Close friend pleading with me to not vaccinate our baby
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Yes.
It has been debunked.
Many many times. By independent groups of researchers.
Meanwhile, the association between childhood infections and autism is extremely strong.
Imagine that. Joe is full of it. Again.
Conclusions The association between hospitalization for infection and ASDs observed in this study does not suggest causality because a general association is observed across different infection groups.
A study by Rosen et al11 is the only epidemiological study to investigate the association between infections and the subsequent diagnosis of ASDs. The authors found that infection diagnoses in the first 2 years of life were recorded slightly less often for children with ASDs than for a control group of children (95.0% vs 97.5%).
That pretty much sums it up.
Know what DOES suggest causality? Early childhood infections!!!!
Serious childhood infections requiring hospitalization are NOT associated with autism but minor infections ARE? 🤣
Just when it seemed you couldn’t even begin to sound any stupider…
And how many of these studies that have ‘been posted’ compare vaccinated v unvaccinated children? Cuz that would be pretty important if one is making the outlandish claim that childhood fevers cause autism.
Apparently children never had fevers very often before the late 1980’s.
Many.
After the fabricated data claiming the link, there have been dozens; none demonstrate any correlation between vaccines and autism.
The reality here, is that "herd immunity", preventing young children from being infected in the first place (via vaccines) will REDUCE autism incidence, because fewer will incur serious infections.
You and your buddies keep posting nonsense that pushes HIGHER risks onto children incurring ASD and intellectual disabilities after they get infected with preventable diseases.
Vaccines ARE studied "like any other pharma product".
You continue to post nonsense snippets and out of context quotes vs published science on this topic.
Google:
The apparent increase in autism incidence since 2000 is primarily attributed to a combination of factors including greater awareness and screening for autism, changes in diagnostic criteria, improved identification methods, and broader understanding of the autism spectrum disorder (ASD), which leads to more individuals being diagnosed, rather than necessarily a true rise in the prevalence of autism itself
Go ahead and name one of those independent groups.
And also names the groups connecting infections with autism.
I've posted publications here countless times, already.
You can look up the Danish study, yourself, if you want to.
Natural childhood infections? You can't actually believe that Joe.
Yeah, what’s your point? Those (obviously fudged) numbers are from some loony anti-vaxxers and have no basis in reality.
Everyone knows autism comes from childhood fevers. Or microplastics. Or because they just got better at diagnosing it.
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And that's very telling of the quality of the data that becomes available nowadays. There is a very strong inverse relationship between actually believing that data and common sense. They're really scraping the sludge off the bottom of the barrel to attempt to save face with that one.
I'm glad you hooked your wagon to it though, so people with common sense can acknowledge just how weak your position is.
Fluffer Joe’s so full of it.
IF childhood illnesses caused autism then you would have seen it at pandemic levels up until about 50 years ago, when the childhood vaccine schedule was ramped up.
The vaccines would have prevented further infections and autism cases would have plummeted.
Instead, like you stated, the exact opposite happened.
He is not a smart man, but what do you expect from someone who claimed ‘100%’ of people will get pertussis if they’re exposed to it while unvaccinated? His little brain is unfamiliar with the reality of innate immunity.
Those data are very high quality.
You do not understand that, because you listen to Twitter memes constantly, and rarely (if ever) cite an actual publication.
Except that we did not have definitions for autism "50 years ago" like we do today.
Back then, we referred to people as "dumb" or "retarded" and just institutionalized them.
When did we raise a nation of such pussies? Looking at my GenX. Most your kids are huge pussies.
Again: FALSE
The timing of vaccines is coincidental to when autism spectrum behavior shows up.
Just like crime in cities increases with ice cream sales.
This has been debunked, ad nauseum, by independent groups, and those studies have been posted for you.
In stark contrast, the onset of childhood infections is closely related to autism, which means eliminating vaccines and allowing MORE childhood infections to occur will result in more autism.
In no way has this been debunked. We've talked ad nauseum about the issues with those studies.
Rubbish. Can I get a show of hands of the amount of people here who actually believe this second point^? Back Joe up on this if you believe it.
That’s Joes “been posted for you many times” Place to you, Spud! Show the man his due respect! 🤣
It has been.
I can dig them up again, but you never read any of them the last time.
Acetaminophen use after measles-mumps-rubella vaccination was associated with autistic disorder.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Acetaminophen (paracetamol) use, measles-mumps-rubella vaccination, and autistic disorder: the results of a parent survey - PubMed
The present study was performed to determine whether acetaminophen (paracetamol) use after the measles-mumps-rubella vaccination could be associated with autistic disorder. This case-control study used the results of an online parental survey conducted from 16 July 2005 to 30 January 2006...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Acetaminophen use after measles-mumps-rubella vaccination was associated with autistic disorder.
