Also, congrats on becoming a father (soon)...some of the best advice I've ever received on HROT was to enjoy your private poops while you can, because they won't exist in another year or two. Also, my two cents after going through it a couple times....don't worry about what all the books/experts say you should be doing. Kids do most things great once they're ready to, and every kid is different. Figure out what works for you and your child and go with it...eff the experts.
Close friend pleading with me to not vaccinate our baby
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"intelligence" does not necessarily mean "common sense", nor "experience". You can be 'smart', but if you don't know where to get your objective information, you can still be ignorant.
Find a pediatrician you trust, get their opinion and take their advice. That is after all their job. I think the Information Age while great in so many ways has created a bunch of holiday inn express experts.
I am not saying hey are right on the matter of vaccinations but the anti vaccine crowd in my experience is not a bunch of dummies as a whole, they typically are more well read than the average parent who goes through the vaccines. I will use me as an example, I knew little if anything about vaccinations when our children had their first doctor visit. I trusted the doctor was doing right by my child. I generally still feel that way as I am not a doctor and no amount of internet or book browsing will change that.
Yes, they are.
They are duped by faked data. That's not "smart" in any definition I'm aware of....
You did see that I don't think they are right, but that doesn't make them dumb.
Hey..not all chiropractors are anti vaccine....I"m pro vaccine..but opted to not get the kids chicken pox vaccine? HPV vaccine will be up to my daughter and son
When they can be duped by simple mismatched data sets, they are clearly not 'smart'. Deciding to take your "information" from Jenny McCarthy over the AMA, CDC and Pediatrics societies, that doesn't seem too 'smart'.
So, yes, they are either "dumb" or just "ignorant" and too stubborn to learn something that challenges their 'beliefs. Ignorance is not having the information or access to the information; Dumb is having access but simply ignoring or disregarding it. That makes them 'dumb'.
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Yea, obviously his kids are not vaccinated. It might be hard, but I wouldn't let my kids around his kids, therefore it may be time to end this friendship.
350 freaking medical & health-related organizations!!!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rrent-vaccines-safety/?utm_term=.697ce0340e01
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-Vaccine-Safety-Letter-to-President-Trump.pdf
Signed by:
National Organizations
Academic Pediatric Association
Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics
African American Ministers In Action
AIDS Alliance for Women, Infants, Children, Youth & Families
The AIDS Institute
Alliance for Aging Research
American Academy of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology
American Academy of Family Physicians
American Academy of Neurology
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Academy of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation
American Academy of Physician Assistants
American Association for Dental Research
American Association for the Study of Liver Disease
American Association of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
American Association of Colleges of Osteopathic Medicine
American Association of Colleges of Pharmacy
American Association of Immunologists
American Association of Occupational Health Nurses
American Association of Poison Control Centers
AASA, The School Superintendents Association
American Association on Health and Disability
American College of Osteopathic Family Physicians
American College of Osteopathic Internists
American College of Physicians
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
American Dental Association
American Group Psychotherapy Association
American Lung Association
American Medical Association
American Nurses Association
American Osteopathic Association
American Pediatric Society
American Pediatric Surgical Association
American Pharmacists Association
American Psychological Association
American Public Health Association
American School Health Association
American Sexual Health Association
American Society for Microbiology
The American Society of Clinical Oncology
American Society of Hematology
American Society of Pediatric Otolaryngology
American Thoracic Society
Americans for Democratic Action
The Andrew McDonough B+ Foundation
The Arc of the United States
Asian & Pacific Islander American Health Forum
Association for Ambulatory Behavioral Healthcare
Association for Asian Pacific Community Health Organizations
Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology
Association of American Medical Colleges
Association of Community Health Nursing Educators
Association of Educational Service Agencies
Association of Immunization Managers
Association of Maternal & Child Health Programs
Association of Medical School Pediatric Department Chairs
Association of Public Health Laboratories
Association of School Business Officials International
Association of Schools and Programs of Public Health
Association of Women's Health, Obstetric and Neonatal Nurses
Association of University Centers on Disabilities
Autism Science Foundation
Autistic Self Advocacy Network
Autism Speaks
AVAC (AIDS Vaccine Advocacy Coalition)
Birth Defects Research and Education Foundation
Bridge the Gap- SYNGAP Education and Research Foundation
Center for Hunger-Free Communities - Drexel University
ChangeLab Solutions
Child Welfare League of America
Children and Adults with Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (CHADD)
Children's Brain Tumor Foundation
Children's Cause for Cancer Advocacy
...(snip - see link for full list)
8 PAGES WORTH OF KNOWLEDGEABLE ORGANIZATIONS!!!!
And you're gonna listen to freaking Jenny McCarthy?!!!???
