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Close friend pleading with me to not vaccinate our baby

Dr. Kathryn Edwards, MD, a proud graduate of the University of Iowa and one of the leading vaccine developer/experts in the country, repeatedly admitting there are NO studies showing vaccines don’t cause autism.

If you can’t trust the experts who CAN ya trust?

To be fair thats an interview in her living room with a very 1 sided interviewer. Secondly She does say there are studies, but then for specific issues admits there is no studies for either side. The last bit he says there is a study claiming there is a connection between a specific vaccine and autism, she says she is not aware of any credible study, she asks to see it and the video cuts off. That is your dagger??? Wow well done, what a well researched and thorough diagnosis. You just showed should there are studies for mmr vaccines, and no other specific studies on specific vaccines. You are a moron. She claims vaccines are safe well studied and shows no linkeage between Autism and Vaccine. Yet this is what you come away with???
 
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No offense, but your writing and critical thinking skills are both sophomoric, and the articles you link are mostly op-ed quality.

Maybe just stick to giving Joes Place a thumbs up once in awhile and call it good?

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No offense, but your writing and critical thinking skills are both sophomoric, and the articles you link are mostly op-ed quality.

Maybe just stick to giving Joes Place a thumbs up once in awhile and call it good?
Thats literally a peer reviewed journal article on the NIH website with multiple reference. I have linked case studies, peer reviewed articles, interviews, and other investigative journalism.

You post links to X videos, extremely questionable factual websites basically posting historical accounts and trying to show a link between vaccines and autism. Identical triplets would all have the same genetics, so if they had a genetic defect it would all affect them the same. The article you list states medical professionals have told her its a medical defect. As a mother she can either blame herself for faulty genetics, or try to blame a vaccine. You other case recounts a dad in a court case who was not around his kids for years. Has stated he has had multiple run ins with public health officials and the authorities. You then call Polio and vaccines junk science.

I told you about my great uncle who had polio, was in a life time case study. It has the exact same relevance as your references to your 2 cases, except I have a little more factual information. I have an actual diagnosis a case study. However, beyond that it is my word and testimony. You claim he didn't have polio. It has the same relevance as the mother and that dads claim. Yet you believe their stories yet not mine, why, because it fits your hypothesis. You have tried to create a mythology and correlate a situation where kids had a genetic disorder, were actually contraindicated to the vaccine, yet were given it. Just like my friend whose son has Angelman's syndrome. You don't know you have the genetic disorder until a reaction, or not developing motor skills timely.

So comparatively speaking how should I treat you two. I show you case studies, I give you historical references, and you throw up junk that literally has no supporting information.
 
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Yikes! I’d start re-thinking them boosters, boys and girls. 😬

Conclusion Compared to non-vaccinated patients, asymptomatic patients who received their 2nd vaccination 1-180 days prior to imaging showed increased myocardial FDG uptake on PET/CT.

 
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Yikes! I’d start re-thinking them boosters, boys and girls. 😬

Conclusion Compared to non-vaccinated patients, asymptomatic patients who received their 2nd vaccination 1-180 days prior to imaging showed increased myocardial FDG uptake on PET/CT.

Covid and vaccinated both having uptick in PET, quite the study and revelation. Covid affects the heart brilliant. It does show an increase, but is there any ramifications of that increase? Also I think this is only looking at non vaccinated, and also not have gotten covid, those who have gotten covid also have an increased FDG uptake as well I believe.
 
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Yikes! I’d start re-thinking them boosters, boys and girls. 😬

Conclusion Compared to non-vaccinated patients, asymptomatic patients who received their 2nd vaccination 1-180 days prior to imaging showed increased myocardial FDG uptake on PET/CT.

see you ignored my previous post because you know you had nothing relevant to add.
 
Bird flu vaccine looks absolutely yummy! Ask your doctor if poison is right for you!!!
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This Cocker Spaniel cell line is called Madin Darby Canine Kidney MDCK) cells.

The vaccine insert specifically states that MDCK cell protein and MDCK DNA (dog kidney DNA) is found INSIDE each vaccine.

It contains polysorbate 80, which is carcinogenic and disrupts the blood/brain barrier, making it more permeable.

