Confirmed ...vouchers were a handout to wealthy.

[tarheelbybirth]

Always avoiding the question.
Always afraid of where honestly answering takes you I guess.

Don't talk about honest answers. You've been asked why private schools getting public money don't have to meet the same standards as public schools. You haven't come close to responding on point. The dishonesty reeks with every post.

Answer the question.

 

[Tiny Hands Trump]

Also good news.. in the programs first year it was *only* 20% over its estimated budget. Maga's everywhere applaud. No doubt this will get better going forward.

 

[Pinehawk]

You dense?

Nearly 2/3 of vouchers went to parents of students already attending private schools.

Really weak effort to deflect.

Be better and up your game.

But I was told they were all rich?
Now, I’m finding out 2/3 of those already attending private school were families making less than 80k?

Sounds like they were making a big financial sacrifice to afford school, thankfully this program will help them out a lot.

 

[globalhawk]

Answer the question and we can get there.
Avoiding answering the question won’t help you to understand.

This is a question seeking your opinion:

Would it be detrimental to the University of Iowa’s mission to accept anyone regardless of their scholastic ability?

Yes. There you go.

 

[RileyHawk]

Do you think giving students choice in college is worse than if everyone was assigned a college based on where they lived?

Is college completely publicly funded?

 

[Pinehawk]

I notice that public school employees really hate the idea of competition and the notion they might have to be responsive to consumers instead of a bureaucracy.

Can’t imagine why, if they genuinely felt secure in what they were offering the public, they fear public choice.

Nailed it.

 

[RileyHawk]

So you admit to the fact that the 67% of current private school students were only given the money if they had a ‘need’ ?

Because this doesn’t fit your attempted narrative. It kinda sounds like you’re saying that kids whose parents were already sending them to private despite the fact they couldn’t afford to don’t deserve help?

Not all parochial students have rich parents. That’s the message I’m taking from this story. I’m glad they got the help.

I get it. You’re all in on taking money from taxpayers and forcing them to pay into a system that is failing by any measure. Choice isn’t in your vocabulary. I believe when you pay tax to support education it shouldn’t be to support only public school. You should be able to choose your school. Just as you do in college.

And yes, before you usually drag out your typical trope, I believe that the parochial school should have to measure and report. If I was the governor or a legislator, I would push for that. Every law has holes. This happens to be one here. But to use the old saying, I don’t think you throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I get it you’re a typical tax and spend liberal. I just don’t subscribe to that point of view.

No. Why would you say something that stupid and completely wrong? They were able to afford private school before so there was no "need" for the funds. $85K for a family of four. That's not needy, that's middle class.

Then you follow that up with blatant lies. I am absolutely for choice and there always has been choice. This policy is not choice for parents/students, it's choice for the religious entities to determine who they want to accept. Trying to pass this off as "school choice" is another lie - it's "school's choice".

This policy is wrong at it's core, the fact that it's implemented with no oversight, reporting or testing is simply another reason why it's a scam. But you and your brethren benefit from it so you will turn a blind eye to that and the rest of the ridiculousness as you and your church cash in.

Despicable.

 

[RileyHawk]

65k for a family of four? You’re delusional.

It's $85K you ****ing moron. Over $110K next year and no limit after that.

 

[RileyHawk]

Answer the question and we can get there.
Avoiding answering the question won’t help you to understand.

This is a question seeking your opinion:

Would it be detrimental to the University of Iowa’s mission to accept anyone regardless of their scholastic ability?

Why won't you answer questions?

 

[Gus is dead]

It's $85K you ****ing moron. Over $110K next year and no limit after that.

Ok. 85k and a family of four doesn't exactly a put the 5k/year cost of attendance in the afford it category.

Try to avoid the name calling or I'll put you on ignore.

 

[Tom Paris]

Always avoiding the question.
Always afraid of where honestly answering takes you I guess.

Dude, your question has nothing to do with the topic.

 

[RileyHawk]

But I was told they were all rich?
Now, I’m finding out 2/3 of those already attending private school were families making less than 80k?

Sounds like they were making a big financial sacrifice to afford school, thankfully this program will help them out a lot.

They were all able to afford it. My guess is you and the other benefactors from this grift will want the State to start paying for a country club membership because the public courses aren't good enough.

 

[RileyHawk]

Ok. 85k and a family of four doesn't exactly a put the 5k/year cost of attendance in the afford it category.

