Close friend pleading with me to not vaccinate our baby

[Joes Place]

Lol, seriously that's all you've been able to do though this entire debate. It's easy to see through you, you have no answers. Really you should consider re-considering your stance if you can't answer the questions.

I've provided you ALL the answers. I pointed out your dipshit website couldn't even keep their datasets between the US and UK straight, which is why YOU were fooled into a completely WRONG correlation and conclusion.

You have zero science literacy. Go listen to the scientists and medical professionals. Doing your own "online research" ain't gonna work for you, because you are not knowledgeable enough to distinguish fact from fiction, correlation from causation.

Not everyone can be "smart"; the world needs ditch-diggers like you, just not to handle our vaccination policies or debates.....

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Vaccine debate video:

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http://www.nvic.org/

Dr. Haley is, quite simply, either dumb as hell or lying through his teeth. He says no one is investigating high infant mortality in the US. That's complete total bullshit. He compares infant death rates in the US to those in Sweden and somehow comes to the conclusion that it has something to do with vaccines? Seriously? How about comparing child poverty rates in the two countries..."doctor". Interesting in comparing Sweden to the US he neglected to mention that the rate of autism in the two countries is nearly identical...66/10,000 in the US versus 72/10,000 in Sweden..

Then he makes the absolutely absurd claim that only two autistic children were found among the Amish. The rate of autism among the Amish is at least 37/10,000...certainly lower but hardly non-existent as the good "doctor" would have you believe.

 

[Joes Place]

Dr. Haley is, quite simply, either dumb as hell or lying through his teeth. He says no one is investigating high infant mortality in the US. That's complete total bullshit. He compares infant death rates in the US to those in Sweden and somehow comes to the conclusion that it has something to do with vaccines? Seriously? How about comparing child poverty rates in the two countries..."doctor". Interesting in comparing Sweden to the US he neglected to mention that the rate of autism in the two countries is nearly identical...66/10,000 in the US versus 72/10,000 in Sweden..

Then he makes the absolutely absurd claim that only two autistic children were found among the Amish. The rate of autism among the Amish is at least 37/10,000...certainly lower but hardly non-existent as the good "doctor" would have you believe.

and if the recent study linking the herpes virus to autism is actually a legitimate and correct conclusion, it probably explains the Amish autism rate difference, outright. I'd have to presume herpes among the Amish is practically non-existent...at least compared to general population rates.

 

[HIWB]

You love this chart HIWB, don't you? It's so funny because anyone who posts it doesn't get it. I'll say this again.

Bully.

The trouble is the vaccine schedule has become increasingly aggressive here in the US, and our chronic disease rates are through the roof.

Change "vaccine schedule" to "consumption of GMOs" and this is verbatim what you've said in the GMO threads. What does that tell you about your confirmation bias and spurious correlations?

 

[Joes Place]

Bully.



Change "vaccine schedule" to "consumption of GMOs" and this verbatim what you've said in the GMO threads. What does that tell you about your confirmation bias and spurious correlations?

It means someone has the intellectual capacity and language skills of....

...and that's about how much sense it makes to try teach him anything...

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Bully.



Change "vaccine schedule" to "consumption of GMOs" and this is verbatim what you've said in the GMO threads. What does that tell you about your confirmation bias and spurious correlations?

It's probably a combo of the two, and probably other things too. Everything is on the table until it's not.

 

[Joes Place]

Everything is on the table until it's not.

Everything?

Hardly. Basic common sense and critical thinking left your train depot long long ago.

 

[unIowa]

My wife is 38+ weeks pregnant with child #1 and we are expecting the arrival any day. We have taken courses, read books on sleeping, etc., spent an outrageous amount of money on stroller, crib, etc. and are very excited.

I have been acutely aware of the controversy around vaccinations and an alleged link to autism, but because I had no kids, I never looked into it. From what I can tell, there have been no scientific studies that prove causation between the MMR vaccine (generally given at around 8 weeks) and autism. The anti-vaccination movement has been largely grassroots (parents of austistic kids who were supposedly healthy before the vaccine) and a Dr. Wakefield in the U.K. Hollywood types like Robert De Niro and Jenny McCarthy have also hopped on board.

Fast forward to today, a dear friend (well-educated, level-headed father of two) started pleading with me to not vaccinate. He went so far as to say that our friendship means far too much to him to allow me to make the mistake of vaccinating, and asked that I meet up with him to discuss. My friend believes that the vaccinations are a huge money-maker for "Big Pharma," who is in bed with the CDC. He is a great guy and friend, but his behavior seems almost cultish. We are both committed Christians, and he compared his pleading with me about vaccinations to sharing the Gospel of Christ with an atheist friend.

Obviously, we would not do anything that could increase the risk of our child having autism. With that said, my look at the data seems to indicate that the odds of vaccine-induced autism (or other complications) are less than the odds of contracting disease due to not vaccinating.

What say you, HROT?

Just tell him you welcome the govt microchips that will soon be injected into your new baby. Tell him bc it makes the baby easier to find in case you misplace him/her.

 

[HIWB]

It's probably a combo of the two, and probably other things too. Everything is on the table until it's not.

Very YouTubey of you.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

I've provided you ALL the answers. I pointed out your dipshit website couldn't even keep their datasets between the US and UK straight, which is why YOU were fooled into a completely WRONG correlation and conclusion.

You have zero science literacy. Go listen to the scientists and medical professionals. Doing your own "online research" ain't gonna work for you, because you are not knowledgeable enough to distinguish fact from fiction, correlation from causation.

Not everyone can be "smart"; the world needs ditch-diggers like you, just not to handle our vaccination policies or debates.....

Ok, got it. You're smart, I'm dumb, let's just call that settled and move on from that topic.

I'm reporting what vast amounts of doctors and scientists are saying. This is not something I myself have come up with. There are a lot of them, with some pretty impressive credentials.