It contains beta-propiolactone (BPL) which is shown to be highly tumorigenic, genotoxic, and carcinogenic in animal studies.

Oh, and the best part? It also contains thimerosal, an extremely toxic derivative of mercury.

11 DESCRIPTION (fda.gov)
AUDENZ, a sterile injectable emulsion for intramuscular use, is an inactivated, monovalent, subunit influenza vaccine prepared from virus propagated in Madin Darby Canine Kidney (MDCK) cells, a continuous cell line. These cells were adapted to grow freely in suspension in culture medium. The virus is inactivated with ß-propiolactone, disrupted by the detergent cetyltrimethylammonium bromide and purified through several process steps. The influenza antigen contained in AUDENZ is manufactured according to the same process as that used to produce the antigens contained in FLUCELVAX® and FLUCELVAX® QUADRIVALENT, which are unadjuvanted seasonal influenza vaccines licensed for use in the United States.
AUDENZ is a milky-white emulsion. Each 0.5 mL dose is formulated to contain 7.5 mcg of hemagglutinin (HA) of the influenza virus strain A/turkey/Turkey/1/2005 NIBRG-23, a reverse genetics-derived reference strain supplied by the National Institute for Biological Standards and Control (NIBSC), and MF59C.1 adjuvant (MF59), a squalene-based oil-in-water emulsion (9.75 mg squalene, 1.175 mg polysorbate 80, 1.175 mg sorbitan trioleate, 0.66 mg sodium citrate dihydrate and 0.04 mg citric acid monohydrate), at pH 6.5-7.7.
Each dose of AUDENZ may also contain residual amounts of protein other than HA (≤ 30 mcg) including MDCK cell protein (<3.15 mcg), MDCK cell DNA (≤ 10 ng), additional polysorbate 80 (≤ 0.375 mg), cetyltrimethylammonium bromide (≤ 4.5 mcg), and ß-propiolactone (≤ 0.1 mcg), which are used in the manufacturing process.
AUDENZ contains no antibiotics.
AUDENZ 0.5 mL single-dose pre-filled syringes contain no preservative.
AUDENZ 5 mL multi-dose vials contain thimerosal, a mercury derivative, added as a preservative. Each 0.5 mL dose from the multi-dose vial contains 25 mcg mercury.
 
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Sigh. Same tired song and dance. Zero merit.
Have you seen this? Absolutely insane! Imagine, a high school kid writing the FDA, asking for a ‘bio-similar’ covid vaccine sample because they want to test it for any self-replicating, plasmid DNA contamination.

In what world do we live in that instead of responding “Thank you for your interest in the safety of these products that we wholeheartedly endorsed, but all those tests have already been run and we can assure you they are totally pure” the FDA says “Sure thing, kid. Just need a PO Box # and we’ll send you some samples in the morning. And Good Luck!” :oops:



 
Have you seen this? Absolutely insane! Imagine, a high school kid writing the FDA, asking for a ‘bio-similar’ covid vaccine sample because they want to test it for any self-replicating, plasmid DNA contamination.

In what world do we live in that instead of responding “Thank you for your interest in the safety of these products that we wholeheartedly endorsed, but all those tests have already been run and we can assure you they are totally pure” the FDA says “Sure thing, kid. Just need a PO Box # and we’ll send you some samples in the morning. And Good Luck!” :oops:



Christina Parks, she is the one that works at a Christian home school entity right. Gave false Covid info to the Michigan legislature,
 
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What relevant info do you have. If it is not pertinent or factual most times I don't respond unless it is so absurd I have to respond just to get us back on track.
There are quite a few that go untouched, but post # 1024 in particular is one that I'm focused on. It summarizes how terrible the available science is. People used to say the science is settled. That couldn't be further from the truth. The fact is vaccines cause damage, and the available "pro-vax" science is CLEARLY not designed to properly assess the extent. That's NOT OK and people need to stop pretending like that's not an issue.
You have no science to support your case just innuendo and completely ignore all positive aspects of vaccines.
THAT^ is not true. I and others have posted many studies, many times. Thankfully most of them can still be found you just need to know how to find them. Google searches are not helpful unless you know the exact title of the studies, or the author and some of the key words. You can find many of the studies nicely arranged on the Children's Health Defense website, but I recently came across another website that also nicely arranges some of these studies: https://howdovaccinescauseautism.org/

and completely ignore all positive aspects of vaccines.
Why the hell would I bring up the positive aspects, you guys go way, way overboard on it so I think that's thoroughly covered. In reality it's less me ignoring the positive aspects and more you ignoring the negative aspects. It's about properly addressing the cost/benefit equation. You folks focus on the benefits while completely ignoring the costs. I personally am focused on safety.
 
