here though.

 

[Kinnick.At.Night]

So you’re picking 1x champ Abe over 3x champ Brands?

This! Not to mention Olympic gold medalist Tom Brands over non-medalist Abe. In folkstyle, Brands wins. Easily.

 

[Stimpjumper44]

So you’re picking 1x champ Abe over 3x champ Brands?

I'm guessing you'd pick 3x champ Mcilravy

So you’re picking 1x champ Abe over 3x champ Brands?

Brands would be the heavy favorite. This was only a hypothetical exercise; however, the are real world examples of such outcomes - see 3x Mcilravy/1x Marianetti.

 

[pablow]

This! Not to mention Olympic gold medalist Tom Brands over non-medalist Abe. In folkstyle, Brands wins. Easily.

McGuinness beat Abe three times in 1995. Tom would steamroll him.

The Brands, the Williams, and Chris Campbell would beat anyone you lined up with them - anyone.

Senior Bill Zadick at 149 would be unbeatable.

 

[Kinnick.At.Night]

Gable Iowa annihilates Cael PSU. Or any PSU in any iteration. That is all.

 

[pablow]

Gable Iowa annihilates Cael PSU. Or any PSU in any iteration. That is all.

We'd have trouble with Nickal and maybe Ruth (although Campbell, Alger, and Fullhart would probably beat him - they were all tougher). Everyone else - we got better wrestlers.

 

[ff141]

I'm guessing you'd pick 3x champ Mcilravy

Brands would be the heavy favorite. This was only a hypothetical exercise; however, the are real world examples of such outcomes - see 3x Mcilravy/1x Marianetti.

Ok, but that was an actual match that was wrestled. It’s just an odd take for a hypothetical. There were plenty other tossups you picked Iowa to win. The Brands pick was very unlikely that Abe would win with the given resume and your other picks.

 

[GG121AND2]

Ruth vs Royce? See Kevin Jackson vs Royce.

 

[WEH8ST8HAWK]

I'm guessing you'd pick 3x champ Mcilravy

Brands would be the heavy favorite. This was only a hypothetical exercise; however, the are real world examples of such outcomes - see 3x Mcilravy/1x Marianetti.

See Bubba Jenkins vs David Taylor. You did see that, correct?

 

[drunkengoat]

How about a drink a case the night before and wrestle team? Guys can’t get away with that much anymore for many reasons, including weigh in rules, so Gable era Iowa wins that hands down. Anybody can make weight and wrestle and win. A real man, makes weight, drinks heavy, then wrestles, and wins.

 

[TNTwrestle]

Here's my three-deep all-time Iowa roster. Several weights could go 5-6 deep with great wrestlers I had to go four deep at 134-141 because I couldn't leave any of the four off the list, they're all that good;

118-125 Barry Davis, Matt McDonough, Spencer Lee (Jody Strittmatter would have been in the running if not for Stephen Abas)

126-133 Terry Brands, Brad Penrith, Cory Clark

134-141 Tom Brands, Randy Lewis, Eric Juergens, Mark Ironside

142-149 Brent Metcalf, Troy Steiner, Jeff McGinnis

150-157 Lincoln McIlravy, Chuck Yagla, Derek St. John

158-165 Joe Williams, Jim Zalesky, T.J. Williams (Alex Marinelli will be in this group when he's done)

167-174 Marty Kistler, Mark Perry, Joe Scarpello (should probably be in next weight, but could go six deep in that one)

177-184 Royce Alger, Chris Campbell, Duane Goldman (HM- Rico Chiapparelli, Bart Chelsvig)

190-197 Ed Banach, Joel Sharratt, Lee Fullhart

285-HWT Lou Banach, John Oostendorp, Steve Mocco (could be several very high if not for injury-plagued careers, or football)

As for vs. PSU, it would be a shutout. Their best at any weight couldn't beat our best, and that includes Prescott, Retherford, Nolf, Taylor, Ruth and Nickal

 

[grapplefann]

Davis over Prescott
Abe over Brands
Zane over Ironsides
Metcalf over Molinaro
Lincoln over Nolf
Taylor over William's
Perry over Matter
Ruth over Alger
Nickel over Banach
Banach over McCoy

Sorry, but Ironside would make Zane wish there were only two periods. He'd do to Zane what he did to Kolat.

 

[ginormous.headed.circus.midget]

McGuinness beat Abe three times in 1995. Tom would steamroll him.

The Brands, the Williams, and Chris Campbell would beat anyone you lined up with them - anyone.

Senior Bill Zadick at 149 would be unbeatable.

Uhhh, you do know he lost that year correct?

 

[fufighters]

Just a quick note on Ironside, from Gable himself on Mark. "Mark was probably the best, if he would have went on to world competition he would have been a gold medalist."
Gable last year at FryFest..when asked who he though was the best wrestler he had.

 

[Kinnick.At.Night]

Just a quick note on Ironside, from Gable himself on Mark. "Mark was probably the best, if he would have went on to world competition he would have been a gold medalist."
Gable last year at FryFest..when asked who he though was the best wrestler he had.

What's the story about Mark Ironside and freestyle? I know he competed a little after college, but not for very long. Why?

 

[Old_wrestling_fan]

What's the story about Mark Ironside and freestyle? I know he competed a little after college, but not for very long. Why?

I think he had back trouble at that time, but I don't know if that was just a factor or "the" factor.

