Confirmed ...vouchers were a handout to wealthy.

[gohawks50]

No. That was never promised, or a part of this program. It’s not possible. That should be obvious.
To pretend you want something that is impossible is stupid and pointless.

There are limited enrollment opportunities. If they aren’t full yet, they soon will be. So, an acceptance procedure will have to be implemented at each school. Which each school board will develop.

The main reason people like you and others want your children to attend private schools is because of their ability to refuse to educate disruptive, difficult, and low achieving students. That's great and it was always a choice for parents to choose that route. The problem I have is selling the vouchers as a choice for all parents/students. That's simply not true, the choice is the private school's not the parents. Then to compound the unfairness of the voucher system, people want to claim private schools are better at educating students than public schools, when the fact is they simply avoid the problem of educating difficult students by not allowing them to attend.

Go ahead love your private school, tout their achievements, but don't pretend they are better than public schools when they get to play by different rules.

 

[anon_911569jwrmy3z]

The main reason people like you and others want your children to attend private schools is because of their ability to refuse to educate disruptive, difficult, and low achieving students. That's great and it was always a choice for parents to choose that route. The problem I have is selling the vouchers as a choice for all parents/students. That's simply not true, the choice is the private school's not the parents. Then to compound the unfairness of the voucher system, people want to claim private schools are better at educating students than public schools, when the fact is they simply avoid the problem of educating difficult students by not allowing them to attend.

Go ahead love your private school, tout their achievements, but don't pretend they are better than public schools when they get to play by different rules.

I sent my kids to private schools. Everything you post is spot on, which is why I am against vouchers/ESAs. The problem with public schools is their inability/unwillingness to remove disruptive students.

 

[RileyHawk]

The main reason people like you and others want your children to attend private schools is because of their ability to refuse to educate disruptive, difficult, and low achieving students. That's great and it was always a choice for parents to choose that route. The problem I have is selling the vouchers as a choice for all parents/students. That's simply not true, the choice is the private school's not the parents. Then to compound the unfairness of the voucher system, people want to claim private schools are better at educating students than public schools, when the fact is they simply avoid the problem of educating difficult students by not allowing them to attend.

Go ahead love your private school, tout their achievements, but don't pretend they are better than public schools when they get to play by different rules.

Those are valid reasons but the main one is that they benefit monetarily as does their church.

 

[Pinehawk]

The main reason people like you and others want your children to attend private schools is because of their ability to refuse to educate disruptive, difficult, and low achieving students. That's great and it was always a choice for parents to choose that route. The problem I have is selling the vouchers as a choice for all parents/students. That's simply not true, the choice is the private school's not the parents. Then to compound the unfairness of the voucher system, people want to claim private schools are better at educating students than public schools, when the fact is they simply avoid the problem of educating difficult students by not allowing them to attend.

Go ahead love your private school, tout their achievements, but don't pretend they are better than public schools when they get to play by different rules.

This is largely true. But, ’school choice’ is a poor way to frame it. There are not unlimited enrollment openings.
You, and others, want private schools to follow the same rules that cause the problems at public schools.
I, and others, want private schools to be able to continue what has made them successful, instead of forcing public school problems on private schools.

 

[RileyHawk]

This is largely true. But, ’school choice’ is a poor way to frame it. There are not unlimited enrollment openings.
You, and others, want private schools to follow the same rules that cause the problems at public schools.
I, and others, want private schools to be able to continue what has made them successful, instead of forcing public school problems on private schools.

How about having them follow the rules that govern charter schools which are highly successful?

Makes one wonder what they are hiding.

You're a shill.

 

[Tom Paris]

Many of the new students this school year, who are utilizing this program are minorities.

Many? That’s BS. This grift doesn’t include minorities in poverty. What did Regina add from south of highway 6? How many kids from those neighborhoods? 1? 2? 5? Lol.

 

[Tom Paris]

How many?

Beat me to it.

 

[Tom Paris]

I was told over half of the new students from this past fall. And, that they were very appreciative of the opportunity.

Someone lied to you.

 

[Tom Paris]

I’m talking about one school, not all of them. But, I’d support releasing those numbers, I hope they do.
Not that you wouldn’t complain about it, no matter what they were.

When Davenport Assumption adds a couple hundred minority students on free and reduced lunch, along with 2 dozen special education students I’ll shut up about it. We all know they don’t want that.

 

[Tom Paris]

This is largely true. But, ’school choice’ is a poor way to frame it. There are not unlimited enrollment openings.
You, and others, want private schools to follow the same rules that cause the problems at public schools.
I, and others, want private schools to be able to continue what has made them successful, instead of forcing public school problems on private schools.