Try to avoid the name calling or I'll put you on ignore.

It does when they have been paying it. And GFY you ****ing ignorant rube.

 

[Tom Paris]

But I was told they were all rich?
Now, I’m finding out 2/3 of those already attending private school were families making less than 80k?

Sounds like they were making a big financial sacrifice to afford school, thankfully this program will help them out a lot.

Do the percentage of kids in poverty. Minorities. You’re always full of shit on this topic.

 

[Pinehawk]

They were all able to afford it. .

By sacrificing other financial priorities. Which they should not have had to do. Now, they don’t.

 

[Pinehawk]

Do the percentage of kids in poverty. Minorities. You’re always full of shit on this topic.

Many of the new students this school year, who are utilizing this program are minorities.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

300% of the poverty level or roughly $65K per year for a family of four is the first year income limit. Over $110K the 2nd year and no income requirements thereafter. It's a subsidy for the religious organizations and the people who support them.

What a false narrative you spin.

It's called school choice, parents pay taxes for education and those parents deserve a choice of where those dollars are spent.

Iowa just fell in line with what is happening over and over in the U.S.

 

[RileyHawk]

By sacrificing other financial priorities. Which they should not have had to do. Now, they don’t.

You have no idea about that. How many students do they have that are at or below the poverty line?

Yeah - we know.

 

[RileyHawk]

Many of the new students this school year, who are utilizing this program are minorities.

How many?

 

[RileyHawk]

What a false narrative you spin.

It's called school choice, parents pay taxes for education and those parents deserve a choice of where those dollars are spent.

Iowa just fell in line with what is happening over and over in the U.S.

So any student in Des Moines can choose to go to Dowling if they want?

The fact that you are arguing for this piece of shit legislation is right on character.

 

[stout1]

It sounds like you have a tremendous public school that far exceeds any private school. So what's your problem?

I will pretend that you actually want a truthful answer…

My problem is that public money should fund students going to public schools or schools that are held to the same standards of public schools. I am a proponent of addressing the lack of educational attainment in certain areas. I am also a proponent of trying to truly address the issues facing many public schools.

If you want to start a voucher program that operates with a different set of rules, then create a structure to fund and provide oversight for that set of schools. Don’t take money away from public schools to fund that system. We should increase the funding to recognize that by opening this door, you are now funding students that used to be outside the system. If a student has never attended a public school create a new funding stream for them, and start funding the entire population at a level commiserate with the past funding levels.

In Indiana, public schools receive less dollars per student when adjusted for inflation than 2012 (the first year of vouchers). We have increased the number of students being funded through the state budget while not properly adjusting the amount of funding. This is a deliberate effort to create funding shortfalls for public schools.

While I am fortunate that I have a great school for my kid to attend, I am also cognizant that others don’t have that opportunity. I want to make all schools better, not scapegoat some schools for the benefit of a privileged subset of society.

Vouchers should have strict requirements to them on both how one qualifies and what schools should do if they choose to accept them.

 

[Pinehawk]

How many?

I was told over half of the new students from this past fall. And, that they were very appreciative of the opportunity.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

So any student in Des Moines can choose to go to Dowling if they want?

The fact that you are arguing for this piece of shit legislation is right on character.

It's a great piece of legislation.

You obviously support crappy education for children.

Iowa's public schools are garbage.

 

[Gus is dead]

They were all able to afford it. My guess is you and the other benefactors from this grift will want the State to start paying for a country club membership because the public courses aren't good enough.

I don't benefit from this at all.

Ok let's carry this analogy of yours a bit further then. I suppose you want the state to pay for some people's groceries now because beans rice and water arent good enough? Just as that analogy is dumb so is yours.

They were able to afford it? They were able to make it work. No doubt giving up things less important to do so. Most of the people you support other handouts to don't give up shit. Babies wearing nicer shoes than I wear as one example.

 

[RileyHawk]

I was told over half of the new students from this past fall. And, that they were very appreciative of the opportunity.

I will need some validation of over 1200 of the new students going to private school are minorities.

 

[RileyHawk]

It's a great piece of legislation.

You obviously support crappy education for children.

Iowa's public schools are garbage.

Can anyone in DM who wants their kid to attend Dowling get them enrolled?

 

[RileyHawk]

I don't benefit from this at all.

Ok let's carry this analogy of yours a bit further then. I suppose you want the state to pay for some people's groceries now because beans rice and water arent good enough? Just as that analogy is dumb so is yours.

