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Are you religious?

I pop over there every once in a blue moon. I'm actually trying to limit my forum use which it probably doesn't seem like it with my posting patterns here. Coping mechanisms combined with ADHD are a sonuvabitch.

Me too. I hope you're well.

My cell phone addiction is 10 hours a day.

It's a blessing and a curse. :)
 
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Foundational concepts?, sure,.. Pomp, ceremony and contradictions?, nope.
 
Me too. I hope you're well.

My cell phone addiction is 10 hours a day.

It's a blessing and a curse. :)

I got mine down to around 4 on a weekly average. The goal is under 2. With work and emails at under 2 I would be a very low phone usage person and then I could finish reading my book about the Nazis and their occult beliefs. Effing weirdos.
 
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I got mine down to around 4 on a weekly average. The goal is under 2. With work and emails at under 2 I would be a very low phone usage person and then I could finish reading my book about the Nazis and their occult beliefs. Effing weirdos.


Amazing.

Granted, I use 4 hours of Waze and YouTube per day. So that's a big chunk.
 
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The facts are Jesus was a real person. Resurrecting is just people wanting to believe IMHO. And I get that. People want to believe that when they die, they'll go to another place. Science says that is a myth
Science must have done a double blind experiment on the existence of the soul that we haven't seen.
 
😆 🤣 😂 OK.

You deflect and refuse to answer basic questions about your "philosophy" Buddhism.

Buddhism does exactly what you accuse Christianity of doing; covers up abuse and invents central tenants.

If you were sincere, you'd leave Buddhism.
You’re extra-sensitive about the massive worldwide sexual scandals and genocide committed by the Catholic Church.

Believe me, I understand. It’s enormously embarrassing and maddening. I’ve been there. It’s difficult to reconcile if you are a practicing Catholic. If you have come to terms with it then congratulations.

Catholic Charities does good work with the poor. Every Catholic should be proud of that.
 
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You’re extra-sensitive about the massive worldwide sexual scandals and genocide committed by the Catholic Church.

Believe me, I understand. It’s enormously embarrassing and maddening. I’ve been there. It’s difficult to reconcile if you are a practicing Catholic. If you have come to terms with it then congratulations.

Catholic Charities does good work with the poor. Every Catholic should be proud of that.

I'm extra-sensitive to your hypocrisy. I have responded to all your posts and you ignore mine.

Abuse done in the name of Buddhism is fine to you.

You are a master at ignoring Buddhist abuse.

You're a hypocrite.
 
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At times mostly use religion as a guide. Do onto others. Ye not judge unless ye he judged , etc etc. Don't think I've really prayed for anything since watching the second plane hit the World Trade Center.
 
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Raised Catholic, always hated going to church though. Said my prayers at night.

Got married and converted to Lutheran (MO Synod) as I wasn't really going to church.

Raising three kids Lutheran, wife likes to take the kids to church. I rarely go, not sure why.

I feel really good when I go however. Rarely say prayers anymore unless I need something or am thankful of something.

I need to start praying more and going to church with my family.

I believe church and religion is a good thing. The world right now needs more of it.
 
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I'm extra-sensitive to your hypocrisy.

Abuse done in the name of Buddhism is fine to you.

You are a master at ignoring Buddhist abuse.

You're a hypocrite.
I’ve stayed many times that it was the massive coverup by church leaders that alienated me. I understand abuse may occur in every religion and don’t condone it. The church’s de facto policy for decades was to conceal the abuse and harbor the abusers. Thousand of priests and church officials — just in the USA. That’s historical fact. To his credit, the Pope has admitted it and conceded mass genocide.

In 2014, my former pastor, now the archbishop of St Louis, testified under oath that he was uncertain whether a young young child sodomized by a priest in his diocese was against the law. That was the last straw. I reached my breaking point. I don’t apologize for that.
 
I’ve stayed many times that it was the massive coverup by church leaders that alienated me. I understand abuse may occur in every religion and don’t condone it. The church’s de facto policy for decades was to conceal the abuse and harbor the abusers. Thousand of priests and church officials — just in the USA. That’s historical fact. To his credit, the Pope had admitted it and conceded mass genocide.

In 2014, my former pastor, now the archbishop of St Louis, testified under oath that he was uncertain whether a young young child sodomized by a priest in his diocese was against the law. That was the last straw. I reached my breaking point. I don’t apologize for that.


Why do you stay in Buddhism which also has documented abuse cases??

If you were consistent, you would leave Buddhism, too.
 