Wrong as usual.

 

[Tom Paris]

I sent my kids to private schools. Everything you post is spot on, which is why I am against vouchers/ESAs. The problem with public schools is their inability/unwillingness to remove disruptive students.

Yep. Laws need to be changed and/or school board policies to be enforced.

 

[Pinehawk]

Yep. Laws need to be changed and/or school board policies to be enforced.

The law was just changed. So that families can send their kids to schools that do actually enforce their policies

 

[RileyHawk]

The law was just changed. So that families can send their kids to schools that do actually enforce their policies

You just admitted this is not the case. The school makes the choice.

 

[gohawks50]

This is largely true. But, ’school choice’ is a poor way to frame it. There are not unlimited enrollment openings.
You, and others, want private schools to follow the same rules that cause the problems at public schools.
I, and others, want private schools to be able to continue what has made them successful, instead of forcing public school problems on private schools.

If a public school gets a large number of new students they must find a way to educate them whether they have the space or staff to accommodate them. I have never wanted private schools to have to follow the same rules that cause problems in the public schools, but now that they get the same reimbursement from state resources they should have to follow the same rules.

 

[Pinehawk]

You just admitted this is not the case. The school makes the choice.

They have an admissions process and an enrollment cap.

 

[Pinehawk]

If a public school gets a large number of new students they must find a way to educate them whether they have the space or staff to accommodate them. I have never wanted private schools to have to follow the same rules that cause problems in the public schools, but now that they get the same reimbursement from state resources they should have to follow the same rules.

No, they shouldn’t. That would create a worse outcome for students.

 

[gohawks50]

No, they shouldn’t. That would create a worse outcome for students.

Why should private schools be able to take money from all Iowa tax payers, but not be required to educate every Iowa child that wants to attend their school?

 

[RileyHawk]

They have an admissions process and an enrollment cap.

Yes. School's choice, not school choice for parents/students.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

If a public school gets a large number of new students they must find a way to educate them whether they have the space or staff to accommodate them.

Remember that the next time you vote for a president that encourages a surge of migrants to the border.

 

[gohawks50]

Remember that the next time you vote for a president that encourages a surge of migrants to the border.

I wasn't complaining, I was explaining the difference in requirements between public and private schools. Most Iowa public schools are thrilled when their enrollment increases.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

I wasn't complaining, I was explaining the difference in requirements between public and private schools. Most Iowa public schools are thrilled when their enrollment increases.

I doubt that when a bunch of ESL students land at the same time.

 

[gohawks50]

I doubt that when a bunch of ESL students land at the same time.

That's because you have no clue about public school finances.

 

[Tom Paris]

The law was just changed. So that families can send their kids to schools that do actually enforce their policies

JFC…NOT ALL KIDS!!!!

 

[Tom Paris]

Remember that the next time you vote for a president that encourages a surge of migrants to the border.

You voted for Trump twice.

 

[SL Hawk Fan]

This is largely true. But, ’school choice’ is a poor way to frame it. There are not unlimited enrollment openings.
You, and others, want private schools to follow the same rules that cause the problems at public schools.
I, and others, want private schools to be able to continue what has made them successful, instead of forcing public school problems on private schools.

Why on earth, should taxpayers be responsible for subsidizing this desire of yours?

 

[LBoogie28]

This is just bullshit jargon with no actual substance.

Have a good one.

I don’t know…I think I am convinced schools should be just like Chic-fil-a’s.

 

[RileyHawk]

I doubt that when a bunch of ESL students land at the same time.

Wow - not only are you a moron but you're a racist too. Bad combination.

 

[stout1]

The “thing” that makes private schools successful is discrimination and segregation.

Again, when you control for the variables, public schools educate the kids who match the private school attendee profile as well or sometimes better than private schools.

At the end of the day this is bigger than type of school. It is a societal issue. Some of us would like to address this. Others would like public subsidies so they can hide from it and enrich their religious institutions.

 

[Pinehawk]

Why on earth, should taxpayers be responsible for subsidizing this desire of yours?

Because as a society we commit to the education of ALL of our children, through our taxes, for the betterment of everyone.

 

[globalhawk]

Because as a society we commit to the education of ALL of our children, through our taxes, for the betterment of everyone.

But private schools don't believe in the betterment of everyone. Just the ones they want.

 

[Chishawk1425]

@Pinehawk there is no excuse for this despicable legislation. Iowa was #2 in education when I graduated. This bullshit undermines everything the 20th century Iowan grew up with. PERIOD. This is absolutely an attack on public education. Stop excusing the inexcusable!!!!