 

[Joes Place]

I'm reporting what vast amounts of doctors and scientists are saying.

Baloney. "Vast amounts" are represented by the 300+ medical and social agencies which already signed a letter to Trump explaining vaccines are completely safe, and are essential tools in the medical arsenal.

You find the overly vocal crackpots and exaggerate their credentials and claims. Go talk with your own damn doctor. Take a printout of one of your whackjob sites. Pay him an extra $100 for (wasting) his time and have him explain it to you.

 

[unIowa]

I'm reporting what vast amounts of doctors and scientists are saying.

Baloney. "Vast amounts" are represented by the 300+ medical and social agencies which already signed a letter to Trump explaining vaccines are completely safe, and are essential tools in the medical arsenal.

You find the overly vocal crackpots and exaggerate their credentials and claims. Go talk with your own damn doctor. Take a printout of one of your whackjob sites. Pay him an extra $100 for (wasting) his time and have him explain it to you.

Joe, "many people are saying..."


Get the vaccines OP

 

[shank hawk]

They're some of the most trusted voices in the defense of vaccine safety: the American Academy of Pediatrics, Every Child By Two, and pediatrician Dr. Paul Offit.

But CBS News has found these three have something more in common - strong financial ties to the industry whose products they promote and defend.

The vaccine industry gives millions to the Academy of Pediatrics for conferences, grants, medical education classes and even helped build their headquarters. The totals are kept secret, but public documents reveal bits and pieces.

• A $342,000 payment from Wyeth, maker of the pneumococcal vaccine - which makes $2 billion a year in sales.

• A $433,000 contribution from Merck, the same year the academy endorsed Merck's HPV vaccine - which made $1.5 billion a year in sales.

• Another top donor: Sanofi Aventis, maker of 17 vaccines and a new five-in-one combo shot just added to the childhood vaccine schedule last month.
  
  Every Child By Two, a group that promotes early immunization for all children, admits the group takes money from the vaccine industry, too - but wouldn't tell us how much.
  
  A spokesman told CBS News: "There are simply no conflicts to be unearthed." But guess who's listed as the group's treasurers? Officials from Wyeth and a paid advisor to big pharmaceutical clients. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-independent-are-vaccine-defenders/

With a little research, I wouldn't be surprised to find that all 350 of the endorsers of the infamous letter Joe keeps referencing are all as financially and ethically compromised as the three named in the first sentence of the CBS article above (Yes; all three parties are indeed on the list). Shameful.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Yeah...but you're too stupid to understand the difference. That's our point.

Name calling is literally all you've been able to successfully do. Let's cut to the chase guys. Either you can counter the point that vaccine science is lacking, or you can't. I've mentioned a few flaws that completely shatter the cornerstone of what vaccine backers rely on - that the science is so fully adequate that the autism connection should be considered settled. Either you can counter the ideas that the science is not adequate, or you can't - it's as simple as that.

Thus far nobody has even touched it. In 3 threads! Convince me. No don't convince me, convince Hime. Put it together piece by piece that the safety studies performed on vaccines prove absolutely that they do not cause autism or any other neurological disorders. Post your studies and your reasoning here. If you can't do this then what we are witnessing is a clear cut case of cognitive dissonance.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Name calling is literally all you've been able to successfully do. Let's cut to the chase guys. Either you can counter the point that vaccine science is lacking, or you can't. I've mentioned a few flaws that completely shatter the cornerstone of what vaccine backers rely on - that the science is so fully adequate that the autism connection should be considered settled. Either you can counter the ideas that the science is not adequate, or you can't - it's as simple as that.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X14006367

Abstract
There has been enormous debate regarding the possibility of a link between childhood vaccinations and the subsequent development of autism. This has in recent times become a major public health issue with vaccine preventable diseases increasing in the community due to the fear of a ‘link’ between vaccinations and autism. We performed a meta-analysis to summarise available evidence from case-control and cohort studies on this topic (MEDLINE, PubMed, EMBASE, Google Scholar up to April, 2014). Eligible studies assessed the relationship between vaccine administration and the subsequent development of autism or autism spectrum disorders (ASD). Two reviewers extracted data on study characteristics, methods, and outcomes. Disagreement was resolved by consensus with another author. Five cohort studies involving 1,256,407 children, and five case-control studies involving 9,920 children were included in this analysis. The cohort data revealed no relationship between vaccination and autism (OR: 0.99; 95% CI: 0.92 to 1.06) or ASD (OR: 0.91; 95% CI: 0.68 to 1.20), nor was there a relationship between autism and MMR (OR: 0.84; 95% CI: 0.70 to 1.01), or thimerosal (OR: 1.00; 95% CI: 0.77 to 1.31), or mercury (Hg) (OR: 1.00; 95% CI: 0.93 to 1.07). Similarly the case-control data found no evidence for increased risk of developing autism or ASD following MMR, Hg, or thimerosal exposure when grouped by condition (OR: 0.90, 95% CI: 0.83 to 0.98; p = 0.02) or grouped by exposure type (OR: 0.85, 95% CI: 0.76 to 0.95; p = 0.01). Findings of this meta-analysis suggest that vaccinations are not associated with the development of autism or autism spectrum disorder. Furthermore, the components of the vaccines (thimerosal or mercury) or multiple vaccines (MMR) are not associated with the development of autism or autism spectrum disorder.

