Close friend pleading with me to not vaccinate our baby
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So we went from zero evidence, zero studies to zero big case studies huh?
The researchers would probably lose their job, respect, and ultimately their personal well being. Ask Chris Exley (and others) how it all works. NOW THAT'S SCIENCE! What a joke.
Do you not understand they replicate the same flawed studies over and over again? MMR, thimerosal, or both. Wash rinse repeat, and completely ignore everything else. The other vaccines, other ingredients, synergistic interactions among all scheduled vaccines. Then do several meta analyses on those same studies, claim they are high powered with hundreds of thousands of kids and then claim the science is settled. That's essentially what happened. How is that not clown world? Why the hell would you or anyone who understands science give any bit of credence to that?
No, I obviously acknowledge those studies, the studies I just told you about. I also MUST acknowledge the fact that they're missing the rest of the schedule! The question is, why aren't you acknowledging that?
Based on the comment after this, you're talking efficacy. I'll grant you efficacy for the sake of this discussion. I'm focused on safety.
So it was the vaccine? Without the vaccine the child would have been unaffected.
As I said, there are countless of MDs and scientists who now question vaccines. Moving them all into the "quack" category because they're all using their brain in critical thought and questioning the science (like scientists are supposed to do), is disingenuous at best.
The trouble is, you can't even say "mostly due to vaccines" because the trajectory of infectious disease was already on the way down. Already down ~90% without vaccines, so you can't assign numbers -of any sort- to the rest of the decrease.
Children start dying left and right from what exactly? They weren't dying in the streets in the 80's when the schedule was like 1/10 what it is today. Also, studies have shown the US currently leads in child / infant mortality among other wealthy nations, more than all other nations in the study combined, yet we're the most vaccinated. So as you can see your argument basically has no legs to stand on.
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Dying from a slight fever, some red bumps and the sniffles, duh!
LOL...I'm a dick to those who lie through their teeth. Otherwise, I'm a peach of a human being.
Well, we know you lie through your teeth soooo.....
Here you go; just the teeniest tip of the iceberg.
How much more evidence do you need? Here is a list of over 1000 scientific studies, references and reports linking COVID vaccines to hundreds of adverse effects and deaths. (UPDATED)
.IgE-mediated allergy to polyethylene glycol (PEG) as a cause of anaphylaxis to COVID-19 mRNA vaccines: 59-year-old woman with extensive deep venous thrombosis and pulmonary thromboembolism 7 days …
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"There is no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective."
Did he qualify that? Did he say "No vaccines EXCEPT polio"?
Why...no, he didn't. In fact, he then claimed with absolutely ZERO evidence that the polio vaccine caused an "explosion" in soft tissue cancers. That's a fvcking lie.
You can keep lying and stuffing your empty head up RFK's idiot ass but you're just gonna come out smelling like the shit you spout.
Those are cases. Also I believe just reports, so an individual throws a clot, was it the vaccine or something that would have occurredHere you go; just the teeniest tip of the iceberg.
How much more evidence do you need? Here is a list of over 1000 scientific studies, references and reports linking COVID vaccines to hundreds of adverse effects and deaths. (UPDATED)
.IgE-mediated allergy to polyethylene glycol (PEG) as a cause of anaphylaxis to COVID-19 mRNA vaccines: 59-year-old woman with extensive deep venous thrombosis and pulmonary thromboembolism 7 days …
anyway. If we want to do individual cases, I know personally over 200 people who died from Covid. A handful who have long covid symptoms too, including mental issues. I am only aware of possible 1 covid related issue that could have been the vaccine, or natural causes, had a heart attack and passed away. Most likely unrelated to the vaccine, stressful job and smoker as well. These are not studies, these are singular cases, get your terminology right. And then you wonder why we say you 2 don't give factual information.
No lies that just said Covid was forced upon people with no clinical trials, that bullshit.
Here are his words. You have some issues. He is for Vaccines and the schedules in 1 point. Still wants to link them to autism in another. Will he demand vaccines - that is likely a no. Basically wants to dismantle the CDC. Akcnowledges he has no scientific background but thinks he can spot "junk science." No offense, all of those statements are a jumbled mess that you can't reconcile. He is a bizarre pick.
