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Again, I don't think there's anyone better than Tom Brands, but I definitely think our supporting cast needs to be adjusted. We've got Terry and then great guys who are TNT clones. We need diversity on our coaching staff...and I'm not talking men, women, black, white; I'm talking diversity in the wrestling backgrounds whether they come from PSU, Cornell, etc., I don't care. We need guys who can relate to these new recruits we need and we need guys (like Spencer and Kem), who are all about some offense.
I’m not sure any of that would help with such a strong personality at the top.
 
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Again, I don't think there's anyone better than Tom Brands, but I definitely think our supporting cast needs to be adjusted. We've got Terry and then great guys who are TNT clones. We need diversity on our coaching staff...and I'm not talking men, women, black, white; I'm talking diversity in the wrestling backgrounds whether they come from PSU, Cornell, etc., I don't care. We need guys who can relate to these new recruits we need and we need guys (like Spencer and Kem), who are all about some offense.
I usually like your takes, but I think you're off on this one. I have this video set to start at 24:32. You should listen for about one minute and let me know if you think your suggestion could work.

 
Ah. So it’s not a loyalty thing it’s a small d!ck thing. Makes sense.
It's a grudge after the way the Nit fans behaved over the last few years. No Nits.
If that seems like a "small dick" thing to you, then so be it.
 
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Just imagine if Gary Kurdlemeyer had a “No Clone” rule.
Why? Did the Clones ever attack and disparage Spencer Lee so personally?
I'm loyal to State of Iowa guys, but I do understand that good talent comes from everywhere.
I'm even okay with Lock Haven or Pitt or Penn. It's not an anti- PA thing. No Nits.
 
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Why? Did the Clones ever attack and disparage Spencer Lee so personally?
I'm loyal to State of Iowa guys, but I do understand that good talent comes from everywhere.
I'm even okay with Lock Haven or Pitt or Penn. It's not an anti- PA thing. No Nits.
seth meyers GIF
 
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Why? Did the Clones ever attack and disparage Spencer Lee so personally?
I'm loyal to State of Iowa guys, but I do understand that good talent comes from everywhere.
I'm even okay with Lock Haven or Pitt or Penn. It's not an anti- PA thing. No Nits.
So if Iowa said tomorrow that DT was being hired as head assistant this summer after the Olympics, you would scream bloody murder because what?? He is a Nit? You would rather Iowa suffer long term to hurt whom may I ask? DT? DT will be okay without Iowa or anyone else. So who are you spiting except yourself and your team with your misplaced pride? You make no sense. It's EXACTLY the same as me not wanting Cael because he was from the state of Iowa. Who gives a rats behind that DT is from PSU? I'll take a great hire all day ever day as long as he bleeds for my team. Even an Iowa guy.
 
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So if Iowa said tomorrow that DT was being hired as head asst this summer after the Olympics, you would scream bloody murder because what?? He is a Nit? You would rather Iowa suffer long term to hurt whom may I ask? DT? DT will be okay without Iowa. So who are you spiting except yourself and your team with your misplaced pride. You make no sense. It's EXACTLY the same as me not wanting Cael because he was from the state of Iowa. Who gives a rats behind that DT is from PSU? I'll take a great hire all day ever day as long as he bleeds for my team. Even an Iowa guy.
I’m not a PSU fan nor a DT fan, but I’d take him as head assistant in a heart beat. We need new blood from OUTSIDE the program, imo.
 
It's a grudge after the way the Nit fans behaved over the last few years. No Nits.
If that seems like a "small dick" thing to you, then so be it.
I’m glad you can admit it because refusing to entertain some of the biggest current names in the sport based on what some idiot fans did is one of the most juvenile and idiotic things I think I’ve ever heard. Get the fvck over yourself.
 
Again, I don't think there's anyone better than Tom Brands, but I definitely think our supporting cast needs to be adjusted. We've got Terry and then great guys who are TNT clones. We need diversity on our coaching staff...and I'm not talking men, women, black, white; I'm talking diversity in the wrestling backgrounds whether they come from PSU, Cornell, etc., I don't care. We need guys who can relate to these new recruits we need and we need guys (like Spencer and Kem), who are all about some offense.
Yes, keep Tom move Terry to the HWC and get 3 new younger assistants with names that high school wrestlers know and want to emulate…
 
Yes, keep Tom move Terry to the HWC and get 3 new younger assistants with names that high school wrestlers know and want to emulate…
I wish it were that easy. Assistants do what they’re told, for the most part. It looks like we’re going to have to get used to the currrent order until TnT decide to retire.
 
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I’m not a PSU fan nor a DT fan, but I’d take him as head assistant in a heart beat. We need new blood from OUTSIDE the program, imo.
So Dub, they've worked you up into a lather too? The desperation of many of you is kind of sad, imo.
 
I’m glad you can admit it because refusing to entertain some of the biggest current names in the sport based on what some idiot fans did is one of the most juvenile and idiotic things I think I’ve ever heard. Get the fvck over yourself.
Same to you. :)
 
I usually like your takes, but I think you're off on this one. I have this video set to start at 24:32. You should listen for about one minute and let me know if you think your suggestion could work.