So how much "countering" would you like? Here...peruse these:

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[tarheelbybirth]

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[tarheelbybirth]

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Madsen, KM. Vestergaard, M. MMR and Autism: what is the evidence for a causal association? Drug Safety. 2004;27(12):831-40. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15366972

Makela, A., Nuorti, J., & Peltola, H. (2002). Neurologic disorders after measles-mumps-rubella vaccination. Pediatrics, 110(5), 957-963. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12415036

Marin, M., Broder, KR., Temte, JL., Snider, DE., Seward, JF., (CDC). Use of combination measles, mumps, rubella, and varicella vaccine: recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP). MMWR Recommendations and Reports. 2010 May 7;59(RR-3):1-12. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20448530

Marwick, C. US Report finds no link between MMR and autism. British Medical Journal. May 5, 2001; 322(7294): 1083. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1120232/

MacDonald, NE., Pickering, L. Canadian Paediatric Society, Infectious Diseases and Immunization Committee. Autism Spectrum Disorder: No causal relationship with vaccines. Paediatric Child Health 2007;12(5):393-5. http://www.cps.ca/documents/position/autistic-spectrum-disorder-no-causal-relationship-with-vaccines

Meadows, M. IOM Report: no link between vaccines and autism. FDA Consumer. 2004 Sep-Oct;38(5):18-9. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15595144

Meilleur, AA., Fombonne, E. Regression of language and non-language skills in pervasive development disorders. Journal of Intellectual Disability Research. 2009 Feb;53(2):115-24. doi: 10.1111/j.1365-2788.2008.01134.x. Epub 2008 Nov 27. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19054269

Miller, E. Measles-mumps-rubella vaccine and the development of autism - epidemiologic evidence against such an association is compelling. Seminars in Pediatric Infectious Diseases. 2003 Jul;14(3):199-206. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12913832

Miller, E., Andrews, N., Grant, A., Stowe, J., Taylor, B. No evidence of an association between MMR vaccine and gait disturbance. Archives of Disease in Childhood. 2005. Mar;90(3):292-6. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15723921

Miller, L., Reynolds J. Autism and vaccination – the current evidence. Journals for Specialists in Pediatric Nursing. 2009 Jul;14(3):166-72. doi: 10.1111/j.1744-6155.2009.00194.x. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19614825

Mrozek-Budzyn, D., Kiełtyka, A. The relationship between MMR vaccination and the number of new cases of autism in children. Przeglad epidemiologiczny. 2008;62(3):597-604. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19108524

Mrozek-Budzyn, D., Kiełtyka, A., Majewska, R. Lack of association between measles-mumps-rubella vaccination and autism in children: a case-control study. Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal. 2010 May;29(5):397-400. doi: 10.1097/INF.0b013e3181c40a8a. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19952979

Mrozek-Budzyn, D., Majewska, R. Kiełtyka, A. & Augustyniak, M. Lack of association between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism. Przeglad epidemiologiczny. 2011, 65(3), 491-495. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22184954

Muhle, R., Trentacoste, SV., Rapin, I. The genetics of autism. Pediatrics. 2004 May;113(5):e472-86. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15121991

Nelson, KB., Bauman, ML. Thimerosal and autism? Pediatrics. 2003. Mar;111(3):674-9.http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/111/3/674.long

Offit, PA., Coffin, SE. Communicating science to the public: MMR vaccine and autism. Vaccine. 2003. Dec 8;22(1):1-6. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14604564

Stratton, K., Ford, A., Rusch, E., Wright Clayton, E. Committee to Review Adverse Effects of Vaccines; Institute of Medicine. Adverse Effects of Vaccines: Evidence and Causality. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press, 2012. (a review of more than ONE THOUSAND studies). http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=13164

Patja, A., Davidkin, I., Kurki, T., Marku, J., Kallio, T., Valle, M., Peltola, H. Serious adverse events after measles-mumps-rubella vaccination during a fourteen-year prospective follow-up. 2000. Pediatric Infectious Diseases Journal. 2000;19:1127-34. http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/MMR.pdf

Parker, S.K., Schwartz, B., Todd, J., Pickering, L.K. Thimerosal-containing vaccines and autistic spectrum disorder: A critical review of published original data. 2004. Pediatrics, 114, 793-804. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15342856

Parker, S. Todd, J., Schwartz., B., Pickering, L.K. Thimerosal-containing vaccines and autistic spectrum disorder: A critical review of published original data. 2005. Pediatrics. Jan;115(1):200. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15630018

Pichichero, ME., Cernichiari, E., Lopreiato, J., Treanor, J. Mercury concentrations and metabolism in infants receiving vaccines containing thiomersal: a descriptive study. Lancet. 2002 Nov 30;360(9347):1737-41. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12480426

Peltola, H., Patja, A., Leinikki, P., Valle, M., Davidkin, I., & Paunio, M. No evidence for measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine-associated inflammatory bowel disease or autism in a 14-year prospective study. 1998. Lancet, 351(9112), 1327. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9643797

Plotkin, S., Gerber, J. S., & Offit, P. A. (2009). Vaccines and autism: a tale of shifting hypotheses. Clinical Infectious Diseases, 48(4), 456-461. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2908388/

Price, C. S., Thompson, W. W., Goodson, B., Weintraub, E. S., Croen, L. A., Hinrichsen, V. L., DeStefano, F. Prenatal and infant exposure to thimerosal from vaccines and immunoglobulins and risk of autism. 2010. Pediatrics, 126(4), 656-664. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20837594

Roehr B. Study finds no association between vaccines and autism. 2013. British Medical Journal. Apr 3;346:f2095. doi: 10.1136/bmj.f2095. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23554072

Richler, J., Luyster, R., Risi, S., Hsu, W. L., Dawson, G., Bernier, R., ... & Lord, C. (2006). Is there a ‘regressive phenotype’ of Autism Spectrum Disorder associated with the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine? A CPEA Study. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders, 36(3), 299-316. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16729252

Rumke, HC., Visser, HK. Childhood vaccinations anno 2004. II. The real and presumed side effects of vaccination. Nederlands Tijdschrift voor Geneeskunde. 2004 Feb 21;148(8):364-71. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15032089


Whitehouse, AJ., Maybery, M., Wray, JA., Hickey, M. No association between early gastrointestinal problems and autistic-like traits in the general population. Developmental Medicine and Childhood Neurology. 2011. May;53(5):457-62. doi: 10.1111/j.1469-8749.2011.03915.x. Epub 2011 Mar 21. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21418197

Weisser, K., Bauer, K., Volkers, P., Keller-Stanislawski, B. Thimerosal and immunizations - evidence does not support the hypothesis of a potential relationship between neurodevelopmental disorders and thiomersal-containing vaccines. 2004. Bundesgesundheitsblatt Gesundheitsforschung Gesundheitsschutz. Dec;47(12):1165-74. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15583887

MMR vaccine is not linked to Crohn’s disease or autism. Commun Dis Rep CDR Weekly. 1998 Mar 27;8(13):113. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9592960

Feel free to consider your bullshit claim countered.