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Results: The CDC/FDA’s safety signals were breached for all 37 AEs following COVID-19 vaccination in pregnancy: miscarriage, fetal chromosomal abnormality, fetal malformation, cervical insufficiency, premature rupture of membranes, premature labor, premature delivery, placental calcification, placental infarction, placental thrombosis, placenta accreta, placental abruption, placental insufficiency, placental disorder, fetal maternal hemorrhage, fetal growth restriction, reduced amniotic fluid volume, preeclampsia, fetal heart rate abnormality, fetal cardiac disorder, fetal vascular mal-perfusion, fetal arrhythmia, fetal distress, fetal biophysical profile abnormal, hemorrhage in pregnancy, fetal cardiac arrest, fetal death (stillbirth), premature infant death, neonatal asphyxia, neonatal dyspnea, neonatal infection, neonatal hemorrhage, insufficient breast milk, neonatal pneumonia, neonatal respiratory distress, neonatal respiratory distress syndrome, and neonatal seizure.

Conclusions: We found unacceptably high breaches in safety signals for 37 AEs after COVID-19 vaccination in pregnant women. An immediate global moratorium on COVID-19 vaccination during pregnancy is warranted. The United States government, medical organizations, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies have misled and/or deceived the public regarding the safety of COVID-19 vaccination in pregnancy. Promotion of these products must be immediately halted.


 
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Antivaxxers....just slightly above flat earthers for pure ignorance
In reality, true ignorance is when people group these two in the same ball park. You have countless MDs and scientists questioning vaccines. Quite a few of these people are more than just MDs / scientists, they're at the top of their field. Now a poll is showing only 69% of the US thinks childhood vaccines are important, way down from the 96% in 2001. People are catching on. And another poll in the mid 20-teens indicates those questioning vaccines are affluent and educated so don't give me the - they're all stupid BS.

Should have made them safe in the first place.
 
Results: The CDC/FDA’s safety signals were breached for all 37 AEs following COVID-19 vaccination in pregnancy: miscarriage, fetal chromosomal abnormality, fetal malformation, cervical insufficiency, premature rupture of membranes, premature labor, premature delivery, placental calcification, placental infarction, placental thrombosis, placenta accreta, placental abruption, placental insufficiency, placental disorder, fetal maternal hemorrhage, fetal growth restriction, reduced amniotic fluid volume, preeclampsia, fetal heart rate abnormality, fetal cardiac disorder, fetal vascular mal-perfusion, fetal arrhythmia, fetal distress, fetal biophysical profile abnormal, hemorrhage in pregnancy, fetal cardiac arrest, fetal death (stillbirth), premature infant death, neonatal asphyxia, neonatal dyspnea, neonatal infection, neonatal hemorrhage, insufficient breast milk, neonatal pneumonia, neonatal respiratory distress, neonatal respiratory distress syndrome, and neonatal seizure.

Conclusions: We found unacceptably high breaches in safety signals for 37 AEs after COVID-19 vaccination in pregnant women. An immediate global moratorium on COVID-19 vaccination during pregnancy is warranted. The United States government, medical organizations, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies have misled and/or deceived the public regarding the safety of COVID-19 vaccination in pregnancy. Promotion of these products must be immediately halted.


Imagine being dumb enough to think it was ever OK to vaccinate a pregnant woman (and small children) with these COVID vaccines. Yet our government and health officials STILL go out of their way to promote it.
 