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rrent-vaccines-safety/?utm_term=.697ce0340e01
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-Vaccine-Safety-Letter-to-President-Trump.pdf
Signed by:
National Organizations
Academic Pediatric Association
Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics
African American Ministers In Action
AIDS Alliance for Women, Infants, Children, Youth & Families
The AIDS Institute
Alliance for Aging Research
American Academy of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology
American Academy of Family Physicians
American Academy of Neurology
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Academy of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation
American Academy of Physician Assistants
American Association for Dental Research
American Association for the Study of Liver Disease
American Association of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
American Association of Colleges of Osteopathic Medicine
American Association of Colleges of Pharmacy
American Association of Immunologists
American Association of Occupational Health Nurses
American Association of Poison Control Centers
AASA, The School Superintendents Association
American Association on Health and Disability
American College of Osteopathic Family Physicians
American College of Osteopathic Internists
American College of Physicians
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
American Dental Association
American Group Psychotherapy Association
American Lung Association
American Medical Association
American Nurses Association
American Osteopathic Association
American Pediatric Society
American Pediatric Surgical Association
American Pharmacists Association
American Psychological Association
American Public Health Association
American School Health Association
American Sexual Health Association
American Society for Microbiology
The American Society of Clinical Oncology
American Society of Hematology
American Society of Pediatric Otolaryngology
American Thoracic Society
Americans for Democratic Action
The Andrew McDonough B+ Foundation
The Arc of the United States
Asian & Pacific Islander American Health Forum
Association for Ambulatory Behavioral Healthcare
Association for Asian Pacific Community Health Organizations
Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology
Association of American Medical Colleges
Association of Community Health Nursing Educators
Association of Educational Service Agencies
Association of Immunization Managers
Association of Maternal & Child Health Programs
Association of Medical School Pediatric Department Chairs
Association of Public Health Laboratories
Association of School Business Officials International
Association of Schools and Programs of Public Health
Association of Women's Health, Obstetric and Neonatal Nurses
Association of University Centers on Disabilities
Autism Science Foundation
Autistic Self Advocacy Network
Autism Speaks
AVAC (AIDS Vaccine Advocacy Coalition)
Birth Defects Research and Education Foundation
Bridge the Gap- SYNGAP Education and Research Foundation
Center for Hunger-Free Communities - Drexel University
ChangeLab Solutions
Child Welfare League of America
Children and Adults with Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (CHADD)
Children's Brain Tumor Foundation
Children's Cause for Cancer Advocacy
...(snip - see link for full list)
8 PAGES WORTH OF KNOWLEDGEABLE ORGANIZATIONS!!!!
And you're gonna listen to freaking Jenny McCarthy?!!!???
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You make great points but she is really hot. So not sure... Nope, I'm sure. The OP's friend is at best acting stupidly. But, he just might be really stupid.350 freaking medical & health-related organizations!!!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rrent-vaccines-safety/?utm_term=.697ce0340e01
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-Vaccine-Safety-Letter-to-President-Trump.pdf
Signed by:
National Organizations
Academic Pediatric Association
Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics
African American Ministers In Action
AIDS Alliance for Women, Infants, Children, Youth & Families
The AIDS Institute
Alliance for Aging Research
American Academy of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology
American Academy of Family Physicians
American Academy of Neurology
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Academy of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation
American Academy of Physician Assistants
American Association for Dental Research
American Association for the Study of Liver Disease
American Association of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
American Association of Colleges of Osteopathic Medicine
American Association of Colleges of Pharmacy
American Association of Immunologists
American Association of Occupational Health Nurses
American Association of Poison Control Centers
AASA, The School Superintendents Association
American Association on Health and Disability
American College of Osteopathic Family Physicians
American College of Osteopathic Internists
American College of Physicians
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
American Dental Association
American Group Psychotherapy Association
American Lung Association
American Medical Association
American Nurses Association
American Osteopathic Association
American Pediatric Society
American Pediatric Surgical Association
American Pharmacists Association
American Psychological Association
American Public Health Association
American School Health Association
American Sexual Health Association
American Society for Microbiology
The American Society of Clinical Oncology
American Society of Hematology
American Society of Pediatric Otolaryngology
American Thoracic Society
Americans for Democratic Action
The Andrew McDonough B+ Foundation
The Arc of the United States
Asian & Pacific Islander American Health Forum
Association for Ambulatory Behavioral Healthcare
Association for Asian Pacific Community Health Organizations
Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology
Association of American Medical Colleges
Association of Community Health Nursing Educators
Association of Educational Service Agencies
Association of Immunization Managers
Association of Maternal & Child Health Programs
Association of Medical School Pediatric Department Chairs
Association of Public Health Laboratories
Association of School Business Officials International
Association of Schools and Programs of Public Health
Association of Women's Health, Obstetric and Neonatal Nurses
Association of University Centers on Disabilities
Autism Science Foundation
Autistic Self Advocacy Network
Autism Speaks
AVAC (AIDS Vaccine Advocacy Coalition)
Birth Defects Research and Education Foundation
Bridge the Gap- SYNGAP Education and Research Foundation
Center for Hunger-Free Communities - Drexel University
ChangeLab Solutions
Child Welfare League of America
Children and Adults with Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (CHADD)
Children's Brain Tumor Foundation
Children's Cause for Cancer Advocacy
...(snip - see link for full list)
8 PAGES WORTH OF KNOWLEDGEABLE ORGANIZATIONS!!!!
And you're gonna listen to freaking Jenny McCarthy?!!!???