 

[cidhawkeye]

All have probably received a free meal from Pharma so there is no validity to any of it. I enjoy the people asking for 'absolutes' all I can say is stay away from taking Provasic, the research has been faked. Devlin -McGregor are crooks.

 

[Joes Place]

Name calling is literally all you've been able to successfully do. Let's cut to the chase guys. Either you can counter the point that vaccine science is lacking, or you can't.

....and, that's been done. Ad nauseum.

Continuing to link websites with gross errors in the "data" they link isn't convincing anyone with an actual science degree. Soccer moms? Yeah...you'll fool them. That's pretty much all you've got.

 

[claykenny]

They're some of the most trusted voices in the defense of vaccine safety: the American Academy of Pediatrics, Every Child By Two, and pediatrician Dr. Paul Offit.

But CBS News has found these three have something more in common - strong financial ties to the industry whose products they promote and defend.

The vaccine industry gives millions to the Academy of Pediatrics for conferences, grants, medical education classes and even helped build their headquarters. The totals are kept secret, but public documents reveal bits and pieces.

• A $342,000 payment from Wyeth, maker of the pneumococcal vaccine - which makes $2 billion a year in sales.

• A $433,000 contribution from Merck, the same year the academy endorsed Merck's HPV vaccine - which made $1.5 billion a year in sales.

• Another top donor: Sanofi Aventis, maker of 17 vaccines and a new five-in-one combo shot just added to the childhood vaccine schedule last month.
  
  Every Child By Two, a group that promotes early immunization for all children, admits the group takes money from the vaccine industry, too - but wouldn't tell us how much.
  
  A spokesman told CBS News: "There are simply no conflicts to be unearthed." But guess who's listed as the group's treasurers? Officials from Wyeth and a paid advisor to big pharmaceutical clients. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-independent-are-vaccine-defenders/

With a little research, I wouldn't be surprised to find that all 350 of the endorsers of the infamous letter Joe keeps referencing are all as financially and ethically compromised as the three named in the first sentence of the CBS article above (Yes; all three parties are indeed on the list). Shameful.

The AAP receives huge annual donations from a number of companies that manufacture infant formula (Abbott, Perrigo, MeadJohnson, and Nestle all donated >$50,000 last year alone). If that's the case, why does the AAP recommend exclusive breastfeeding until 6 months of age followed by breastfeeding in addition to introduction of foods until at least 12 months of age? Why aren't they recommending formula?

It must be those donations from Prolacta Bioscience, which pasteurizes donor milk and makes human milk fortifier for premature babies, that coaxed them into that recommendation instead of science.

 

[shank hawk]

The AAP receives huge annual donations from a number of companies that manufacture infant formula (Abbott, Perrigo, MeadJohnson, and Nestle all donated >$50,000 last year alone). If that's the case, why does the AAP recommend exclusive breastfeeding until 6 months of age followed by breastfeeding in addition to introduction of foods until at least 12 months of age? Why aren't they recommending formula?

It must be those donations from Prolacta Bioscience, which pasteurizes donor milk and makes human milk fortifier for premature babies, that coaxed them into that recommendation instead of science.

Families who (consciously or not) see the A.A.P. tag as endorsement may pay a price. Formula feeding costs between $800 and $2,800 a year. The formula samples given out at hospitals are brand-name products, which cost up to 66 percent more than store brands. Researchers have found that families typically continue to use the same expensive brand they receive in samples, and formula makers count on this.

By placing its logo on tags attached to Enfamil’s hospital discharge bags, the A.A.P. is effectively endorsing both the formula those bags contain and the decision to distribute them (as direct-to-consumer a marketing strategy as it is possible to get). It is a decision that is inconsistent with its own policies, and with its stated “dedication to the health of all children.” The A.A.P. has long been a trusted source for unbiased medical information on everything from vaccination to food safety. If it gives parents reason to question that trust, our children will be the ones who suffer. https://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/does-the-a-a-p-logo-belong-on-formula-gift-bags/?_r=0

I thought we were talking about vaccines, but thanks for pointing out that the AAP can be financially compromised on more than one front at a time.

 

[claykenny]

Families who (consciously or not) see the A.A.P. tag as endorsement may pay a price. Formula feeding costs between $800 and $2,800 a year. The formula samples given out at hospitals are brand-name products, which cost up to 66 percent more than store brands. Researchers have found that families typically continue to use the same expensive brand they receive in samples, and formula makers count on this.

By placing its logo on tags attached to Enfamil’s hospital discharge bags, the A.A.P. is effectively endorsing both the formula those bags contain and the decision to distribute them (as direct-to-consumer a marketing strategy as it is possible to get). It is a decision that is inconsistent with its own policies, and with its stated “dedication to the health of all children.” The A.A.P. has long been a trusted source for unbiased medical information on everything from vaccination to food safety. If it gives parents reason to question that trust, our children will be the ones who suffer. https://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/does-the-a-a-p-logo-belong-on-formula-gift-bags/?_r=0

I thought we were talking about vaccines, but thanks for pointing out that the AAP can be financially compromised on more than one front at a time.

Why do they still recommend breastfeeding?

 

[Joes Place]

Why do they still recommend breastfeeding?

You can't argue with stupid, bro.....