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In reality, true ignorance is when people group these two in the same ball park. You have countless MDs and scientists questioning vaccines. Quite a few of these people are more than just MDs / scientists, they're at the top of their field. Now a poll is showing only 69% of the US thinks childhood vaccines are important, way down from the 96% in 2001. People are catching on. And another poll in the mid 20-teens indicates those questioning vaccines are affluent and educated so don't give me the - they're all stupid BS.

Should have made them safe in the first place.
The covid jab turned out to be a modern day case of the Goose Who Laid the Golden Egg. They just got too greedy.
 
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In reality, true ignorance is when people group these two in the same ball park. You have countless MDs and scientists questioning vaccines. Quite a few of these people are more than just MDs / scientists, they're at the top of their field. Now a poll is showing only 69% of the US thinks childhood vaccines are important, way down from the 96% in 2001. People are catching on. And another poll in the mid 20-teens indicates those questioning vaccines are affluent and educated so don't give me the - they're all stupid BS.

Should have made them safe in the first place.

Polls...they should have all this evidence, right? Publish that shit....if it's valid then I have no problem with totally overhauling the vaccine protocols.
 
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Polls...they should have all this evidence, right? Publish that shit....if it's valid then I have no problem with totally overhauling the vaccine protocols.
Well, here's some:

"Higher income, White population, and private school type significantly predicted greater increases in exemptions from 2007 to 2013, whereas higher educational attainment was associated with smaller increases."
"We found that vaccine refusal is positively associated with adult education level and religious adherence, corroborating previous studies"
"Exemption rates were also associated with race, population density, education, and income."
"In metropolitan areas, vaccine exemptions were positively correlated with wealth and attained educational level."
 
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I recently came across another website that also nicely arranges some of these studies: https://howdovaccinescauseautism.org/
Are you back to claiming thimerosal causes autism? That's the claim of at least one of the studies at your link -

Does acute exposure to thimerosal, an organic mercury compound, affect the mitohondrial function of an infant model?

- but you've said previously you NEVER believed that. Once again, you have no f'n idea what you're talking about.
 
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LOL...look at you projecting your anger to avoid answering.

Answer. The. Question.

Does thimerosal cause autism or not?
Give it a rest. I'm not obligated to answer anything, especially from a poster who's consistently been a dick. Thimerosal is highly toxic and I believe it exacerbates neurological damage when combined with aluminum. I believe aluminum adjuvant is the heavy-hitter as it relates to autism.
 
They’ll never get it.

Autism is just one of MANY adverse events caused by the MANY harmful ingredients contained in WAYY too many unnecessary injections.

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That's not true at all.

 
They’ll never get it.

Autism is just one of MANY adverse events caused by the MANY harmful ingredients contained in WAYY too many unnecessary injections.

🤷‍♂️
Brian's link:
"Claims that vaccines are linked to autism, or are unsafe when administered according to the recommended schedule, have been disproven by a robust body of medical literature."

I mean come on. 🤡 😆

At the middle of the page is the CDC "Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism" link that doesn't work anymore because they learned they can't say that, as we have here as well. The two links they provided on that page people were catching on were rabbit hole links to nowhere.
Michael it is literally a 🤡 world.
 
That's not true at all.

Brian, we can't say "Vaccines Don't Cause Autism". Why haven't you learned yet that's not what the available science tells us?
 
That's not true at all.

The old Wakefield line again.

“The controversy started first when Andrew Wakefield and colleagues published a study in 1998 in The Lancet, linking the MMR vaccine to autism, with a sample of 12 subjects. Vaccinations for MMR dropped after celebrities began saying the same thing.”

The ‘controversy’ started almost ten years after Wakefield’s article, when social media became popular enough to start causing American moms to question the safety of vaccines…a lot of them moms with vaccine-injured children.

Regardless, Wakefield was a straw man. His article clearly stated: “We proved no link between the MMR vaccine and autism”. They did, however, find enough clear correlation that merited further investigations.

Last week I posted the deposition of Dr Kathryn Edwards, one of the world’s leading vaccinologists, who CLEARLY stated NO studies have ever been disproving the claim that vaccines (can) cause autism.

You’re heavily invested in snake oil, dude.
 
