Carl Sagan on the Existence of God
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They were forced to. Guards surrounded them and shot those that attempted to escape.
But...God resurrected Jesus...and Jesus is God...so God resurrected Lazarus...making Lazarus divine.
If A = B and B = C, then A = C. Transitive property of divinity.
More lol...if Jesus resurrected himself, he wasn't dead.
Jim Jones used armed guards and threats to force 'suicides.'
Inside Jonestown: How Jim Jones Trapped Followers and Forced 'Suicides' | HISTORY
The 918 deaths in Guyana under cult leader Jim Jones were more mass murder than suicide.
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Jesus was dead...he was brutally scourged then nailed to the cross.
No victim of a Roman crucifixion survived which is what makes Jesus so unique in history.
Ask Jesus to save you when you're dead and you will see.
Well, one of us is discussing this from a singular perspective. You have the meaning of ignorance backwards, here.
So... just so I'm clear... you're arguing that the people who committed suicide at Jonestown, ALL did it against their will???Jim Jones used armed guards and threats to force 'suicides.'
Inside Jonestown: How Jim Jones Trapped Followers and Forced 'Suicides' | HISTORY
The 918 deaths in Guyana under cult leader Jim Jones were more mass murder than suicide.
From the WaPo article linked in your post:Jim Jones used armed guards and threats to force 'suicides.'
Inside Jonestown: How Jim Jones Trapped Followers and Forced 'Suicides' | HISTORY
The 918 deaths in Guyana under cult leader Jim Jones were more mass murder than suicide.
[Odell] Rhodes is the only known survivor of Jonestown who witnessed a part of the suicide rite before managing to escape. He was helping Guyanese authorities identify the dead yesterday.
Most of those who drank the deadly potion served to them by a Jonestown doctor, Lawrence Schact, and by nurses, did so willingly, Rhodes said. Mothers would often give the cyanide to their own children before taking it themselves, he said.
Sooo...Jesus was resurrected by God...and Jesus IS God...and Jesus/God resurrected a very dead Lazarus...making Lazarus divine.
I did. I've actually read a lot more than that article, regarding the Jonestown event.
I'm not following that logic.
How old are you?
What do you think will happen after you die?
What part of "...did so willingly" as stated by an eyewitness is confusing you?
There is no prize in that box of cereal. I don't care how many times you shake it!
To the first point, the bible mentions many people rising from the grave. Lazarus is a famous case, but he was just one of several that Jesus rose from the dead. Elisha raised himself out of his gave, as well as some others. Elijah did the same. As Hitchen's said, people rising from the dead was a bit of a banality in the bible.
To the second point, deranged people die for reasons that are completely fabricated all the time.
The logic is unassailable. You claimed that the resurrection of Jesus was proof of his divinity. I'm simply pointing out that Jesus/God also resurrected Lazarus. It's your logic that makes Lazarus divine.
No because Lazarus was only resurrected because of Christ.
What do you think will happen when you die in a couple decades?
Jesus's followers were not deranged, though. They were skeptics until they saw the Risen Lord.
In neither of those does Jesus claim to be God.
"And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven." ... And you will see the Son of Man seated in the place of power at God's right hand and coming on the clouds of heaven."
"When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, 'Son, your sins are forgiven.'"
Not much mention of resurrection there.
Seated on clouds sounds dangerous. Then again, they probably didn't know what clouds were made from at the time.
What? Your first statement makes zero difference in your logic. As for your second, no one knows the answer.
You just said no one knows our eternal fate.
Don't forget to ask Jesus to save you.
You're welcome. 🙂
That isn't really true since the Catholic "filter" is free will.
All day, every day! But, I don't have conditions.You're the one that claimed you are God
Catholics made guilt a virtue.
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