 

[shank hawk]

Madsen, K.K., Hviid, A., Vestergaard, M., Schendel, D., Wohlfahrt, J., Thorsen, P., Olsen, J., Melbye, M. A population-based study of measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination and autism. 2002. The New England Journal of Medicine, 347(19), 1477-82. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12421889

Madsen KM., Hviid, A., Vestergaard, M., Schendel, D., Wohlfahrt, J., Thorsen, P., Olsen, J. Melbye, M. MMR vaccination and autism--a population-based follow-up study. Ugeskr Laeger. 2002. Dec 2;164(49):5741-4. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12523209

Madsen, K.M., Lauritsen, M.B., Pedersen, C.B., Thorsen, P., Plesner, A.M., Andersen, P.H. & Mortensen, P.B. Thimerosal and the occurrence of autism: negative ecological evidence from Danish population-based data. 2003. Pediatrics, 112, 604-606. doi: 10.1542/peds.112.3.204 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12949291

Madsen, KM. Vestergaard, M. MMR and Autism: what is the evidence for a causal association? Drug Safety. 2004;27(12):831-40. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15366972

Makela, A., Nuorti, J., & Peltola, H. (2002). Neurologic disorders after measles-mumps-rubella vaccination. Pediatrics, 110(5), 957-963. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12415036

Marin, M., Broder, KR., Temte, JL., Snider, DE., Seward, JF., (CDC). Use of combination measles, mumps, rubella, and varicella vaccine: recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP). MMWR Recommendations and Reports. 2010 May 7;59(RR-3):1-12. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20448530

Marwick, C. US Report finds no link between MMR and autism. British Medical Journal. May 5, 2001; 322(7294): 1083. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1120232/

MacDonald, NE., Pickering, L. Canadian Paediatric Society, Infectious Diseases and Immunization Committee. Autism Spectrum Disorder: No causal relationship with vaccines. Paediatric Child Health 2007;12(5):393-5. http://www.cps.ca/documents/position/autistic-spectrum-disorder-no-causal-relationship-with-vaccines

Meadows, M. IOM Report: no link between vaccines and autism. FDA Consumer. 2004 Sep-Oct;38(5):18-9. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15595144

Meilleur, AA., Fombonne, E. Regression of language and non-language skills in pervasive development disorders. Journal of Intellectual Disability Research. 2009 Feb;53(2):115-24. doi: 10.1111/j.1365-2788.2008.01134.x. Epub 2008 Nov 27. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19054269

Miller, E. Measles-mumps-rubella vaccine and the development of autism - epidemiologic evidence against such an association is compelling. Seminars in Pediatric Infectious Diseases. 2003 Jul;14(3):199-206. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12913832

Miller, E., Andrews, N., Grant, A., Stowe, J., Taylor, B. No evidence of an association between MMR vaccine and gait disturbance. Archives of Disease in Childhood. 2005. Mar;90(3):292-6. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15723921

Miller, L., Reynolds J. Autism and vaccination – the current evidence. Journals for Specialists in Pediatric Nursing. 2009 Jul;14(3):166-72. doi: 10.1111/j.1744-6155.2009.00194.x. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19614825

Mrozek-Budzyn, D., Kiełtyka, A. The relationship between MMR vaccination and the number of new cases of autism in children. Przeglad epidemiologiczny. 2008;62(3):597-604. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19108524

Mrozek-Budzyn, D., Kiełtyka, A., Majewska, R. Lack of association between measles-mumps-rubella vaccination and autism in children: a case-control study. Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal. 2010 May;29(5):397-400. doi: 10.1097/INF.0b013e3181c40a8a. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19952979

Mrozek-Budzyn, D., Majewska, R. Kiełtyka, A. & Augustyniak, M. Lack of association between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism. Przeglad epidemiologiczny. 2011, 65(3), 491-495. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22184954

Muhle, R., Trentacoste, SV., Rapin, I. The genetics of autism. Pediatrics. 2004 May;113(5):e472-86. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15121991

Nelson, KB., Bauman, ML. Thimerosal and autism? Pediatrics. 2003. Mar;111(3):674-9.http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/111/3/674.long

Offit, PA., Coffin, SE. Communicating science to the public: MMR vaccine and autism. Vaccine. 2003. Dec 8;22(1):1-6. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14604564

Stratton, K., Ford, A., Rusch, E., Wright Clayton, E. Committee to Review Adverse Effects of Vaccines; Institute of Medicine. Adverse Effects of Vaccines: Evidence and Causality. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press, 2012. (a review of more than ONE THOUSAND studies). http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=13164

Patja, A., Davidkin, I., Kurki, T., Marku, J., Kallio, T., Valle, M., Peltola, H. Serious adverse events after measles-mumps-rubella vaccination during a fourteen-year prospective follow-up. 2000. Pediatric Infectious Diseases Journal. 2000;19:1127-34. http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/MMR.pdf

Parker, S.K., Schwartz, B., Todd, J., Pickering, L.K. Thimerosal-containing vaccines and autistic spectrum disorder: A critical review of published original data. 2004. Pediatrics, 114, 793-804. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15342856

Parker, S. Todd, J., Schwartz., B., Pickering, L.K. Thimerosal-containing vaccines and autistic spectrum disorder: A critical review of published original data. 2005. Pediatrics. Jan;115(1):200. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15630018

Pichichero, ME., Cernichiari, E., Lopreiato, J., Treanor, J. Mercury concentrations and metabolism in infants receiving vaccines containing thiomersal: a descriptive study. Lancet. 2002 Nov 30;360(9347):1737-41. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12480426

Peltola, H., Patja, A., Leinikki, P., Valle, M., Davidkin, I., & Paunio, M. No evidence for measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine-associated inflammatory bowel disease or autism in a 14-year prospective study. 1998. Lancet, 351(9112), 1327. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9643797

