B12 Tourney Finals on ESPNU
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Nobody's beating Carr this year. He's on a different level at 165. Other than that, I don't see another Big 12 wrestler making the finals, maybe Fix but that's about it.
Might be right, but I still think O'Toole can win. This one went to SV, and I think they will remain close. Or maybe it's just that I now hope O'Toole wins - thought Carr was rather arrogant several times in that match.
Oh thank God. I didn’t notice the 1000 camera shots of him. I hope he gave Dresser an extra milkbone and took him for a nice long walk this morning.
The throwing of Metcalf was adorable also, but it looked like poor Brent got the wind knocked out of him. Bet he’s sore this morning.
Alirez should have to beat Hardy before he even gets a shot at Real.
And he won’t. I fully expect to see a Hardy/Woods final if the seeding committee doesn’t have shit for brains…. But they usually do.
Alirez will end up 1 and Woods 2 with Hardy 3 because why not?! Same at heavy. Who are the obvious top 3 heavies for the last 2 years? Want to bet they won't be the top 3 seeds because two have multiple losses. At some point strength of schedule needs to start bearing much more weight. If you don't wrestle anyone in the top 8 all season, no way should you be a 1 seed regardless of your record. The whole can't control who we wrestle is garbage. Schedule tougher out of conference duals then or go to tougher tournaments. They absolutely can control who they wrestle.
The Alirez situation is up in the air. I think it is about 50/50 if he gets the top seed. But, I wouldn't worry about 285. Schultz has 2 somewhat ugly losses. Hendrickson's 1 loss is 12-5 to Parris. The rest have at least 3 losses.
Parris, Kerk and Cass are 1-2-3 in the Coaches Ranking and Kerk just got over the threshold for RPI. With that, both he and Cass should push into the top 5 in RPI. With their only losses being inside that triangle, I don't see how they seed anyone above those 3.
You have more confidence in the seeding committee than me. Woods should be the 1 and Kerk and Cass should be the 2/3 and I don't see any way it should be different. Time will tell the tale.
Anyone think the double stall call on Carr was warranted at the end? Similar to Woods getting dinged twice in a short amount of time. I always think when that first stall warning comes out in the 3rd period how much time needs to be on the clock before they can get hit with a second stall.
Fix, Alirez, Carr, KOT, Keck all have great shots of making the finals.
Franek, Paniro, Mauller, Elam & Sloan all have a path to making the finals as well.
It's how it should be called but almost never is.
Been following the way the criteria is followed pretty closely the last few years. The way 285 shakes out with coaches ranking, RPI and head to heads, I just don't see how the top 3 don't stay the top three after finishing that exact way in the same tournament. If there was a blow out score, maybe that changes something. But, there wasn't.
Alirez is different because he has been ranked #1 all season, is undefeated, #3 in RPI and has wrestled 7 more matches than Woods. More matches IS a factor, even if those weren't against good opponents. The key is going to be Woods now being eligible for RPI and what that puts him at. They really don't have any significant opponent results to compare either. So, to me, I think it is going to come down to whether they value Woods RPI more than Alirez's coaches ranking...
I think Alirez should have to beat Hardy in semis but if it works out this way, it is ok. Real will beat Hardy by more than he has and finals will be a rout for Real. Get ready for some tilt a whirls.
Has ISU ever had an original idea ...regarding Carr throwing Metcalf?
Yea, that B10 finals match was a joke. That should have been a 4-0 win at worst for Real. No back points on either of those tilts was a joke (whoever thinks having the same guy review a challenge that screwed up the call the first time is a good "appeals process" is a fool). The two stalls after watching Hardy do the exact same thing on the bottom for 2 and a half minutes the period before with no stall calls was the icing on the cake for that match.
If originally is your thing I'm not sure why the Hawkeyes are your favorite program? We're about as traditional as it gets. Metcalf tackling Carr after a backflip when he won the NCAAs was pretty sweet though, you gotta give em credit there.
Well, yes of course. The first one was for not returning O'Toole to the mat. The 2nd was because he kept backing out. Both fairly easy calls.
More matches...against more tomato cans. Yeesh...what a ridiculous criteria. Alirez literally didn't wrestle anyone.
He was also #4 for the first several weeks. His biggest accomplishment is winning an exhibition match over a guy who took a loss from Titus Jordan.
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Look, I am not arguing that Alirez is better than Woods. I am not even arguing that I, personally, would seed Alirez over Woods. What I AM saying is, Alirez has multiple criteria that favor him. Without having common opponents, its hard to put 16-0 Woods over 23-0 Alirez when/if the coaches still have Alirez ranked ahead of him. It sucks for Woods, but it really most likely comes down to coaches rankings...
I know. It's the logic that makes no sense. Woods started out ranked higher and wrestled a MUCH tougher schedule. He has 3 top 5 wins. Why would anyone rank Alirez higher? Idiotic.
Doesnt suck for Woods, I think you meant it sucks for Hardy or whatever #3 they put in.
I 100% agree.
However, the NCAA seeding process is so complicated, they don’t understand their own formulas.
As you know they don’t take rankings into consideration. Only the wrestlers winning percentage. Woods only victory over a tier one opponent is Bartlett. Alirez none
Alirez has beaten 4 qualifiers, Woods has beat 8.
If Teal doesn’t end up #1 in the Coaches Rankings, he could get screwed.
Not a fan of that line. I get why it's used, but the easier the road, the more likely you win. Let alone the more likely you score bonus points and the less likely your body gets beat up. I mean there are a SLEW of benefits to getting the best possible seed.
In my opinion the guys that would push Real most are Alirez and Matthews. Real has beaten Hardy twice despite questionable officiating calls. I expect the seeds to go 1- Alirez 2- woods 3- Matthews 4- jack 5- Hardy
I watched one match of the championship and it was that one. Most boring match I have ever watched in my life.
I think yes for Davison, but don't see the podium for Hillger; he's too hit and miss and I think he'll lose a close match in the championship bracket and then face the wrong person in the wrestlebacks in the R12.
I wasn’t talking about who will be this year, simply that they ARE AA’s already…
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