So B1G 7-0, and every team that beat Iowa won their bowl game.
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B1G 7-1
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Updated conference bowl records:
Big Ten: 7-0
Sun Belt: 4-1
Big 12: 5-2
American: 3-3
Mountain West: 3-3
Independents: 1-1
ACC: 4-5
C-USA: 4-5
SEC: 1-3
MAC: 1-4
Pac-12: 1-8
Big Ten: 7-0
Sun Belt: 4-1
Big 12: 5-2
American: 3-3
Mountain West: 3-3
Independents: 1-1
ACC: 4-5
C-USA: 4-5
SEC: 1-3
MAC: 1-4
Pac-12: 1-8
Has a conference with eight bowl participants ever gone undefeated. Better yet with three huge bowls ?
Iowa could have beaten the Fiesta Bowl Champions. They crushed the BIG and Cotton Bowl Champions. They beat what turned out to be a pretty good Cyclone squad and a solid B.C squad and lost in overtime to a double digit winning and nationally ranked Northwestern squad.
Not a bad year in retrospect.
Not a bad year in retrospect.
The schedule was difficult, which is what the computer rankings told us. All in all for Iowa it was a solid/good season, not a great one. I do want to be careful about playing the "tough schedule card" as we end up sounding like Iowa State fans.
Lots of nice pieces returning for Iowa next couple of years. Need Daniels to come back for his senior year, find a linebacker or 2, and find 1-2 more receivers. Jackson will be a big loss, but I like the collection of athletes Iowa has at corner. Between Hankins, Rugamba, Ojemudia and the redshirting/new guys, Iowa has lot of good options in the secondary.
tOSU beat three teams in the top ten last year, including Oklahoma, whereas Alabama played 1 top ten team this year and loss. That's the difference. Also Alabama's loss wasn't that close.
Wisc. Played an extra game too. Ticks me off bama got to sit out the championship game (no extra game) & still make it in. Bama is NOT worthy this year. Sec is down this year.
Remember when Clemson beat Miami & that was the clincher.."this team is the best in the country, nobody does that to Miami".... except maybe a BIG team.
We had 8 playoff teams (ship games), not counting PAC 12,
& bama was left out.. they did not make the final 8 & then the final 4. What's so hard to figure out?!? It's like putting the patriots in the championship game because of who they've been in the past. Joke.
This is what happens when the best conference doesn't get their conference champ in the playoffs and the 3rd best conference gets two teams in the playoffs.
Ya, if tOsu in the cfp, every b1g matchup is likely tougher and record likely declines. Not rocket science, everyone agrees. And tosu got beat by clemson 31 last year in cfp.
Again, impressive record.
Damn, it feels good to play in, by far, the toughest conference in football.
Iowa's 8 wins>>>>>>>>>>>everybody else's 8 wins.
Iowa's 8 wins>>>>>>>>>>>everybody else's 8 wins.
Yeah, if only moral victories counted we'd be a dynasty!
Point taken but it should be noted that this is also one of the few times the B1G is not playing up a spot or two against the competition. We also play all the power 5 teams most seasons and end up playing some our opponents in a defacto home game for them.
No. It confirms conference strength, but does not 'prove' it.
Playing competitively in bowl games vs. comparable competition (either winning or losing by <1 scoring opp) is what demonstrates conference strength.
When your conference teams get blown out by 2 TDs or more, that's a sign of a weak conference, but only if you're playing teams where the expected outcome is a <1 TD spread.
Looking at the games thru this metric (as of 12/30):
B10 had 4 >1TD wins, 0 >1TD losses (Excellent)
SEC has 0 >1TD wins, 1 >1TD loss (Decent/average)
PAC12 has 1 >1TD wins, 6 >1TD losses (Sad)
ACC has 3 >1TD wins, 3 >1TD losses (Decent or average)
B12 has 3 >1TD wins, 1 >1TD loss (Good)
SEC has 0 >1TD wins, 1 >1TD loss (Decent/average)
PAC12 has 1 >1TD wins, 6 >1TD losses (Sad)
ACC has 3 >1TD wins, 3 >1TD losses (Decent or average)
B12 has 3 >1TD wins, 1 >1TD loss (Good)
Good teams play within a score of winning, and one play can tip that either direction. Thus, winning or losing by a single score (up to 7-8 pts) doesn't tell you much.
You could also include "blowout" wins or losses by >2TDs and compare outcomes. In past years, even though the B10 had losing bowl records, many of those losses were in close games which doesn't really indicate much.
B10 could easily have ended up with 3 losses already in the close bowl games (IA, Purdue, NW); that'd make them 4-3 instead of 7-0. And it's why the metric of looking at >1TD spread games is a better indicator, because they'd still be 4-0 by that count.
Again, not in question.
The question is whose resume is better than Alabama's THIS YEAR at #4? Not Ohio State's.
Also, Alabama beat then #3 FSU to open the season. It's not their fault FSU's QB went down for the season and FSU limped through the rest of the year.
Yes, good analysis-- most of the 1 TD games are just crapshoots. B1G got lucky breaks this year that in past years have gone the other way.
I would add, If Iowa had played up 1 level in the bowl pecking order, probably would have been a loss. Iowa really needs to step up on offense to compete at higher level.
