Just wanted to to express sympathy and condolences to the family and the ISU family of the slain ISU golfer. What a tragedy, I can't imagine what that poor girls last thoughts were. What is this world coming to. RIP
Another tragedy in iowa
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I wish more women would consider legal carry. There are tools out there to prevent this sort of thing and it seems like men are taking advantage of it but women aren’t, including my wife. I’m going to make sure my daughter is prepared if it’s the last thing I ever do.
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I get what your saying, but.... A lot of people talk about packing heat, but the key thing is, will you be prepared to use it? Not everyone has that type of makeup. If he or she doesn't, and isn't prepared to carry out possibly lethal force, then carrying is not a good idea. Another option are numerous stun guns, or mace to carry where the attacker would be debilitated long enough for escape and a 911 call fore help.
It’s sad that we live in a world where a woman has to arm herself when out jogging, golfing, etc. I would also recommend that women consider self defense training as well. A woman may find herself in a situation, like being grabbed from behind, where she can’t get to whatever she’s carrying.
Yeah prayers for the family...they think they are sending her to a place for better opportunity. What a tragedy
Used to work in the Federal Criminal Justice system. More times than not in a violent situation the thin line between life and death is a split sec or two. Doesn't give you a lot of time to make a decision. It's why a lot of cops die in the line of duty and why a lot of cops kill an unarmed person in the line of duty. Same can be said of the military and wartime situations. Prayers to the girl and her family.
Really terrible... I feel so bad for the young lady. I have been out golfing several times on my own and this is the furthest thought from my head. It is a sad world we live in.
This was a terrible thing - a person out playing golf, attacked and killed. This has happened in the city where I live as well. I just can’t imagine her family. The grief and loss. Thoughts and prayers out to them.
A former ISU golfer was attacked and killed while playing golf. Needless, senseless.
I bet this is true. Even if victims have protection there's a good chance they don't have time to use it as it happens so fast.
Presumably, the victim in Ames had a club in her hand that she knew how to swing quite well and did not get a chance to whack her attacker with it. Odds are by the time she knew she was in trouble, she likely would not have been able to pull a concealed weapon either. But more people having a weapon on them could possibly detour people like this thug from attacking women in the first place. Who knows. Either way it is just heartbreaking.
What a horrible world to live in, where this thought is even in consideration...
I play a lot of golf, I tend to play alone and I almost always walk. Bottom line is that when you are thinking of your game and you inherently feel safe, no amount of protection/deterrence will help - you will be surprised by a lurker coming up on you from an unsuspected place. It’s a terrible thing, but I don’t believe arming the population is the right answer (and i’m not at all against owning guns). Sometimes being in the wrong place at the wrong time counts for more.
Isn't it too bad she didn't have enough time to sense what was about to happen and was able to use her club on the worthless bastard.
The question is, could this wonderful, full of life, amazing young woman have it in her to even hit someone with it even out of fear? Would have been sweet justice if she had been able to and escape. So sad that she was put into that situation to begin with.
The suspect:
“Criminal records show that Richards has been charged with at least a dozen crimes, starting in 2014, including domestic abuse, assault, harassment, intimidation with a deadly weapon and theft. He was also charged with a misdemeanor in 2016, accused of carrying a knife that was longer than five inches.”
Explain to me how a criminal with dozen incidents over four years is free to kill someone, sad and negligent on behalf of our court systems.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna910551
“Criminal records show that Richards has been charged with at least a dozen crimes, starting in 2014, including domestic abuse, assault, harassment, intimidation with a deadly weapon and theft. He was also charged with a misdemeanor in 2016, accused of carrying a knife that was longer than five inches.”
Explain to me how a criminal with dozen incidents over four years is free to kill someone, sad and negligent on behalf of our court systems.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna910551
by all accounts, she was a great human and great at her passion. I’m so sorry for her family and those who loved her. May she Rest In Peace.
Probably not in her DNA and most people's to strike out at someone without knowing someone's intent to do you harm. A "normal" person doesn't think that way, and sadly for those that can't defend themselves adequately, when they realize it, it may be too late.