This. I am personally opposed to vaccinating and feel they are harmful and unnecessary. That said, nobody has the right to offer you unwanted parenting advice so if he's a real friend he shouldn't be offended when you tell him to piss off.
Anti vaxers are morons of the highest sort. Their opinions should never be taken seriously. They should be charged with child abuse and have their parenting rights revoked.
Maybe they should take away your soon-to-be medical license considering you're giving health advice and you're fat.
Seems to me the anti vaccine crowd is benefiting greatly from those that do.
If nobody did it seems like your a have an opportunity for a disaster.
If nobody did it seems like your a have an opportunity for a disaster.
Look at him, with a deadpan face, and tell him that each time he reminds you about the vaccination issue that you'll inoculate your child with another vaccine. Even the really weird, unnecessary stuff, like vaccines for droopy cow buttholes. Tell him that your child has the anus of a cow and that vaccines are his only hope if he wants to stay pert and relevant.
He got PWNED pretty badly on his misleading links (which I've already alluded to here). Maybe he actually learned something....
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....
...nah!
There is no controversy, OP. Just science vs. nutjobs, again.
Wait, you feel they are harmful and unnecessary, but all those doctors who know they prevent disease are wrong?
And everyone has the right to offer you parenting advice, wanted or unwanted. Have you watched daytime TV or been to a bookstore lately? There are literally thousands of people offering you parenting advice. You have the right to heed it or ignore it, but to say they don't have the right to offer it is absurd.
Nope; sorry. I don't feel any obligation to explain my philosophies to anyone with the exception of my wife and children.
Poke away, and best of luck to you.
Soon to be? Son I've had a license for a couple years. And you just insulted your way out of any Percocet or Viagra. I hope you're happy.
Which doctors?
Between 2005 and 2010, the proportion of French people in favour or very in favour of vaccination dropped from 90% to 60% (2013 INPES Peretti-Watel health barometer). The percentage of French people between the ages of 18 and 75 who are anti-vaccination increased from 8.5% in 2005 to 38.2% in 2010. In 2005, 58% of doctors questioned the usefulness of vaccines administered to children while 31% of doctors were expressing doubts about vaccine safety. These figures must surely have increased since (1).
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/france-opting-out-of-vaccines/
With our open border and sanctuary city policies of the last 8 years, it's more important than ever to vaccinate your children. We have no idea where millions of people have come from, or what diseases they carry with them. One more reason to get control of our borders.....now.
Six diseases that were recently near eradication are making a comeback in the United States, as the taxpayer funded refugee resettlement industry launches a propaganda blitz about the so-called World Refugee Day this Monday.
The returning diseases are;
1. Tuberculosis
2. Measles
3. Whooping Cough
4. Mumps
5. Scarlet Fever
6. Bubonic Plague
The near eradication of these diseases in the United States during the twentieth century was a remarkable accomplishment of American civilization. Until recently, most Americans believed these diseases were gone from our shores for good.
But a politicized public health system, and a rise in the subsidized migration into the United States, however, have combined to reverse a century of progress.
The number of foreign-born residents of the country has increased by 31 million in three decades, from 11 million in 1986 to 42 million in 2015. Immigration to the United States during this period has come from Middle Eastern, African, Asian, South American and Central American countries where all these diseases are prevalent. The extra 31 million have arrived in a number of ways: approximately 3 million are refugees, 11 million are illegal immigrants, and the remainder are legal immigrants, asylees, and parolees
Six diseases that were recently near eradication are making a comeback in the United States, as the taxpayer funded refugee resettlement industry launches a propaganda blitz about the so-called World Refugee Day this Monday.
The returning diseases are;
1. Tuberculosis
2. Measles
3. Whooping Cough
4. Mumps
5. Scarlet Fever
6. Bubonic Plague
The near eradication of these diseases in the United States during the twentieth century was a remarkable accomplishment of American civilization. Until recently, most Americans believed these diseases were gone from our shores for good.
But a politicized public health system, and a rise in the subsidized migration into the United States, however, have combined to reverse a century of progress.
The number of foreign-born residents of the country has increased by 31 million in three decades, from 11 million in 1986 to 42 million in 2015. Immigration to the United States during this period has come from Middle Eastern, African, Asian, South American and Central American countries where all these diseases are prevalent. The extra 31 million have arrived in a number of ways: approximately 3 million are refugees, 11 million are illegal immigrants, and the remainder are legal immigrants, asylees, and parolees
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