 

[SL Hawk Fan]

Because as a society we commit to the education of ALL of our children, through our taxes, for the betterment of everyone.

It seems you may be suffering from an irony deficiency.

 

[Gus is dead]

You do. You support the religious entities that are greatly benefitting from this.

God Damn you're a moron. Do people need golf to live? Do people need food?

When you can provide the numbers of private school attendees who are at or below the poverty line you can use that line of argument. Until then it's just you spinning a family that makes $80K plus who were sending their kids to private school are now being subsidized.

God damn you're a moron? Translation: I am getting owned here.

Try to post just once where you don't feel obligated to insult the poster you are replying to.

Yes. I support the use of tax dollars to use towards the school of my choice. One could make an argument that we should only be credited the amount of your tax dollars that would go to education prior, to be used towards your new school so as to not have others subsidizing it. But, that has never been the case in the entire history of state education funding. People that don't have kids, or whose kids are out of school, have always funded everyone else's.

The way it works is you get to take the money the state would have spent on you to educate you in public education and take it to the school you'd like. The money simply get diverted from the public school to the private one. Are you arguing that the public school should still get your dollars even though you aren't attending their school? Why does the public school need those dollars? They aren't educating your kids with them.

You and I will disagree I'm sure but the solution to the public school woes is not more money. I will wager right now that we don't see an appreciable decline in public school student performance post this law. We will see. I am not for the law if we see significant declines directly attributable to it.

Lastly, how can you on one hand argue that hardly any students moved to parochial school and on the other claim that schools are gonna suffer if any students at all take advantage of this?

It's because you have one interest only. That is perpetuating the falsehood that public education and the extraction of tax dollars from taxpayers to fund it is the only option we should be allowed to have. Public education, whether primary, secondary or post graduate, is the method in which the left is attempting to move the Overton window and indoctrinate our children. I want no part of your liberal agenda. That ideology dominates the educational landscape. Conservative opinions are not considered valuable. This is the primary reason my wife and I sent my kids to parochial school. Reminder she teaches 1st grade in public school.....We agree that some of the exposures kids get in public school are not things they need exposed to at an early age. Do I think schools focus on this? No I don't. But I don't want some things discussed at all. I especially don't want an environment where it is considered the responsibility of the school to keep things such as gender confusion from the parents if the school is aware of it.

Primary school should be about socialization and math reading and science. Not how to value other cultures over being an citizen of America.

 

[Pinehawk]

@Pinehawk there is no excuse for this despicable legislation. Iowa was #2 in education when I graduated. This bullshit undermines everything the 20th century Iowan grew up with. PERIOD. This is absolutely an attack on public education. Stop excusing the inexcusable!!!!

Nobody was asking for this legislation. The Governor made this happen.
And, people knew she was going to do it, and still re-elected her.
I’ve never voted for her. But, rural Iowa didn’t care about this.
So, this is what the people wanted I guess.

 

[globalhawk]

@Pinehawk if your statement is true and mine is not, why can private schools reject students? Remember ... ALL students.

 

[Pinehawk]

@Pinehawk if your statement is true and mine is not, why can private schools reject students? Remember ... ALL students.

Because they have an enrollment cap. And, a history of smaller classes/smaller infrastructure, due in part to funding challenges.

 

[Chishawk1425]

Nobody was asking for this legislation. The Governor made this happen.
And, people knew she was going to do it, and still re-elected her.
I’ve never voted for her. But, rural Iowa didn’t care about this.
So, this is what the people wanted I guess.

The Governor went against the will of the people. We know. Why do you continually try and defend this bullshit? Help me understand.

 

[globalhawk]

Because they have an enrollment cap. And, a history of smaller classes/smaller infrastructure, due in part to funding challenges.

But if you believe ALL students should be educated isn't this a problem? Are some students being treated unfairly even though their parents are paying taxes as well?

 

[Bearhawk0505]

Nobody has mentioned resources. Does anyone look at that? I know of some Regina families worth millions of dollars that likely qualify for vouchers as I don’t think they have much actual income, but have sold businesses or come from very prominent families. This entire legislation is a debacle.

 

[Pinehawk]

You all ask a lot of questions.
I wouldn’t say I defend it, but I do think it is the right thing to do.
Fund children, not institutions. And let families make their own education decisions.

No, it’s not a problem. It’s the same situation we’ve been in, with regards to public and private schools. The only thing that’s changed is funding in a new way. Which expands educational access for MORE. Which is an improvement.
People should get their name on the waiting list soon if they are interested, because it’s going to get longer.