That and she may have discovered in her time in the USA, that criminals have more rights than their victims. If she hits this POS with a golf club and seriously injures him, she now has to prove she had reason to fear this asshole. If she can't do that, bye-bye golf career and whatever else she had in mind for her future. Damn shame.
This. Carrying a firearm only works when you have a few seconds to prepare; considering no one on the course heard her it is likely he came up from behind.
If you want people to spend life in prison for whatever charge you can name, then the legislative branch of government is more than capable of handling that issue. In fact, the Code of Iowa that courts are bound to follow at sentencing comes directly from your state senators and representatives...
If someone is willing to kill on a golf course I doubt that they have the sense to worry if their victim has a gun. I've read far more stories of children being killed because guns weren't properly and safely stored, or people who committed suicide because they had easy access to handguns. I've nothing against people who want to carry guns legally and safely, assuming they don't use drugs aren't crazy and aren't felons, but it is not a solution to curbing violence. That myth is not statistically supported.
I have repeatedly instructed my 7 and 10 year old that if a stranger grabs them to yell and scream and if possible take a pencil and stab their abductor in the eye or throat. Both just looked at me bewildered, and I had to explain to them if someone grabs them this may be the only thing that can stop them or they may never come home. It goes against everything we tell kids to do no harm, but I would rather deal with trauma instead of a funeral. Something has to change in the way our society function.
If we want to talk statistics. The cases of children (and adults) killed by accident plummeted since 1981 while handgun ownership has soared. Why more guns less accidents? Many want to ignore the good things the NRA does like education, gun lock giveaway. Not meant to be a political statement but I think everyone should take a conceal/carry class even if you have no intention of carrying. The golf course is one of the last places on earth you would think there be a need to carry. And yes, statistically the "myth of conceal carry" has been supported. In Georgia a study was done. In counties legalizing conceal/carry not only did violent crime go down but the bordering county had violent crime increase. When the bordering county legalized conceal carry again crime decreased with neighboring county seeing an increase showing conceal carry does "push out" violent crime. Okay I'm done except to extend prayers to her family.
I would like to see where your statistics are coming from, because they aren't backed by any study I'm familiar with. Of course, part of the problem is the NRA sponsored legislation that outlawed the study of gun violence by the CDC.
I could point to a bunch of statistics, but they all say pretty much the same thing. More guns do NOT make us safer. Quite the opposite: https://www.vox.com/2014/6/11/5797892/us-world-firearm-ownership-map
Conceal and carry doesn't reduce crime: https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/concealed-carry.html
I have a hard time believing that would have changed the outcome here. She had a whole golf bag full of potential weapons and by the description of the crime scene it sounds like she was ambushed.
The screaming/yelling lesson I get. The stabbing in the eye part? Jesus Christ.
You’ve gone this far but won’t post actual links? PM me and I’ll post them. I didn’t start this gun thread but the can of worms has been opened.
Put some Saran wrap over your can of worms and store it in the refrigerator.
Do you know how many kids that get abducted go home? Whatever it take for my kids to come home, what other options does a 7 or 10 year have against an adult?
The recovery rate for the estimated 115 children abducted by strangers each year, a very small but alarming segment of children reported missing annually, is less heartening. Allen said an average of 57 percent of them come home alive and 40 percent are killed. The rest remain open cases.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ways-make-it-home-alive-idUSBRE83P14020120426
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I've come this far? I just replied to YOUR post that I thought included misleading "facts". I'm going to drop it as far as posting on the FOOTBALL board but again will be happy to PM.
Have you ever played Coldwater? It seems like an even more unlikely place for this to happen than the average golf course. It's a links course practically in the shadow of Jack Trice Stadium.
Ya, i fear we have reached the point where golf courses, parks, etc may need to be under video surveillance, and that be posted to act as a deterrent. Some golf courses, including coldwater, have some holes that are very secluded by trees.
She was to be honored as isu female athlete of the year this saturday.
So very sad, i cant imagine her parents.