 

[BanjoSaysWoof]

Here's my three-deep all-time Iowa roster. Several weights could go 5-6 deep with great wrestlers I had to go four deep at 134-141 because i couldn't leave any of the four off the list, they're all that good;

118-125 Barry Davis, Matt McDonough, Spencer Lee (Jody Strittmatter would have been in the running if not for Stephen Abas)(

126-133 Terry Brands, Brad Penrith, Cory Clark

134-141 Tom Brands, Randy Lewis, Eric Juergens, Mark Ironside

142-149 Brent Metcalf, Troy Steiner, Jeff McGinnis

150-157 Lincoln McIlravy, Chuck Yagla, Derek St. John

158-165 Joe Williams, Jim Zalesky, T.J. Williams (Alex Marinelli will be in this group when he's done)

167-174 Marty Kistler, Mark Perry, Joe Scarpello (should probably be in next weight, but could go six deep in that one)

177-184 Royce Alger, Chris Campbell, Duane Goldman (HM- Rico Chiapparelli, Bart Chelsvig)

190-197 Ed Banach, Joel Sharratt, Lee Fullhart

285-HWT Lou Banach, John Oostendorp, Steve Mocco (could be several very high if not for injury-plagued careers, or football)

As for vs. PSU, it would be a shutout. Their best at any weight couldn't beat our best, and that includes Prescott, Retherford, Nolf, Taylor, Ruth ans Nickal

I think Taylor beats your guy at 165. I also think Zain can beat metcalf. Otherwise I would say it’s a shutout (unless we go back to the 60s when only chief and spooner were around to give a first hand account)

 

[pablow]

I know Iowa's all-time team factors career results. However, it's very hard for me to ignore senior Bruce Kinseth and senior Bill Zadick.

 

[Hicksy87]

I would put John Bowlsby behind Banach at Hwt. 3x AA missed Soph. year due to injury his backup ended up an AA. Too bad Mocco did not spend four years as a Hawkeye! Injuries have taken their toll on Hawkeye Hwts. Lets hope Cass can avoid the injury bug and string together four good to great AA years.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

ED Banach would tear Bo apart and please I dont want to hear it... Not even close.

Abe over Brands is a funny statement.

I think Williams would have to much HP for Taylor also very much like Dake did, at least there is an arguement here though.

I'm not so sure about ripping him apart but I can promise you there would be no reaching down from Bo to help him up!

 

[Grip220]

I'm not so sure about ripping him apart but I can promise you there would be no reaching down from Bo to help him up!

The only thing he would be lifting is himself if he could after getting pounded into the mat. His flare would meet a brick wall just like it will when he meets top international guys.

If anyone thinks he is going to cradle up the next level guys they are sadly mistaken. He had better start “Bulking” because his “skills” are not gonna cut it. How many Russians and Iranians do you think he gets to “help up”

 

[TNTwrestle]

I know Iowa's all-time team factors career results. However, it's very hard for me to ignore senior Bruce Kinseth and senior Bill Zadick.

I agree about those two as seniors, and can think of a couple other one-time champs (or even some non-champs) that would be on the list if I went deeper, or that would top most other school's all-time best.

I would put John Bowlsby behind Banach at Hwt. 3x AA missed Soph. year due to injury his backup ended up an AA. Too bad Mocco did not spend four years as a Hawkeye! Injuries have taken their toll on Hawkeye Hwts. Lets hope Cass can avoid the injury bug and string together four good to great AA years.

Kind of forgot about Bowlsby (another old-timer). He definitely ranks up there.

I think Taylor beats your guy at 165. I also think Zain can beat metcalf. Otherwise I would say it’s a shutout (unless we go back to the 60s when only chief and spooner were around to give a first hand account)

Sorry, we'll have to disagree. Joe Williams in his prime loses to no one. It might be close, but he doesn't get beat. Unless he already has a big lead, he doesn't get scored on. Taylor will end up with a better international career, but both at their best (especially in college), I'd still take Williams. Retherford / Metcalf is interesting, could be wild. McIlravy is actually close to Zain's weight (149-150), and, prior to his concussion issues, I'd take him.

 

[HawkFan1986]

Sorry, but Ironside would make Zane wish there were only two periods. He'd do to Zane what he did to Kolat.

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I don't care who you root for, you have to admire Ironside's high level of attack. That man just competes.

 

[fufighters]

What's the story about Mark Ironside and freestyle? I know he competed a little after college, but not for very long. Why?

Gable implied he didn't compete because of family, what that was he didn't say. He simply said he would have been the best out of all of them.

 

[wrstlrev]

ED Banach would tear Bo apart and please I dont want to hear it... Not even close.

Abe over Brands is a funny statement.

I think Williams would have to much HP for Taylor also very much like Dake did, at least there is an arguement here though.

I completely agree with these 3 adjustments. The only thing that stopped Williams was mental. When he shot, he finished. The only time he didn't dominate was if he didn't shoot (and therefore didn't power through to finish)

 

[Stimpjumper44]

I completely agree with these 3 adjustments. The only thing that stopped Williams was mental. When he shot, he finished. The only time he didn't dominate was if he didn't shoot (and therefore didn't power through to finish)

Nickal beats Banach 7 out of 10 times. Of the 7 wins, 2 by fall.

 

[ff141]

I completely agree with these 3 adjustments. The only thing that stopped Williams was mental. When he shot, he finished. The only time he didn't dominate was if he didn't shoot (and therefore didn't power through to finish)

Remember Joe also wrestled as a true freshman. Could have possibly been a four timer looking at the all Americans from 1995.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Nickal beats Banach 7 out of 10 times. Of the 7 wins, 2 by fall.

Interesting opinion. I would disagree.

 

[Stimpjumper44]

Interesting opinion. I would disagree.

Hey CID- I just threw that out there. I watched some old footage. Ed was a total animal and a seemingly very humble guy despite his stellar career. Bo is good but has a ways to go to be on EB's level. Fair?