It's all a crapshoot and better to be lucky than good. This year the Big Ten has the upper hand in Bowl Wins and things are bouncing their way. It makes you feel good as a fan of a Big Ten team perhaps, but other than that it's pretty much meaningless.
What I remember was that the B1G often ended up moving up and playing teams with much better records. So for instance, our number 5 would play against an SEC or ACC number 3. This year we have more parity of records. Also, keep in mind that many of these bowl games are practically home games for the Southern teams.
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I guess I'll repeat myself.
The bowl season is 36% of the B1G's OOC P5 games. It is a big chunk of face-to-face competition with other conferences.
It isn't the final answer in conferences, but it means a good bit.
The bowl season is 36% of the B1G's OOC P5 games. It is a big chunk of face-to-face competition with other conferences.
It isn't the final answer in conferences, but it means a good bit.
tOSU's resume is better, winning 3 out of 4 against teams in the top 15 and conference champ. Alabama played one team in the top 15 and lost so they really didn't prove much on the field this year. Alabama's best win was LSU who lost to Troy. That doesn't mean they aren't a good team they just didn't prove anything on the field which should be a requirement.
Ya agree, B1G has had a good showing, but the following also need to be kept in mind:
* 4/8 matchups against Pac12 teams (Pac12 has worst bowl record)
* 7/8 matchups - favored by Vegas
* 1 matchup against SEC (9-3 Northwestern against 7-5 Kentucky)
* 0 matchups against Big12 (Big 12 5-2 bowl record; 80% of teams in bowls)
The way the bowl season has played could, provides support that B1G in top tier and Pac12 in bottom tier of conferences.
No moral victories are needed when you end up being the cause of many Buckeye tears. Then again that may have given Alabama another National Title. Eh, take care of your business Urban or maybe whine and complain like Saban.
What do you think is a reasonable expectation next year? I don't know what Wisconsin has returning but I don't think they will fall off the map. Nebraska has some talent but we don't know how fast Frost can implement his culture. Who knows how good Northwestern or Purdue will be but each surprised this year and the boat rowers are "elite".
You didn't ask but I will answer, sorry.
8-4 with an Offense that is rated between 50-70th in scoring. The defense is going to take half a step back early IMO and to ask a unit, that has consistently be the weak link, to be "average" and pull some more weight is not too much to ask.
LOL 7-0 is 7-0 bro, the B12 hasn't beat anybody impressive yet either. I mean Memphis, Stanford, Missouri, UCLA, Virginia Tech, none of those are anything to write home about.
So half of the B12 wins are against Pac 12 teams and the B12 is also the only conference to lose to the Pac 12.
That is the best argument in favor of Ohio State that anyone has given.
However, Alabama did beat a team in the Top 15 this season when they won their opener against then #3 FSU. Just saying. However, you are correct in that Ohio State has more wins against teams in the Top 15 than Alabama. But you know who else has more wins against teams in the Top 15 than Alabama? Iowa State. Lol. Just saying.
It all boils down to that 31 point loss at Iowa. That's a pretty huge blemish on the resume and too hard to overlook.
Ya, West Virginia starting QB missed the last 3 games of the season with a dislocated finger and did not play in loss to Utah. Otherwise, Big 12 would be 6-1.
How bad is the Big12 to have a team that lost to a PAC12 team?
So your saying they had plenty of time to get another QB ready? Northwestern lost Thorson early in the bowl game and still won.Ya, West Virginia starting QB missed the last 3 games of the season with a dislocated finger and did not play in loss to Utah. Otherwise, Big 12 would be 6-1.
Ya, West Virginia starting QB missed the last 3 games of the season with a dislocated finger and did not play in loss to Utah. Otherwise, Big 12 would be 6-1.
Northwestern lost their starting QB in the first quarter and still won, good teams overcome. Plus come on they were playing a garbage Pac-12 team, no excuse not to beat a team from that conference? And didn't K-State beat UCLA minus Josh Rosen, I guess we shouldn't really count that win.
Ya cmon Rocky, let's not do one game comparisons or I'll have to bring up how our Alpha man handled your Alpha 31-16, lol
Ya, clearly West Virginia is not like Northwestern or Iowa State and plug in another QBSo your saying they had plenty of time to get another QB ready? Northwestern lost Thorson early in the bowl game and still won.
If I recall though, Northwestern (9-3) did have a favorable matchup against a Kentucky (7-5) team
You cannot assume that. Twist things all you want little brother. The B1G is a stronger conference than the BIG12. Period.Ya, West Virginia starting QB missed the last 3 games of the season with a dislocated finger and did not play in loss to Utah. Otherwise, Big 12 would be 6-1.
As of today, the B1G is 14-5 against P5 opponents this year. The BIG12 is just 8-7. Try to come up with an excuse for each game little bro.
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Naw, let's look at overall conference records against each other. B10 wins there. Record against other power conferences, B10 is 14-5, the second best is the B12 at a very distant 8-7. You're out of your element here Nellie, get back to CF where you can live in a fantasy world where facts don't matter.
At least they were both power 5 teamsYa, clearly West Virginia is not like Northwestern or Iowa State and plug in another QB
