there are a lot of rules that people don't agree with
and there are some things where the review can't originate from the replay booth; this appears to be one of those things and the TD should have stood as called
Cooper DeJean vs 7 Gophers. Watch video of the "Invalid Fair Catch" from a Different angle. Jovon Johnson: "Worst Call I've Ever Seen!"
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there are a lot of rules that people don't agree with
and there are some things where the review can't originate from the replay booth; this appears to be one of those things and the TD should have stood as called
Let me preface this by saying I am not that disappointed with Iowa losing. Frankly, I am done with the Ferentz era and find the wins about as enjoyable as the losses.
With that said, it was a call made to dictate the outcome of a game. It’s really that simple.
Yeah, you.
Lol.
Yeah, I’m sure you knew all about it before it was explained to you on TV.
I hope you die of hypothermia this winter.
It is illegal in Iowa for a man with a mustache to kiss a woman in public. It also true that for probably at least 100 years, no man has been cited for this.
Apparently it is illegal to wave your arm laterally while running up to return a punt, but for the last 100 years, no punt returner has been penalized/had the play blown dead for this. Even though it happens dozens of times every week.
A police officer who cites a mustachioed man for a kissing a woman in public would probably be suspended.
What do we do with yesterday’s officials?
Did the officials on the field have anything to do with that last call?
Apparently the officials on the field are all dumb also, because they did not blow the play dead as soon as he touched it. Why was it so hard for the refs to understand? Maybe because none of them have ever made that call before, ever?🤷♂️
That is fair question.
The head official certainly spoke as if he made the call in his statement.
How about this, whoever made that decision needs to not be involved in making those decisions anymore. That, or start enforcing it universally. Not once every century.
I go back to this, which is from the guy who covers Iowa State.
Technically it was the right call (if the review request came from the on field officials?) but they never call it. So, why now?
I don't think they had anything to do with it. That call came and was decided from an official on the phone, not on the field. Most times it wouldn't get called because it wouldn't get reviewed because it didn't result in a score. Frustrating for sure, but I doubt it was the result of some conspiracy to keep Kirk and Iowa out of the BTCG like the predictable nutjobs on here are declaring.
wow. this was actually called in a game in 2015.
you have to wait to the ending to see the waving of arms
click on the PLAY button
you have to wait to the ending to see the waving of arms
click on the PLAY button
Of course it’s not a conspiracy. Not that you’re accusing me of that, but just to be clear, in no way do I think they have something against Iowa. I think they just overstepped to spirit of the rule, and may have even misinterpreted it?I’d hate to be lumped in with Jamie Pollard.
I do think the field official made the determination. That, or he was covering for the replay official. Also possible.
Either way, if that’s the rule, why are we deciding at that very moment to enforce it, but not in other games?
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So, apparently this has happened one other time, and they only enforce it on touchdowns? That said, Cooper’s was to a much lesser degree, and may indeed have just been his arm movement of running while pointing?
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So…..either you think the call was incorrect (which the U of I will talk to the league about) or it’s some conspiracy theory.
I think the call was incorrect. The conspiracy…..well, haven’t thought about that BUT, NO one (officials/coaches) in Kinnick saw or witnessed an infraction of the rule…….but it an off site official sitting in Pittsburgh was able to garner enough “indisputable” evidence to call a rules violation??
Now a question….I don’t know the answer….but can the “off site“ official call a holding or pass interference penalty after witnessing a replay that was not called by the on-field officials? Now this might feed into some type of “conspiracy theory”……I don’t think Iowa/Minnesota was a big play in Vegas…..but, the penalty negated a score that would have allowed Iowa to cover te point spread, I believe.
The Wisconsin call is every bit as bad as the Iowa one. The announcers are shocked. Thanks for sharing. I can understand if a player obviously fakes a fair catch to gain an advantage, but in both cases the returner did not.
Just because we need a good conspiracy theory in all of this, remember this play last year against Minnesota?
The official that called Campbell out of bounds there is the same guy who made the "illegal fair catch" call yesterday.
The official that called Campbell out of bounds there is the same guy who made the "illegal fair catch" call yesterday.
I don’t believe holding or pass interference are able to be called during replay. Also, I’m not sure who has the final say on replays. I feel like it’s the on-site official and the office in Pitt is giving both replay video and clarification of the specific rule.
No Div 1 athlete, especially a skill position player is running like that to try and keep balance. Iowa has come up on the winning side a ton over the past several years, this time it caught up to them. Had he fielded that punt and got popped, people on this very board would’ve wanted a penalty believing he was attempting to signal for a fair catch.
What he did was almost an in between motion which made it invalid.
The Wisconsin returner was criss crossing his hands multiple times, while CDJ was pointing with his index fingers at the ball so the blockers didn't run into it like @ Penn State. I guess that's why all 11 Gophers didn't let up and tried their best to tackle him...
Exactly. Of course, the one time it gets called, is in a bullshit replay that costs Iowa a game. Nobody else. IOWA.
I don't think there is a SINGLE fan on this site that would have said that was a fair catch and there should have been a penalty for interference. I agree with your first sentence though.
Are you familiar with our fan base? The Ostranga diving catch wasn’t a catch as the ball clearly was rotating on the ground. I also wasn’t completely convinced Vines catch early on the sideline was legit. We caught a couple breaks.
I’m 99.9% positive the league isn’t going to retract Cooper’s call.
When you start writing rules explaining the rules, you are asking for problems. THERE IS A RULLE DEFINING WHAT CONSTITUTES A “FAIR CATCH”…….,so why the need for a rule telling us what does not constitute a “fair catch”? As it does is muddy up the water.
If a punt returner waves his arms below his head which Dejean clearly did then it’s deemed an invalid signal. Doesn’t matter what his intention was. He can be waving his arms to tell his teammates to get away. But once he does that he can’t advance the ball.
Did you see this Chris Williams tweet? Apparently it is a rule but never gets called.
No wonder everyone has no idea this rule even frickin' exists.
the replay official IN THE STADIUM has the final say (not the folks in Philadelphia)
The official in the booth has to initiate the review, which he did to see if Cooper stepped out of bounds. That came from the booth, not on the field. Once they start to review, the whole play becomes reviewable for anything except most penalties. From what I understand, the white hat and the replay booth are conferring to make sure they are seeing the same thing and rules are being interpreted correctly. Only the plays listed here can be added via replay or be the sole reason for the review being initiated from the booth. They called Cooper for an invalid fair catch which is not a penalty, it just kills the play. The same way a punting team downing a punt isn't a penalty, it is just illegal touching and the ball is dead. I disagree that they changed the call and you can argue that being right or wrong all day, but the mechanics of everything that happened was correct.3 things regarding if it were the right call:
(1) the on field officials were only reviewing if he went out of bounds, nothing else
(2) replay officials can't ask for a review based on what follows
(3) so if no on field official is asking for the review and the replay officials can't ask for one, there's nobody left to ask for a review and the touchdown should have stood, imo.
It's all spelled out here:
i think this is why everyone (KF, coaches, fans, journalists) are so damn confused. NO ONE had a clue that waving your arm horizontally was not allowed and if you then picked up the ball, the ball was dead.
If I misspoke and am still confused, let me know. LOL
As bad is this call was…..it still was not as bad as a few years ago when the ref disallowed a long TD run by Ankrum Wadley because he “HIGH STEPPED” the last few paces of his run into the end zone…..that was an all time all timer!
Pittsburgh….
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