They were able to afford it? They were able to make it work. No doubt giving up things less important to do so. Most of the people you support other handouts to don't give up shit. Babies wearing nicer shoes than I wear as one example.

You do. You support the religious entities that are greatly benefitting from this.

God Damn you're a moron. Do people need golf to live? Do people need food?

When you can provide the numbers of private school attendees who are at or below the poverty line you can use that line of argument. Until then it's just you spinning a family that makes $80K plus who were sending their kids to private school are now being subsidized.

What about next year when it's $110K? Or after that when there's no income limit? Will you also support home schoolers receiving the $$, because that's likely to happen as well.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Can anyone in DM who wants their kid to attend Dowling get them enrolled, if the school is staffed to accommodate them?

FIFY

 

[RileyHawk]

FIFY

Funny you were still cowardly to answer the question.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Funny you were still cowardly to answer the question.

I just clarified your question.

 

[RileyHawk]

I just clarified your question.

You didn't. You avoided the question like the pussy you are.

 

[billanole]

Restaurants have inescapable standards to meet - the public's.
Failure to meet those standards means resources quit walking through the door, and the entrepreneur who cannot manage resources to satisfy the public quickly learns the public will bring them no more resources to manage.

Restaurants fail to meet public standards at an amazing rate, and firms fold and new ones with new management and ideas to satisfy public demand spring up to replace them.


Profit/loss is the measurable and inescapable audit facing every private concern out there that exists to fulfill a public demand.
Satisfying pubic demand, evidenced by winning consumer support, is a requirement that doesn't apply to public schools for no apparent reason.
Make them compete, it's the only way to weed out bad ones. You acknowledge above there is no weeding out under the old model. That is a serious flaw.


I'm willing to walk you through it, but you have to answer first.
Do you 'cost' someone else money if you take your business elsewhere? Do they somehow own your business? Or do they have to compete for it, to your exacting standards.

Which restaurants are receiving vouchers, Mr. Whatabout?

“I’m willing to walk you through it, but you have to answer first.” What generosity.


Your demand that others go circular logic with you is nothing if not consistent.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

You didn't. You avoided the question like the pussy you are.

You and your idiotic views.

Dowling will let in who they want and nobody else.

Deal with it, it's the law!

 

[RileyHawk]

You and your idiotic views.

Dowling will let in who they want and nobody else.

Deal with it, it's the law!

Precisely, as they always have. It's the school's choice, not the parent/student's.

 

[Pinehawk]

I will need some validation of over 1200 of the new students going to private school are minorities.

I’m talking about one school, not all of them. But, I’d support releasing those numbers, I hope they do.
Not that you wouldn’t complain about it, no matter what they were.

 

[RileyHawk]

I’m talking about one school, not all of them. But, I’d support releasing those numbers, I hope they do.
Not that you wouldn’t complain about it, no matter what they were.

So you were just spouting off with nothing to back up your statement. BAU.

There's a reason they don't release those.

 

[Pinehawk]

Can anyone in DM who wants their kid to attend Dowling get them enrolled?

No. That was never promised, or a part of this program. It’s not possible. That should be obvious.
To pretend you want something that is impossible is stupid and pointless.

There are limited enrollment opportunities. If they aren’t full yet, they soon will be. So, an acceptance procedure will have to be implemented at each school. Which each school board will develop.

 

[sober_teacher]

No. That was never promised, or a part of this program. It’s not possible. That should be obvious.
To pretend you want something that is impossible is stupid and pointless.

There are limited enrollment opportunities. If they aren’t full yet, they soon will be. So, an acceptance procedure will have to be implemented at each school. Which each school board will develop.

They...already have acceptance procedures.

 

[RileyHawk]

No. That was never promised, or a part of this program. It’s not possible. That should be obvious.
To pretend you want something that is impossible is stupid and pointless.

There are limited enrollment opportunities. If they aren’t full yet, they soon will be. So, an acceptance procedure will have to be implemented at each school. Which each school board will develop.

So the claim of "school choice" is wrong because it's "school's choice"? You're willing to admit that?

Who are those making the decisions on enrollment accountable to? What are the criteria?

 

[anon_911569jwrmy3z]

Need based.

Somehow, that parent already sending their kids to private schools was able to afford doing so. And it was their choice.
A "subsidy" any way you slice it.
Then...the grift, private schools with big increases in tuition for the 23/24 school year.

What income level do you consider wealthy?