Close friend pleading with me to not vaccinate our baby
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Which doctors?
Between 2005 and 2010, the proportion of French people in favour or very in favour of vaccination dropped from 90% to 60% (2013 INPES Peretti-Watel health barometer). The percentage of French people between the ages of 18 and 75 who are anti-vaccination increased from 8.5% in 2005 to 38.2% in 2010. In 2005, 58% of doctors questioned the usefulness of vaccines administered to children while 31% of doctors were expressing doubts about vaccine safety. These figures must surely have increased since (1).
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/france-opting-out-of-vaccines/
Like we've posted....HUNDREDS of medical organizations back vaccination. I have no clue where you get your whackjob numbers, but it's not from any reliable medical organization. Go read thru the list that sent a letter to Trump directly. 350 medical and health-related organzations.
I 'get it'; you're a nutjob that places his "beliefs" over sound science. Science isn't founded on 'beliefs'; its foundation is based on 'empirical evidence'. Unfortunately you cannot comprehend the difference...
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Sorry I'm not obligated to believe any of that fake statistical BS you posted.Which doctors?
Between 2005 and 2010, the proportion of French people in favour or very in favour of vaccination dropped from 90% to 60% (2013 INPES Peretti-Watel health barometer). The percentage of French people between the ages of 18 and 75 who are anti-vaccination increased from 8.5% in 2005 to 38.2% in 2010. In 2005, 58% of doctors questioned the usefulness of vaccines administered to children while 31% of doctors were expressing doubts about vaccine safety. These figures must surely have increased since (1).
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/france-opting-out-of-vaccines/
It's not 'my BS'. And you're correct; you are not obligated to believe it at all. That's kind of the point.
I would say she is every bit the reliable source on vaccines as Donny Boy is on constitutional government. In fact, maybe a bit more so.Jenny McCarthy graduated "Summa Cum Laude" from Harvard Medical School.
Surely, she is a reliable source on vaccines
SIAP
Smart vax schedule as opposed to a max vax schedule may be the answer for you and your family. Good luck with your choice.
http://smartvax.org/
Smart vax schedule as opposed to a max vax schedule may be the answer for you and your family. Good luck with your choice.
http://smartvax.org/
Not worth being open minded to those anti-science. Science seeks the truth. Even when it is wrong, it eventually corrects itself.
I see you are still very adept at hurling insults. It also goes without saying that you're second to none at pointing out your intellectual superiority over the great unwashed of HROT when it comes to the subject of vaccines. And questioning the financial motives of the 350 'medical' groups that expressed their unequivocal support of vaccines to the POTUS is obviously above your pay scale.
Some things never change. You deserve an 'A' for consistency.
CDC recommends the first dosing starts at age 11 or 12. When are you going to give them the option? If they have sex in high school they may already be exposed.
Unfortunately, no it doesn't. 'Science' seeks money, just like every other group does. Even though we wish that it were pure as the wind-driven snow it's simply not true.
Fraudulent Scientific Research Exposed by Medical Journal Editors and Professors
Look at what numerous key experts are saying about this epidemic of fraudulent scientific research. Dr. Richard Horton is the current editor-in-chief of the British Lancet journal, which is respected as one of the best peer-reviewed medical journals in the world. He came out and stated:
“The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness.”
Then look at what Marcia Angell, former editor-in-chief of the esteemed New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM), had to say about the pervasive fraudulent scientific research:
“It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines … I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.”
Dr. John P.A. Ioannidis, a professor of disease prevention at Stanford University, published a study in a PLoS One paper entitled Why Most Published Research Findings Are False. He found that research conclusions are less likely to be true when study samples sizes are too small, when effect sizes are even smaller, and when there are major variances in study designs, definitions, outcomes and analytical modes. He highlighted the corrupting influence of Big Pharma and concluded that:
“There is increasing concern that most current published research findings are false … it is more likely for a research claim to be false than true.”
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/08/07/most-western-scientific-medical-research-is-fraudulent/
Daughter is 12, son is 15....he's not active yet, we talk about stuff like that frequently, perhaps more than I'd I hadn't been divorced.
Although I can't disagree with you or the people your quoting, this is not the heart of the issue. <5% of scientists are unethical. Same as cops, teachers, business owners, etc. The problem you have is lack of government and philanthropic funding of research. We have cut R+D so badly, funding to medical schools, grant programs etc that people are desperate to do anything they can to get funding. Doesn't make it correct or true. Now people rely on big pharma to fund research. However, those same antiscience people cry about conflict of interest but don't want to invest a dime in pure research.
I sincerely hope you get electricity in this century.You're correct: they saw a void and they filled it (and their bank balances too).