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Why do you stay in Buddhism which also has documented abuse cases??
Buddhists typically join local communities, or on-line communities if one is not established. There is not a global military like formal hierarchy like the Catholic Church. If there has been abuse in Thailand, I don’t condone it. I hope the local community addresses it properly.
 
Buddhists typically join local communities, or on-line communities if one is not established. There is not a global military like formal hierarchy like the Catholic Church. If there has been abuse in Thailand, I don’t condone it. I hope the local community addresses it properly.

Some Buddhists are also persecuting minority groups.

Be consistent and leave Buddhism.


"This firebrand strain of Buddhism is not new to Sri Lanka. A key Buddhist revivalist figure of the early 20th Century, Anagarika Dharmapala, was less than complimentary about non-Sinhalese people. He held that the "Aryan Sinhalese" had made the island into Paradise which was then destroyed by Christianity and polytheism. He targeted Muslims saying they had "by Shylockian methods" thrived at the expense of the "sons of the soil".


 
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Sure, there's also been so much good done in the name of religion, too but religion only gets judged by it's abuses in modern times.

(Your list isn't accurate, BTW. The Holocaust was done by atheist Adolf Hitler in the name of racial superiority.)

The first orphanages were invented by Christians. So were universities.

Would you rather live in an atheist society like the Soviet Union or Communist China??

How about ancient Rome?



Christianity has been intricately intertwined with the history and formation of Western society. Throughout its long history, the Church has been a major source of social services like schooling and medical care; an inspiration for art, culture and philosophy; and an influential player in politics and religion.


You can dismiss the Holocaust if you like, but don't ignore the fact that Jews were mainly targeted not just due to racial superiority, but also because Christians thought they were the devil and not able to accept the word of God. The church didn't remove this until the 1960s!!!

As for universities and such that churches modernized... great, but teaching/studies/schooling was going on in an organized fashion long before just as hospitals were. Not going to deny that they took these things and improved upon them or better organized them, but they existed before.
 
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You can dismiss the Holocaust if you like, but don't ignore the fact that Jews were mainly targeted not just due to racial superiority, but also because Christians thought they were the devil and not able to accept the word of God. The church didn't remove this until the 1960s!!!

As for universities and such that churches modernized... great, but teaching/studies/schooling was going on in an organized fashion long before just as hospitals were. Not going to deny that they took these things and improved upon them or better organized them, but they existed before.

Hitler was an atheist, my friend.

He hated Christianity because of it's Jewish roots.

He left Church as a teenager and never went back. He persecuted the Churches. He planned on destroying Christianity in Europe after the war and replacing it with National Socialism.

Hitler told his secretary Traudl Junge that he didn't belong to a church, that humans were just an advanced type of animal and that Christianity was outdated and hypocritical. His references to God and "providence" were rhetorical.

He also told his valet Heinz Linge that once a person was dead they were "finished." No afterlife.

If you want to live in an atheist country, you're getting your wish.
 
Dude, you’re trying to hard. I doubt I’ll ever go back to the Catholic Church. Sorry about that. Good luck to you.

My point stands.

You're a hypocrite.

If you left the Catholic Church because of the abuse scandals, you'd leave Buddhism, too.

But, but, but, you deflect those and also ignore my questions.
 
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Yes in a sense but I will say we have been less connected to the church since Trump came on the scene.

Love your neighbor as yourself is still the great commandment. While no one is perfect I really tire of people justifying throwing that commandment out.

There used to be this idea in Christian circles that you could disagree with what a person does, think it's a sin even but love them as a person. Anymore I just don't see how many people even try that anymore.

Trump has become this license to insult and bully people.
 
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Yes in a sense but I will say we have been less connected to the church since Trump came on the scene.

Love your neighbor as yourself is still the great commandment. While no one is perfect I really tire of people justifying throwing that commandment out.

There used to be this idea in Christian circles that you could disagree with what a person does, think it's a sin even but love them as a person. Anymore I just don't see how many people even try that anymore.

Trump has become this license to insult and bully people.

How does Trump, an atheist, impact your church attendance? Just curious.

How often do you and your family attend church?
 
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How does Trump, an atheist, impact your church attendance? Just curious.

How often do you and your family attend church?

In terms of attendance the last time we attended was Easter. I'm not proud of that but we're trying to find a church and a time that works for us.
 
Have you ever thought about coming home?

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I've considered it because of the enormous respect I have for Catholic social teaching and the fact that there is an RCC parish just down the road.