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Brian's link:
"Claims that vaccines are linked to autism, or are unsafe when administered according to the recommended schedule, have been disproven by a robust body of medical literature."

I mean come on. 🤡 😆

At the middle of the page is the CDC "Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism" link that doesn't work anymore because they learned they can't say that, as we have here as well. The two links they provided on that page people were catching on were rabbit hole links to nowhere.
Michael it is literally a 🤡 world.
It really is. 😕
 
What do you think the ENTIRE reason was for granting the manufacturers immunity in the first place? Is that not evidence? Is that not factual? The manufacturers were causing enough injury they were threatening to stop making vaccines altogether. How many more vaccines/ingredients have been added to the schedule since? Now, exactly what incentives have the manufacturers had to make their products better after they simply removed liability? HHS was tasked to report to congress every two years of any continued follow-up studies or evidence of improved product safety since 1986. How many times has that been done? Yeah that's right....zero. Hmmmm. What's going on here?

Then you have the incredibly shoddy clinical trial data. Extreme short-term, zero inert placebo, low powered science for idiots that is of course designed to not capture injury. Hmmmm. What's going on here?

Then, you have little over a hundred or so retrospective epidemiological studies and meta analyses of those studies, at least some on pg 4 of this thread that THBB posted. They ALL only look at MMR, or thimerosal, or both. None of the other vaccines, and none of the other ingredients. This science was clearly done to appease the idiots who have no clue. But heck if a guy in a white coat lazily says that's good enough, then the people will lazily listen. Last I checked there are more ingredients and more vaccine types on the childhood schedule. Ask THBB for aluminum studies and he him-haw stutters worse than Porky Pig. The fact is, nobody can produce those studies that indicate safety because they don't exist. Hmmmm. What's going on here?

Then, they try to silence the people who try to talk about this stuff. Youtube, FB, Google searches....it's all disappeared. There used to be countless videos on Youtube about people blaming vaccines for their kid's autism. The only place you can talk about these things now is Twitter. It's almost as if they're trying to hide something, don't ya think?

Then you have the studies that actually do indicate issues with vaccine injury causing some of those chronic conditions, many of which the authors call for more studies to be done. I and others have posted them many times. These studies indicate autoimmune issues, ADD/ADDHD, Asthma, etc., and we know that aluminum and thimerosal are neurotoxic. Do they do any of those follow-up studies the authors call for? What do you think?

Bunsen. What exactly do you expect me to think?
This is your smoking gun post? I have responded and acknowledged 2 studies that showed some relation between autism and vaccines, also showing why they were inherently flawed. The anti vaccine movement has been growing for 20 years, yet you have zero big case studies showing any correlation. Go get your money together go to a respected college or research institute and do the study. The issue is you dont trust scientists or their studies so you immediately think they are inherently flawed unless it supports your viewpoint. I guess I am similar I give much more credence to pro vaccine studies because there is much more out the and the few out there with negative conclusions have had many identified flaws that cannot be replicated in future studies.
There are quite a few that go untouched, but post # 1024 in particular is one that I'm focused on. It summarizes how terrible the available science is. People used to say the science is settled. That couldn't be further from the truth. The fact is vaccines cause damage, and the available "pro-vax" science is CLEARLY not designed to properly assess the extent. That's NOT OK and people need to stop pretending like that's not an issue.

THAT^ is not true. I and others have posted many studies, many times. Thankfully most of them can still be found you just need to know how to find them. Google searches are not helpful unless you know the exact title of the studies, or the author and some of the key words. You can find many of the studies nicely arranged on the Children's Health Defense website, but I recently came across another website that also nicely arranges some of these studies: https://howdovaccinescauseautism.org/


Why the hell would I bring up the positive aspects, you guys go way, way overboard on it so I think that's thoroughly covered. In reality it's less me ignoring the positive aspects and more you ignoring the negative aspects. It's about properly addressing the cost/benefit equation. You folks focus on the benefits while completely ignoring the costs. I personally am focused on safety.
1. This is a decent response. Now let’s go through it.