Thanks for sharing, my friend. After listening, I'm still of the same opinion that Tom's the man and we need to shake up the staff. Tom is correct that they all have to be in lockstep when they walk out of the coaches office...that's leadership 101. That said, we need some hungry personalities with varying perspectives that can tell Tom some shit that he needs to hear behind closed doors...and guys who can bring these top tier recruits to Iowa City. And I'm not bashing anyone on the staff when I say this, because everyone on the staff has impressive credentials and clearly did exponentially better than me in sports at all levels. Hell, I'm one of those guys that try to stay pretty humble because I only wrestled a year in HS (and sucked horribly) and never in college. However, I'm a huge fan and I watch religously and I contribute religiously because I love our wrestling program. That said, if I'm a top tier recruit and someone's trying to recruit me that someone better have some serious name recongnition and perhaps more serious credentials, and we just don't have that beyond TnT. And TnT are getting a little old if you will to relate to these kids other than as father figures and of course champions. In the end I think we need a staff shakeup. We have studs on our staff; however, we need the next level of studs!! IMO we need name recognition and it sure would help if they tasted the gold...
 
I think it has much more to do with Brands' training system than with assistant coaches' names helping in recruiting (although I don't think that would hurt matters). I've posted about this at-length elsewhere. I had stated that a large proportion of Brands' wrestlers stagnate or even regress after spending multiple years in Brands' program. I decided to test my theory and found the following regarding Brands' All-Americans:

# of Iowa wrestlers to AA during Brands' tenure at the helm:
40

*Technically 39, but I included Tsirtsis because he AA’d for Zalesky and spent 3 years in Brands’ system after that.

# of Iowa wrestlers to wrestle for Brands for longer than two seasons and AA during Brands' tenure at the helm:
34

*Mark Perry, Eric Luedke, Matt Fields, Pat Lugo, Jaydin Eierman, and Real Woods wrestled for 2 seasons or fewer for Brands and therefore were not included in my analysis (although it is notable that Eierman DNP'd as a Senior at Iowa due to injury).

9 of 34 wrestlers had their highest (or joint-highest) NCAA finish as a Senior AND only improved/matched their previous best NCAA finish throughout their careers. These wrestlers are as follows:
Luke Lofthouse
Sammy Brooks
Dan Dennis
Nathan Burak
Tony Ramos
Cory Clark
Austin DeSanto
Max Murin
Nelson Brands (counting last season as his Senior season, as he is ineligible this season)

5 of 34 wrestlers had their highest (or joint-highest) NCAA finish as a Senior, but fell down/off the podium between their initial AA finish and their best (or joint-best) finish Senior year (or stagnated further down the podium in the case of Mike Evans in 6th place). These wrestlers are as follows:
Alex Marinelli (6,7,DNP,5)
Jay Borschel (3,DNP,1)
Mike Evans (6,6,6)
Brent Metcalf (1,2,1)
Montell Marion (2,4,2)

20 of 34 wrestlers did not have their highest finish as a Senior. These wrestlers are as follows:
Sam Stoll
Alex Tsirtsis
Grant Gambrall
Alex Meyer
Joey Slaton
Spencer Lee
Dan Erekson
Ethen Lofthouse
Ryan Morningstar
Michael Kemmerer
Charlie Falck
Bobby Telford
Phil Keddy
Matt McDonough
Brandon Sorenson
Derek St. John
Thomas Gilman
Keleb Young
Jacob Warner
Tony Cassioppi (counting last season as his senior season, as he is ineligible this season)

Key Takeaways:
*21 of 40 Brands AAs did not achieve their best NCAA placement as a Senior.
*20 of 34 Brands AAs who were in the program for more than 2 seasons did not achieve their best NCAA placement as a Senior.


I have not crunched the numbers like this for any other program or coach (including PSU/Sanderson), but I think these numbers are staggering and reveal a significant trend and a major problem with Brands' training system. I'm interested to get others' opinions on it though. What do we think?
All is good but your analysis takes away the seeding at Nationals, and seeding is often times crucial at such tournaments... For example, how many times was Marinelli screwed up with seeding at Nationals...
 
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All is good but your analysis takes away the seeding at Nationals, and seeding is often times crucial at such tournaments... For example, how many times was Marinelli screwed up with seeding at Nationals...
I concur that one year he got the super hose job and another year he got somewhat of a hose job. However, the only way to the championship is to run througbh the field just like he did at B10s. I'm not sure what seemed to happen to Alex at NCAAs but he always seemed off a bit. Some say injuried and to that I don't know either way, but he didn't seem as game during NCAAs. Also, in my very humble opinion as I'm probably the least qualified person on here, it appeared Alex seemed to count too much on his defense to carry the day and didn't use his offense to win the day.
 
I’m still here and I’ll gladly eat crow if we keep wrestling like that. I know PSU is a different beast than OKST, but I don’t think I’ve seen us wrestle that free and aggressive in a long time. Our guys looked fast, explosive, and brave in that dual. It was awesome.

They looked “brave”? 😂
 
Hear me out. Trent Hidlay in as an assistant. Could you imagine those two on a bench. In Carver!!! And, you get a pretty substantial recruiting asset. That's some freaking energy.
 
there is a small town in Central Pennsylvania called MORAN and they have a drinking establishment called the Moran Club...it used to be for males only but is now open to males and females to join and be a Moran member
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there is a small town in Central Pennsylvania called MORAN and they have a drinking establishment called the Moran Club...it used to be for males only but is now open to males and females to join and be a Moran member
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Been through Morann before. Not much to see.
 
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