Plotkin, S., Gerber, J. S., & Offit, P. A. (2009). Vaccines and autism: a tale of shifting hypotheses. Clinical Infectious Diseases, 48(4), 456-461. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2908388/

Price, C. S., Thompson, W. W., Goodson, B., Weintraub, E. S., Croen, L. A., Hinrichsen, V. L., DeStefano, F. Prenatal and infant exposure to thimerosal from vaccines and immunoglobulins and risk of autism. 2010. Pediatrics, 126(4), 656-664. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20837594

Roehr B. Study finds no association between vaccines and autism. 2013. British Medical Journal. Apr 3;346:f2095. doi: 10.1136/bmj.f2095. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23554072

Richler, J., Luyster, R., Risi, S., Hsu, W. L., Dawson, G., Bernier, R., ... & Lord, C. (2006). Is there a ‘regressive phenotype’ of Autism Spectrum Disorder associated with the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine? A CPEA Study. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders, 36(3), 299-316. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16729252

Rumke, HC., Visser, HK. Childhood vaccinations anno 2004. II. The real and presumed side effects of vaccination. Nederlands Tijdschrift voor Geneeskunde. 2004 Feb 21;148(8):364-71. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15032089


Whitehouse, AJ., Maybery, M., Wray, JA., Hickey, M. No association between early gastrointestinal problems and autistic-like traits in the general population. Developmental Medicine and Childhood Neurology. 2011. May;53(5):457-62. doi: 10.1111/j.1469-8749.2011.03915.x. Epub 2011 Mar 21. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21418197

Weisser, K., Bauer, K., Volkers, P., Keller-Stanislawski, B. Thimerosal and immunizations - evidence does not support the hypothesis of a potential relationship between neurodevelopmental disorders and thiomersal-containing vaccines. 2004. Bundesgesundheitsblatt Gesundheitsforschung Gesundheitsschutz. Dec;47(12):1165-74. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15583887

MMR vaccine is not linked to Crohn’s disease or autism. Commun Dis Rep CDR Weekly. 1998 Mar 27;8(13):113. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9592960

Feel free to consider your bullshit claim countered.

From one of your articles, I found this random gem:
Acknowledgments
Potential conflicts of interest. P.A.O. is a coinventor and patent coholder of the rotavirus vaccine Rotateq and has served on a scientific advisory board to Merck. J.S.G.: no conflicts.
Nope; no conflict of interest there. Absolutely none at all. And in other news, it was revealed today that prostitutes don't actually perform sexual acts for money. They just really, really like to f*#k. The fact that all of their 'clients' give them money is just gravy I guess.

You didn't counter any bullshit claims tarheel; you just reinforced what a bunch of disingenuous frauds your medical experts actually are.

 

[shank hawk]

Why do they still recommend breastfeeding?

It's called posturing.

 

[Joes Place]

From one of your articles, I found this random gem:
Acknowledgments
Potential conflicts of interest. P.A.O. is a coinventor and patent coholder of the rotavirus vaccine Rotateq and has served on a scientific advisory board to Merck. J.S.G.: no conflicts.
Nope; no conflict of interest there. Absolutely none at all. And in other news, it was revealed today that prostitutes don't actually perform sexual acts for money. They just really, really like to f*#k. The fact that all of their 'clients' give them money is just gravy I guess.

You didn't counter any bullshit claims tarheel; you just reinforced what a bunch of disingenuous frauds your medical experts actually are.

LMAO!!!
Damn, you dumb, Gump!!

 

[ferentzin04]

From one of your articles, I found this random gem:
Acknowledgments
Potential conflicts of interest. P.A.O. is a coinventor and patent coholder of the rotavirus vaccine Rotateq and has served on a scientific advisory board to Merck. J.S.G.: no conflicts.
Nope; no conflict of interest there. Absolutely none at all. And in other news, it was revealed today that prostitutes don't actually perform sexual acts for money. They just really, really like to f*#k. The fact that all of their 'clients' give them money is just gravy I guess.

You didn't counter any bullshit claims tarheel; you just reinforced what a bunch of disingenuous frauds your medical experts actually are.

Lol I love this place.

Pro-Vaxers to Anti-Vaxers: There are literally dozens of peer reviewed studies that support our claims
Anti-Vaxers to Pro Vaxers: I'm sorry, show me more I just don't believe you yet
*Pro-Vaxers present dozens of peer reviewed studies supporting their point
*Anti-vaxers see a handful of the literally hundreds of doctors involved in the studies may have a conflict of interest (which of course they acknowledge IN the studies)
Anti-Vaxers to Pro-Vaxers: SEE, I told you all along. That's all the evidence I need.

 

[Joes Place]

Pro-Vaxers to Anti-Vaxers: There are literally dozens of peer reviewed studies that support our claims
Anti-Vaxers to Pro Vaxers: I'm sorry, show me more I just don't believe you yet
*Pro-Vaxers present dozens of peer reviewed studies supporting their point
*Anti-vaxers see a handful of the literally hundreds of doctors involved in the studies may have a conflict of interest (which of course they acknowledge IN the studies)
Anti-Vaxers to Pro-Vaxers: SEE, I told you all along. That's all the evidence I need.

Precisely my point.

IF the studies put forth by those with disclosed conflicts were at odds with the general conclusions of thousands of other papers, they'd have a legitimate concern.

Shit...I have 2 uncles who are long-time dentists, who get DOZENS of freebies from Colgate, Crest, Oral B, etc. to hand out to their patients....does that mean these morons will now stop brushing their teeth???!!!

(for me, it means an unlimited supply of 'travel toothpastes'!)

 

[shank hawk]

Lol I love this place.