The problem I keep coming back to is the theological differences I have with the RCC which mostly boil down to the RCC sees scripture and tradition as having equal weight. I see scripture as having a slightly greater weight than tradition. Tradition in my eyes is a lens by which helps us understand scripture. But it has no power on it's own absent scripture.
 
How does Trump, an atheist, impact your church attendance? Just curious.

How often do you and your family attend church?
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I've considered it because of the enormous respect I have for Catholic social teaching and the fact that there is an RCC parish just down the road.

The problem I keep coming back to is the theological differences I have with the RCC which mostly boil down to the RCC sees scripture and tradition as having equal weight. I see scripture as having a slightly greater weight than tradition. Tradition in my eyes is a lens by which helps us understand scripture. But it has no power on it's own absent scripture.


Here are some resources that can help you. Jesus didn't write the Bible, remember.

www.catholic.com has thousands of articles

 
That's the first time Trump went near a Church in decades.
Nope. Do you think anyone who doesn't attend church is an atheist?

Trump was not a regular churchgoer before he was elected president. He attended Norman Vincent Peale’s church for a while and praises Peale’s book The Power of Positive Thinking. He has also attended Episcopal churches for several Christmas and Easter services. In 2016, he was described by one prominent evangelical supporter as a “baby Christian.”

Since moving to the White House, however, he has visited many different churches, mostly evangelical and Pentecostal. He has met with numerous ministers, been prayed over, and sought the advice of spiritual counselors like White-Cain, a Florida televangelist often associated with the prosperity gospel, who took a position as the Trump administration’s faith outreach coordinator last year. City of Destiny, the church White-Cain founded in Florida, is nondenominational.
 
Nope. Do you think anyone who doesn't attend church is an atheist?

Trump was not a regular churchgoer before he was elected president. He attended Norman Vincent Peale’s church for a while and praises Peale’s book The Power of Positive Thinking. He has also attended Episcopal churches for several Christmas and Easter services. In 2016, he was described by one prominent evangelical supporter as a “baby Christian.”

Since moving to the White House, however, he has visited many different churches, mostly evangelical and Pentecostal. He has met with numerous ministers, been prayed over, and sought the advice of spiritual counselors like White-Cain, a Florida televangelist often associated with the prosperity gospel, who took a position as the Trump administration’s faith outreach coordinator last year. City of Destiny, the church White-Cain founded in Florida, is nondenominational.


Trump just uses them for political purposes. He's totally an atheist.

This is from Tony Schwartz who wrote "The art of the Deal" and knows Trump personally.


 
Here are some resources that can help you. Jesus didn't write the Bible, remember.

www.catholic.com has thousands of articles


I'm aware of that. But I would argue that at least scripture is constant. Tradition seems to be in the eye of the beholder. You can show me a tradition from the early church and quite often I can show you a tradition that someone else did but one side of the early church snuffed out the other traditions.

Or how am I to make sense of the differing traditions which have led to different theologies between the Eastern Orthodox Churches and the RCC?
 
I'm aware of that. But I would argue that at least scripture is constant. Tradition seems to be in the eye of the beholder. You can show me a tradition from the early church and quite often I can show you a tradition that someone else did but one side of the early church snuffed out the other traditions.

Or how am I to make sense of the differing traditions which have led to different theologies between the Eastern Orthodox Churches and the RCC?


Everyone has a tradition, my friend.

Martin Luther edited the Bible and made up "Sola Scriptura."

The Catholic church is the original church going all the way back to the Apostles. :)
 
Everyone has a tradition, my friend.

Martin Luther edited the Bible and made up "Sola Scriptura."

The Catholic church is the original church going all the way back to the Apostles. :)

Eastern Orthodox make the same claim as do a few others.

I personally see no particular necessity for Apostolic succession.
 
Because you and Tony say so? LOL.

Do you think anyone who doesn't attend church is an atheist?

Michael Cohen said it, too.

Trump worships himself. That's obvious.

Not going to church doesn't make a person an atheist but it's a pretty strong sign, IMO.
 
Everyone has a tradition, my friend.

Martin Luther edited the Bible and made up "Sola Scriptura."

The Catholic church is the original church going all the way back to the Apostles. :)
The Orthodox Church might disagree. But I digress, you're on a roll. :rolleyes:
 
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Michael Cohen said it, too.

Trump worships himself. That's obvious.

Not going to church doesn't make a person an atheist but it's a pretty strong sign, IMO.

I would say it means they are disconnected for Christian unity. There is a lot of room between Christian and Atheist. Our founders and many of the French Revolutionaries were deists.
 
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