2. I responded to post 1024. The biggest issue I see is you distrust science and vaccines, so you will only acknowledge studies or statements that support your thesis. You want more studies but inherently distrust the studies and when they come out with a conclusion you don’t like you ignore it,

3. I will acknowledge some do not react well to vaccines but it’s a very small amount. They shouldn’t take them fine. However then herd immunity should protect them. However there is still 0 legitimate factual study showing vaccines cause autism, ADHD ect. Now during some reactions some disorders come to light in extremely rare cases. The issue though like the triplets, it wasn’t the vaccine, it was the disorder, that also didn’t process the vaccine well. It’s the chicken and the egg argument.

4. When you and Kellers keep posting these post from quacks like the one above who likes to show off the title DR., yet has done nothing in the medical field for decades and works in a Christian home schooled entity, it makes your entire argument look like tin foil conspiracy theorists thinking it will protect you against aliens. It becomes silly and so far fetched.

5. The issue is we haven’t had a covid like event effect the children for over 6 decades, mostly due to vaccines. What you are proposing is a complete pull back of vaccines, and when children start dying left and right like history has shown us time and time again what is your response? This is the ultimate argument that you keep ignoring.
 
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This is your smoking gun post? I have responded and acknowledged 2 studies that showed some relation between autism and vaccines, also showing why they were inherently flawed. The anti vaccine movement has been growing for 20 years, yet you have zero big case studies showing any correlation. Go get your money together go to a respected college or research institute and do the study. The issue is you dont trust scientists or their studies so you immediately think they are inherently flawed unless it supports your viewpoint. I guess I am similar I give much more credence to pro vaccine studies because there is much more out the and the few out there with negative conclusions have had many identified flaws that cannot be replicated in future studies.

1. This is a decent response. Now let’s go through it.

2. I responded to post 1024. The biggest issue I see is you distrust science and vaccines, so you will only acknowledge studies or statements that support your thesis. You want more studies but inherently distrust the studies and when they come out with a conclusion you don’t like you ignore it,

3. I will acknowledge some do not react well to vaccines but it’s a very small amount. They shouldn’t take them fine. However then herd immunity should protect them. However there is still 0 legitimate factual study showing vaccines cause autism, ADHD ect. Now during some reactions some disorders come to light in extremely rare cases. The issue though like the triplets, it wasn’t the vaccine, it was the disorder, that also didn’t process the vaccine well. It’s the chicken and the egg argument.

4. When you and Kellers keep posting these post from quacks like the one above who likes to show off the title DR., yet has done nothing in the medical field for decades and works in a Christian home schooled entity, it makes your entire argument look like tin foil conspiracy theorists thinking it will protect you against aliens. It becomes silly and so far fetched.

5. The issue is we haven’t had a covid like event effect the children for over 6 decades, mostly due to vaccines. What you are proposing is a complete pull back of vaccines, and when children start dying left and right like history has shown us time and time again what is your response? This is the ultimate argument that you keep ignoring.
Christina Parks has a PhD in cellular and molecular biology.

Her opinion is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than yours.
 
Christina Parks has a PhD in cellular and molecular biology.

Her opinion is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than yours.
She supported hydroxichloroquine for Covid. and still states vaccines cause autism. She works for church based home school program. She has done no research in 20 years, she has treated no patients, her claim to fame is parroting the same websites you are. I feel comfortable standing by the 99.9% other medical professionals that are actually practicing healthcare who disagree with her.
 
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She supported hydroxichloroquine for Covid. and still states vaccines cause autism. She works for church based home school program. She has done no research in 20 years, she has treated no patients, her claim to fame is parroting the same websites you are. I feel comfortable standing by the 99.9% other medical professionals that are actually practicing healthcare who disagree with her.
PhD in cellular and molecular biology vs. a Joes Place groupie.

No contest.
 
PhD in cellular and molecular biology vs. a Joes Place groupie.

No contest.
Show me 1 piece of research she has done. With her phd she should have a ton . . . You mean she has none and hasn’t used her phd in decades? So are calling all the other doctors, physicians researchers phds who disagree with her Joes place groupies. I’m on their side, you realize how stupid your argument is. It’s like saying my great grandpa played in the mlb, with him I could beat you in a baseball game. Her degree has minimal to non existent attributions to current vaccine research.
 
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