Pro-Vaxers to Anti-Vaxers: There are literally dozens of peer reviewed studies that support our claims
Anti-Vaxers to Pro Vaxers: I'm sorry, show me more I just don't believe you yet
*Pro-Vaxers present dozens of peer reviewed studies supporting their point
*Anti-vaxers see a handful of the literally hundreds of doctors involved in the studies may have a conflict of interest (which of course they acknowledge IN the studies)
Anti-Vaxers to Pro-Vaxers: SEE, I told you all along. That's all the evidence I need.

Anti-vaxers see a handful of the literally hundreds of doctors involved in the studies may have a conflict of interest (which of course they acknowledge IN the studies)
I'm not anti-vax; just anti vax-nazis trying to impose their beliefs on everyone. Also, if there's only a 'handful' of compromised experts in tarheel's list it's because they do a great job of keeping them hidden: Paul Profit is just such an arrogant douchebag he doesn't feel the need to stop shouting his credentials from the rooftops; that's why I highlighted his 'non-conflicts'.

Yet when you read one of these studies, information about funding sources or conflicts of interest are often buried deep at the end of the article just before the list of citations. On PubMed — which is essentially a taxpayer-funded Google for medical study abstracts that doctors, patients, and the media rely on — data about funding sources and conflicts is hard to find.

Now a group of 62 scientists and physicians from around the world (including the head of the Center for Science in the Public Interest) are lobbying to change that. They want funding disclosures to be prominently displayed on PubMed, so that people who don't have access to a journal article can easily be made aware of any possible industry influence over studies.


These experts are asking the National Institutes of Health and its National Library of Medicine (NLM), the federal institutions behind the site, to begin listing researchers’ funding sources and potential conflicts of interests in PubMed abstracts:

We strongly urge the NLM to require all journals listed in PubMed to provide information about funding sources and other possible competing interests in all abstracts. To facilitate research, the "competing interest" section should be fully searchable. Thus, PubMed would advise users about the entity or entities that funded the study and whether (a) the authors reported no competing interests; (b) the authors reported the competing interests; (c) the article did not include a competing-interests disclosure statement; or (d) the journal did not provide disclosure of funding sources or the authors’ other competing interests.
http://www.vox.com/2016/4/1/11347140/pubmed-conflict-of-interest-cpsi

 

[shank hawk]

Go ahead OP. Get your kid the shots if you feel it's the right thing to do. Dr. Paul Profit and his fellow profiteers will appreciate the royalty check.
Serious Adverse Events
Serious adverse events occurred in 2.4% of recipi
ents of RotaTeq when compared to 2.6% of placebo
recipients within the 42-day period of a dose in
the phase 3 clinical studies of RotaTeq. The most
frequently reported serious adverse events
for RotaTeq compared to placebo were:
bronchiolitis
(0.6% RotaTeq vs. 0.7% Placebo),
gastroenteritis
(0.2% RotaTeq vs. 0.3% Placebo),
pneumonia
(0.2% RotaTeq vs. 0.2% Placebo),
fever
(0.1% RotaTeq vs. 0.1% Placebo), and
urinary tract infect
ion (0.1% RotaTeq vs. 0.1% Placebo).
Deaths
Across the clinical studies, 52 deaths were reported.
There were 25 deaths in the RotaTeq recipients
compared to 27 deaths in the placebo recipients.
The most commonly reported cause of death was
sudden infant death syndrome, which was observed in
8 recipients of RotaTeq and 9 placebo recipients.
Intussusception
In REST, 34,837 vaccine recipients and 34,788 placebo recipients were monitored by active
surveillance to identify potential cases of intussu
sception at 7, 14, and 42 days after each dose, and
every 6 weeks thereafter for 1 year after the first dose.
For the primary safety outcome, cases of intussuscept
ion occurring within 42 days of any dose, there
were 6 cases among RotaTeq recipients and 5 cases among placebo recipients (see Table 1). The data
did not suggest an increased risk of
intussusception relative to placebo. http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/r/rotateq/rotateq_pi.pdf

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Feel free to consider your bullshit claim countered.

No! It's not! An answer to all the studies you posted can be summed up in two separate parts of the same article. Almost all of the studies you posted looked at specifically only MMR and thimerosal. Where are the aluminum studies, and AGAIN the research that studies the synergistic effects of all these vaccine ingredients? THIS is what has been in contention in this debate all along.
A few of the studies you linked were conducted by Dr. William Thompson. Remember, he's the CDC whistleblower that actually admitted he omitted important data from his studies and he felt that the MMR WAS actually causing autism? I noticed ONE study you posted had anything to do with aluminum. It was looking at heavy metals in the urine and hair of autistic vs. non autistic. Not vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. Yeah that's not going to tell me much.

First, the first study you posted (meta-analysis study) has some fatal flaws (from the article linked below):
Study #3: Thimerosal-MMR meta-analysis from Australia

Vaccines are not associated with autism: an evidence-based meta-analysis of case-control and cohort studies. Vaccine. April 2014. Luke E. Taylor, Amy L. Swerdfeger, Guy D. Eslick

This is not a study, it’s an analysis of other studies that, despite its title, ONLY considered Thimerosal and MMR for the relationship to autism (one vaccine, one ingredient). There were 5 MMR studies considered and 5 thimerosal studies considered. As an aside, I was stunned by the admission of one of the researchers in the Epilogue of this study:

“However, as a parent of three children I have some understanding of the fears associated with reactions and effects of vaccines. My first two children have had febrile seizures after routine vaccinations, one of them a serious event. These events did not stop me from vaccinating my third child, however, I did take some proactive measures to reduce the risk of similar adverse effects. I vaccinated my child in the morning so that we were aware if any early adverse reaction during the day and I also gave my child a dose of paracetamol 30 min before the vaccination was given to reduce any fever that might develop after the injection. As a parent I know my children better than anyone and I equate their seizures to the effects of the vaccination by increasing their body temperature. For parents who do notice a significant change in their child’s cognitive function and behaviour after a vaccination I encourage you to report these events immediately to your family physician and to the ‘Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System’.”

Really, one of the study authors wrote that in the study!