Ugghhhh. I hate sarcasm. Now I'll be up all night trying to ascertain what you truly and sincerely hope I get.
PS I wonder who on HROT will collect the $100 000 from the two Bobby's on their vaccine challenge? Like takin' candy from a baby, no?
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/222...offer-100k-prize-for-proof-of-vaccine-safety/
Ugghhhh. I hate sarcasm. Now I'll be up all night trying to ascertain what you truly and sincerely hope I get.
PS I wonder who on HROT will collect the $100 000 from the two Bobby's on their vaccine challenge? Like takin' candy from a baby, no?
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/222...offer-100k-prize-for-proof-of-vaccine-safety/
I'll give them a dollar if they can prove water is safe.
The second lady here your friend's wife?
You should punch your friend squarely and forcefully in the assneck
Certainly far more educated on the topic than you are. You deserve the insults.
And these two short sentences sum up perfectly the totality of the weapons in your cerebral arsenal.
What! You guys had a vaccine thread without me. There need to be some sort of an alert on HROT.He got PWNED pretty badly on his misleading links (which I've already alluded to here). Maybe he actually learned something....
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...nah!
If you're coming to the conclusion that vaccines cause autism, then you're either not capable of interpreting scientific literature or you're simply ignoring the evidence. In both cases, that makes you dumb regardless of "intelligence".
Ugghhhh. I hate sarcasm. Now I'll be up all night trying to ascertain what you truly and sincerely hope I get.
PS I wonder who on HROT will collect the $100 000 from the two Bobby's on their vaccine challenge? Like takin' candy from a baby, no?
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/222...offer-100k-prize-for-proof-of-vaccine-safety/
If you understand study design and how difficult it is to "prove" something, especially proving that a single chemical compound contributes to the development of a complex and likely multifactorial condition like autism, then you'd understand that $100,000 wouldn't even cover a significant portion of the study costs.
I get a flu vaccine every year since the last virulent strain I had in 1999...no flu. I guess your stupid liberal friend likes smallpox scabs and measles fever of 105.
Actually, it's incumbent upon them to prove that thimerosal IS a problem. But since they asked, here are the results from one meta-study:
Although immunization provides important benefits to public health, associated risks are inevitable. However, studies have consistently failed to identify a cause-effect relationship between thimerosal and autism. In addition, the prevalence of autism has increased despite a decrease in the thimerosal content of vaccines; this finding further suggests that there is not an association between thimerosal and autism but that the increased prevalence of autism may be attributable to improved diagnostic criteria and increased awareness of autism.22
Interestingly, I'd bet this wouldn't be accepted as "proof" by committed idiots like Kennedy and Duvall. Here's my counter-offer...I'll give each of them a billion dollars if they can demonstrate a causal link between thimerosal and autism. They have one year from today. Failing that, they owe me a million - each. Now that's some good odds.
Hime. I'm not an "anti vaxxer". I'm pro-safe vaccines. Everyone always wants to talk about how we don't want to go back to the days where everyone was in an iron lung with polio. Then those people should get the polio vaccine if they're worried about it. That's one. The trouble is the vaccine schedule has become increasingly aggressive here in the US, and our chronic disease rates are through the roof. Here's the link to the other thread. The claim that I got pwned in the other vaccine thread is almost laughable. Read through it and decide for yourself who got pwned. Pwned in my mind is a slam dunk one-sided debate with no unanswered questions, clearly leaving one side with nothing left to stand on. CLEARLY that's not what happened here: https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/contaminated-vaccines.180374/page-2#post-4120315
There are literally hundreds if not thousands of doctors and scientists that believe vaccines are causing autism and other mental, neurological and developmental disorders. Google research will find you at least hundreds, and these are only the ones that have made the huge leap to decide to speak up about it, at their own risk.
Some estimates for autism are 1 in 48 and many predict the trend to continue. Chronic disease rates are out of control. Follow the path of the crowd and you'll end up in it. Do your own research. That's the best advice I can give you.
Here are a few good links to help get you started:
http://vaccinesafetycommission.org/studies.html
Good article, backed by science that attempts to explain the vaccine-autism causal connection. Exerpt:
Question: Didn’t they already prove vaccines don’t cause autism?
If you’ve read this far, I assume you already know this is a fable. If you’re unsure, just look at this simple graphic. All those vaccine industry spokespeople who say “the science is settled” fail to mention that only one ingredient (thimerosal) and one vaccine (MMR) has ever been looked at for its relationship to autism.
No vaccine containing the aluminum adjuvant has ever been explored for its relationship to autism, despite a growing and clear body of evidence implicating aluminum adjuvant in causing “immune activation,” the central cause of autism.