Acetaminophen (paracetamol) use, measles-mumps-rubella vaccination, and autistic disorder: the results of a parent survey - PubMed
The present study was performed to determine whether acetaminophen (paracetamol) use after the measles-mumps-rubella vaccination could be associated with autistic disorder. This case-control study used the results of an online parental survey conducted from 16 July 2005 to 30 January 2006...
So, a "case control survey" NOT a randomized controlled trial found a weak association.
Man, you guys dig up some real gems in your rando searches, which don't say what you think they do...
I'm old enough to remember when you ranted about not enough RCTs for drugs and vaccines....
More like: 1) baby is born. 2) baby is injected with toxins. 3) baby’s immune system spikes fever in reaction to being poisoned. 4) mommy gives Tylenol to break fever. 5) autism.
The FDA is a criminal organization.
We conclude that the very early postpartum period poses the greatest risk for acetaminophen-induced ASD, and that nearly ubiquitous use of acetaminophen during early development could conceivably be responsible for the induction in the vast majority, perhaps 90% or more, of all cases of ASD. Despite over a decade of accumulating evidence that acetaminophen is harmful for neurodevelopment, numerous studies demonstrate that acetaminophen is frequently administered to children in excess of currently approved amounts and under conditions in which it provides no benefit. Further, studies have failed to demonstrate long-term benefits of acetaminophen for the pediatric population, leaving no valid rationale for continued use of the drug in that population given its risks to neurodevelopment.
The Dangers of Acetaminophen for Neurodevelopment Outweigh Scant Evidence for Long-Term Benefits - PMC
Based on available data that include approximately 20 lines of evidence from studies in laboratory animal models, observations in humans, correlations in time, and pharmacological/toxicological considerations, it has been concluded without ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
More like not.
The data are published on this. Several independent groups have corroborated those findings.
holy shit, Japanese are not obese like Americans lol. Think that is a major factor in life expectancies. Not getting the vaccine.
Toxins??? You have said this several times. How is a dead virus a toxin?? Do you have any understanding of science? Also who the hell provides Tylonel on a a regular basis? Generally it is only given when the child is sick, and the benefits are much better than the current symptoms of the infection.More like: 1) baby is born. 2) baby is injected with toxins. 3) baby’s immune system spikes fever in reaction to being poisoned. 4) mommy gives Tylenol to break fever. 5) autism.
The FDA is a criminal organization.
We conclude that the very early postpartum period poses the greatest risk for acetaminophen-induced ASD, and that nearly ubiquitous use of acetaminophen during early development could conceivably be responsible for the induction in the vast majority, perhaps 90% or more, of all cases of ASD. Despite over a decade of accumulating evidence that acetaminophen is harmful for neurodevelopment, numerous studies demonstrate that acetaminophen is frequently administered to children in excess of currently approved amounts and under conditions in which it provides no benefit. Further, studies have failed to demonstrate long-term benefits of acetaminophen for the pediatric population, leaving no valid rationale for continued use of the drug in that population given its risks to neurodevelopment.
The Dangers of Acetaminophen for Neurodevelopment Outweigh Scant Evidence for Long-Term Benefits - PMC
Based on available data that include approximately 20 lines of evidence from studies in laboratory animal models, observations in humans, correlations in time, and pharmacological/toxicological considerations, it has been concluded without ...
Research shows no causal link between Tylenol and autism | Autism Speaks
A new study shows that there is no link between Tylenol and autism and that the previously reported connection is likely due to other underlying factors.
Also for your reading pleasure. NIH study that essentially debunks the study you are referring to. Parents give tylonel to babies who are constantly fussy, crying and in general uncomfortable - the behaviours and symptoms associated with ADHD and autism.
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Not all vaccines use ‘dead’ viruses, and there’s a shit ton of adjuvants, preservatives and various DNA. Unfortunately.
Common Ingredients in FDA-Approved Vaccines
Common ingredients found in vaccines that are commonly administered to healthy babies, children and adults are discussed to determine their safety and effectiveness.
Research shows no causal link between Tylenol and autism | Autism Speaks
A new study shows that there is no link between Tylenol and autism and that the previously reported connection is likely due to other underlying factors.
Also for your reading pleasure. NIH study that essentially debunks the study you are referring to. Parents give tylonel to babies who are constantly fussy, crying and in general uncomfortable - the behaviours and symptoms associated with ADHD and autism.
Largest study ever, look at children from 1995 to 2019 - 2.5 million children.