The most obvious criticism of this study is that the authors ONLY considered studies that showed no association between vaccines and autism, even though there are plenty of published studies showing the opposite. If you only include studies that reach the same conclusion…you’ll get the same conclusion in a meta-analysis! As Dr. Janet Kern correctly pointed out in her criticism of this study published on PubMed:

The following studies that showed an association between Thimerosal and the risk of autism were not included in the Taylor et al. (2014) meta-analysis even though they were published within the same time frame as the studies that were included.

Gallagher CM, Goodman MS. Hepatitis B vaccination of male neonates and autism diagnosis, NHIS 1997–2002. J Toxicol Environ Health A 2010;73(24):1665–1677.
Geier DA, Hooker BS, Kern JK, King PG, Sykes LK, Geier MR. A two-phase study evaluating the relationship between Thimerosal-containing vaccine administration and the risk for an autism spectrum disorder in the United States. Transl Neurodegener 2013;2(1):25.

Young HA, Geier DA, Geier MR. Thimerosal exposure in infants and neurodevelopmental disorders: an assessment of computerized medical records in the Vaccine Safety Datalink. J Neurol Sci 2008;271(1–2):110–118.

Geier DA, Geier MR. An evaluation of the effects of Thimerosal on neurodevelopmental disorders reported following DTP and Hib vaccines in comparison to DTPH vaccine in the United States. J Toxicol Environ Health A. 2006;69(15):1481–95.

https://healthcareinamerica.us/dr-peter-hotez-latest-vaccine-pitchman-clueless-on-vaccine-autism-science-a8a53a7e3e70#.bcyk3xvuo

In that same article I linked, scroll about 1/4 of the way down and there is a chart that has some red arrows and circles on it. Study that section and you will realize why the studies you posted fail miserably at disproving the vaccine - autism connection.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

From one of your articles, I found this random gem:
Acknowledgments
Potential conflicts of interest. P.A.O. is a coinventor and patent coholder of the rotavirus vaccine Rotateq and has served on a scientific advisory board to Merck. J.S.G.: no conflicts.
Nope; no conflict of interest there. Absolutely none at all. And in other news, it was revealed today that prostitutes don't actually perform sexual acts for money. They just really, really like to f*#k. The fact that all of their 'clients' give them money is just gravy I guess.

You didn't counter any bullshit claims tarheel; you just reinforced what a bunch of disingenuous frauds your medical experts actually are.

The potential conflicts were presented BY THE RESEARCHER, dimwit.

Damn, you guys are such illiterates where science is concerned. I'll bet you couldn't even tell us without googling it what a rotavirus is or what it does. Given that you didn't tell us which paper, I'd bet it had nothing to do with rotavirus vaccines and his role on the advisory board doesn't present a conflict with the research.

Now...would you like to dispute the research? Didn't think so.

 

[Joes Place]

No! It's not! An answer to all the studies you posted can be summed up in two separate parts of the same article. Almost all of the studies you posted looked at specifically only MMR and thimerosal. Where are the aluminum studies

FYI...you probably get a larger dose of aluminum (and nickel) from your cheap-ass cookware and utensils....

 

[ferentzin04]

 

[shank hawk]

The potential conflicts were presented BY THE RESEARCHER, dimwit.

Damn, you guys are such illiterates where science is concerned. I'll bet you couldn't even tell us without googling it what a rotavirus is or what it does. Given that you didn't tell us which paper, I'd bet it had nothing to do with rotavirus vaccines and his role on the advisory board doesn't present a conflict with the research.

Now...would you like to dispute the research? Didn't think so.

Yes I realize the 'potential' conflicts were presented by him; why the hell do you think I bolded it? The profiteers get to decide if they're conflicted or not - sweet deal if you can get it.

And again with the insults? I suppose when that's all ya' got........................

I am well aware of what the profiteers call a rotavirus and what it allegedly does, and I posted a link to the damage/death the vaccine causes. You remember that vaccine don't you tar? It's the one that 'Dr.' Offit developed, then voted to approve into the U.S. vaccine schedule as a member of ACIP, finally profiting millions when 'his' Merck Rotateq vaccine was sold to Royalty.

Pretty much sums up the whole disgusting bunch.

 

[ANYCHawk]

Damn, you guys are such illiterates where science is concerned. I'll bet you couldn't even tell us without googling it what a rotavirus is or what it does.

I think its when that little girls head spins around and she pukes in the Exorcist.

 

[Joes Place]

Yes I realize the 'potential' conflicts were presented by him; why the hell do you think I bolded it? The profiteers get to decide if they're conflicted or not - sweet deal if you can get it.

No....the journals and reviewer decide that.

If they identify a conflict of interest with respect to the results of the study, and the individuals with the conflicts had control of the data or pushed conclusions that were related to their conflicts, it usually doesn't get published.

I've had journals refuse to even review publications I've sent in, simply because my company sponsored the work and we did analyze data, despite the fact that the results had no relation to any products we sold. They generally err on the side of caution and many won't even print works if key individuals hold conflicts.

That said, you still seem to be woefully unaware that thousands of OTHER publications have no such conflicts, yet have yielded similar conclusions.

 

[ConvenientParking]

I work as a poller for Family Feud. On a lark (this won't make it to air), I asked 100 medical doctors for the top indicator of terminal autism. Top two answers:

1. Organic food fanaticism
2. Obliviousness to the miracle of public vaccination

Last four answers:

3. Elite video game skills
4. Black Jack expertise
5. Spilled toothpick counting
6. Apologetic attitude toward Scientology

 

[ConvenientParking]

You should vaccinate. If your kid gets all autistic and stuff, you can cure your kid's autism with the GAPS diet. It's all about gut flora.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

FYI...you probably get a larger dose of aluminum (and nickel) from your cheap-ass cookware and utensils....

No we already covered that. Ingestion does not equal injection, remember? Your body handles them in completely different ways.