Link:
Video almost 1/2 way down: http://newamericannews.com/something-nefarious-going-rfk-jr-de-niro-internet-feed/#
Vaccine debate video:
http://www.nvic.org/
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History will show time and time again though that majority opinion does not equal truth. Remember, truth is found in research, not opinion.
For some reason HROT is littered with short-tempered vaccine backers who are far better at hurling insults than carrying a meaningful debate.
We already debunked your stupid bullshit. Stop reposting it every time someone calls you out for being an idiot.
You're an 'anti-vaxxer'. Own it, moron.
No vaccine containing the aluminum adjuvant has ever been explored for its relationship to autism, despite a growing and clear body of evidence implicating aluminum adjuvant in causing “immune activation,” the central cause of autism.
Jeepers naturalborn, Dr. Paul Profit (
) has stated that aluminum is an important nutrient for baby human beings, and we all know that a man of his intellect and integrity would never, ever steer anybody wrong now would he???“Parents can be reassured that the trace quantities of aluminum in vaccines can’t possibly do harm.”-Dr Paul Offit: Vaccine promoter, vaccine patent licensor, and self-appointed autism pundit, 2015
Dr Paul Offit is a well-known vaccine advocate and doctor at the Childrens Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP), where he is director of the Vaccine Information Center.
In order to defend vaccines and vaccine safety claims, Dr. Offit must also defend the practice of injecting children with aluminum adjuvant, despite the absence of evidence for safety, and substantial evidence of harm. On the CHOP website here (CHOP – Vaccines and Aluminum), Dr Offit states the following:
Aluminum and pregnancyAluminum quantities fluctuate naturally during normal cellular activity. It is found in all tissues and is also believed to play an important role in the development of a healthy fetus. This is supported by several findings:
*During healthy pregnancies the amount of aluminum in a woman’s blood increases.
*The amount of aluminum in the blood of the fetus increases between four and a half and six months gestation and again at eight months gestation.
*At delivery, the blood of full-term infants contains more aluminum than the mother’s, but it decreases shortly after delivery.
*The blood of premature infants has more aluminum than that of full-term infants.
*The concentrations of aluminum in brain tissue are high during gestation and highest immediately after birth.
*The breast milk of moms with premature infants contains more aluminum than that of moms who carried their babies to term.”
The CHOP full statement about aluminum is here: CHOP/Offit Statement on Aluminum
In these statements Dr Offit is asserting that aluminum is a nutrient, i.e. a mineral with healthful functions in the human body. This is absolutely false. Aluminum has no healthful function in the body. It is a toxin and a toxin only. The fact that aluminum concentrations increase in the blood and change in some tissues does not in any way mean or suggest that aluminum is doing good or necessary functions. Its just moving around the body as all substances are known to do. Blood lead levels can also increase during pregnancy. Of course, this doesn’t mean that lead is a nutrient or has “an important role” in the development of a healthy fetus. The only role lead plays in a fetus is damaging the fetus. It is the same with aluminum.
These statements by Dr Offit are deceptive and unscientific. Dr Offit is deceiving those that are not well educated in nutrition or medicine. This behavior by Dr Offit is shameful.
You love this chart HIWB, don't you? It's so funny because anyone who posts it doesn't get it. I'll say this again.
People say that correlation does not equal causation, and they're right, Equal means the same as - in every way. This graph proves it. BUT. Correlation might equal causation. Everyone knows organic food was around thousands of years before the skyrocketing autism rates, so you and I both know we don't need a scientific study to prove that it's not organic food causing the problem. The problem with vaccines is the graph for vaccine rates and ASD look very similar to the above graph. Therefore that graph is evidence for vaccines being a possible cause. This notion suggests that correlation might equal causation. That's why you need good science to determine whether or not vaccines are causal. The hang up with this entire issue is that the science being done is inadequate to rule out vaccines being causal. It's completely clear that nobody can challenge this idea. That's because that's the truth - the science is lacking. HROT had it's chance in the other thread to prove otherwise, and yet all you rabid vaccine proponents can't combat it. Yet we're being told that the vaccine science has proven once and for all that it is an absolute that vaccines are not causing autism. It's done. No questions asked. That is not what science is about. Look at your history books. There's a laundry list of "settled" science that was flat. out. wrong. How many more times does it have to happen before we finally wake up? Here it's easy to indicate where the science is wrong, as I've pointed out several times in two different threads and nobody has an answer for it. Yet those who question it are all idiots and should be "deported" for questioning. It's really laughable. Hime, please do your research.
Seriously that's all you've been able to do though this entire debate. It's easy to see through you, you have no answers. Really you should consider re-considering your stance if you can't answer the questions.
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Yeah...but you're too stupid to understand the difference. That's our point.