A: [Trump] is troubled by questions of the links between certain vaccines and the epidemic of neurodevelopmental disorders including autism. And he has a number—he told me five—friends, he talked about each one of them, who has the same story of a child, a perfectly healthy child who went into a wellness visit around age 2, got a battery of vaccines, spiked a fever, and then developed a suite of deficits in the 3 months following the vaccine.
[Trump] said that he understood that anecdote was not science, but said that if there's enough anecdotal evidence … that we'd be arrogant to dismiss it. Those were his words.
A: To make sure that we're getting good science out of CDC.
A: Exactly. [CDC] is the locus of most of the most serious problems with the vaccine program, the two divisions at CDC: the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices and the Immunization Safety Office, which is where the scientists are.
A: No. My background is I'm an environmental lawyer. I'm not a scientist. But I have an expertise, I would say, in reading science and spotting junk science because that's what I do with most of my time.
Q: Rates of childhood infectious diseases have plummeted over the past half-century or so. Are you out to return us to the dark ages?
A: I am for vaccines. I have been tracking mercury in fish for 30 years and nobody has called me antifish. I am pro-vaccine. I had all my kids vaccinated. I think vaccines save lives. But we are also seeing an explosion in neurodevelopmental disorders and we ought to be able to do a cost-benefit analysis and see what's causing them. We ought to have robust, transparent science and an independent regulatory agency. Nobody is trying to get rid of vaccines here. I just want safe vaccines.
Those are studies conducted on individual cases. Also I believe just reports, so an individual throws a clot, was it the vaccine or something that would have occurred
anyway. You believed wrong. If we want to do individual cases, I know personally over 200 people who died from Covid. Sure. I believe you. A handful who have long covid symptoms too, including mental issues. I definitely believe the ‘mental issues’ part. I am only aware of possible 1 covid related issue that could have been the vaccine, or natural causes, had a heart attack and passed away. Most likely unrelated to the vaccine, stressful job and smoker as well. I know of four just in my family (including in-laws) These are not studies, these are singular cases, get your terminology right. 🤣 And then you wonder why we say you 2 don't give factual information. Oh, noes!
Michael, you claimed they were studies, definitely not studies. Case reports. If you want all the obituaries in my 2 communities would love to do it, around 50 of them 40-60 year old male idiots claiming they would never get the vaccine, then died. All because they wouldn't get a vaccine that could have save their lives. They were playing Russian roulette due to bad vaccine reporting and paid their life for it. What I have asked for is a full study, on vaccines for kids, that is what we are talking about, not a rehash of the Covid vaccines.
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You are joking about people dying from Covid? If that is your response, there is seriously something wrong with you. Keeping children or adults healthy and safe is not your goal.
I was laughing at you claiming to personally know 200 people who died ‘from covid’.
Besides, you called them idiots. Not very compassionate of you.
There were 5 bragging about not getting the Covid shot and dying shortly after how else am I supposed to look at it. Someone saying they are tough, so not wearing a seatbelt then dying in a crash. I can be sad they passed away and acknowledge at the same time they died by idiotic choices.
sorryantivaxxer.com | stories of anti-vaxxers who died from COVID.
They thought COVID was a scam, until they lay dying from it. sorryantivaxxer.com tells their story using their own facebook and twitter posts.
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Not very Christ-like of you.sorryantivaxxer.com | stories of anti-vaxxers who died from COVID.
They thought COVID was a scam, until they lay dying from it. sorryantivaxxer.com tells their story using their own facebook and twitter posts.
Michael how is it not christ-like? Thou shall not lie. Thats not an issue here. Maybe you go with cast the first stone. However those individuals have passed away. This is a discussion between us, discussing facts. Again you seem to have a very bizarre view or science, vaccinations, the church and what truth is.
Vaccine or no vaccine, that's what 40-60 year old men do,.. Die.
Holy crap, so do I just say kids get sick and die as well or get autism, so Michael and Natural have no argument? Are you guys really this dense?
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