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Cooper DeJean vs 7 Gophers. Watch video of the "Invalid Fair Catch" from a Different angle. Jovon Johnson: "Worst Call I've Ever Seen!"

Did you see this Chris Williams tweet? Apparently it is a rule but never gets called.

No wonder everyone has no idea this rule even frickin' exists.


A rule that is never called isn't a rule. As I've said in other threads, we better see about 200 of these "illegal fair catch" violations next week since the rule is written so poorly essentially any movement of the arms qualifies as "illegally calling a fair catch".
 
A rule that is never called isn't a rule. As I've said in other threads, we better see about 200 of these "illegal fair catch" violations next week since the rule is written so poorly essentially any movement of the arms qualifies as "illegally calling a fair catch".

Someone found it getting called in 2015. It would be interesting to see how many other times it has EVER been called.
 
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A rule that is never called isn't a rule. As I've said in other threads, we better see about 200 of these "illegal fair catch" violations next week since the rule is written so poorly essentially any movement of the arms qualifies as "illegally calling a fair catch".
It’s a “catch all” rule at best…..it is seldom if ever called….it is a rule written to “clarify” another rule which is NEVER a good idea. It took the NFL about 10 years or so to get rid of the “tuck rule”…….this is a silly rule unless it is actively enforced (which it isn’t)……….
 
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Think of this - If Cooper goes down on his own at the 10, Iowa wins with the chip shot field goal.

They wouldn't have automatically reviewed the scoring play, and would have never gone all the way back searching for the invalid fair catch signal.
 
i think this is why everyone (KF, coaches, fans, journalists) are so damn confused. NO ONE had a clue that waving your arm horizontally was not allowed and if you then picked up the ball, the ball was dead.

If I misspoke and am still confused, let me know. LOL
I knew the rule very well which is why I was surprised and confused that he was allowed to run with no whistle being blown. Eventually they got the call right but they shouldn’t have needed replay to do so.
 
A rule that is never called isn't a rule. As I've said in other threads, we better see about 200 of these "illegal fair catch" violations next week since the rule is written so poorly essentially any movement of the arms qualifies as "illegally calling a fair catch".
You’re wrong. You can catch it or pick it up but you can’t advance it.
 
Think of this - If Cooper goes down on his own at the 10, Iowa wins with the chip shot field goal.

They wouldn't have automatically reviewed the scoring play, and would have never gone all the way back searching for the invalid fair catch signal.

not sure about that because, no matter what, they were going to check to make sure he did not go out of bounds and that apparently was what started the whole chain of events
 
not sure about that because, no matter what, they were going to check to make sure he did not go out of bounds and that apparently was what started the whole chain of events
I think they went through any means necessary to look at it, instead of just blowing the whistle. He was well in-bounds, and a ref was standing right there.
 
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Sure. Then it should be easy for you to find many different examples of the rule being applied this way.
It’s rare for a punt returner to wave his arms but then pick up the ball and run. But when it happens the play is typically blown dead every time.
 
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Going forward if I'm the opposing coach any good return and there is any arm movement I'm going after the officials for "illegal fair catch signal".

This group of officials and their leader just opened a shit storm.

Totally agree.

IMO, it's pretty sad that someone had to go back to 2015 to find an example of when this was ever called (see below, where the same thing happened and a TD was taken off the board).

And let's face it. EVERYONE was confused by the ruling. Hell, Chris Williams, an Iowa State guy, had to make some calls to figure out what the truth was (it is the rule, but they NEVER call it).







This was called in a game way back in 2015. You have to wait to the ending to see the waving of arms.

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It's a stupid rule. And if anyone says that Minnesota let up on that play they are obviously Iowa haters...As soon as Coop picked up the ball there was a guy diving to tackle him and he spun away from him. There was no let up from Minnesota. The only time if a player picks up the ball that he should be stopped is when he clearly makes a fair catch signal otherwise he should be fair game... Why muddy the waters by having this asinine rule?
 
It's a stupid rule. And if anyone says that Minnesota let up on that play they are obviously Iowa haters...As soon as Coop picked up the ball there was a guy diving to tackle him and he spun away from him. There was no let up from Minnesota. The only time if a player picks up the ball that he should be stopped is when he clearly makes a fair catch signal otherwise he should be fair game... Why muddy the waters by having this asinine rule?

and this "violation" that apparently gets enforced once every 8 or so years completely destroyed an all time moment for Cooper and the fans in the stadium
 
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and this "violation" that apparently gets enforced once every 8 or so years completely destroyed an all time moment for Cooper and the fans in the stadium
Yep. And does anyone think that if they hadn't called it ANYONE would be yelling that it should have been called? No way no one would have ever made any fuss about it. That's how you know it's a stupid rule.
 
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Yep. And does anyone think that if they hadn't called it ANYONE would be yelling that it should have been called? No way no one would have ever made any fuss about it. That's how you know it's a stupid rule.

What pisses me off, too, is that some Goofer fans, after the fact, are saying "it's the rule!" Well, shit, they had no idea that this apparently was "the rule;" NOBODY did. Reporters, coaches, fans. NOBODY.

Invalid fair catch. Un-freakin-believable.
 
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What pisses me off, too, is that some Goofer fans, after the fact, are saying "it's the rule!" Well, shit, they had no idea that this apparently was "the rule;" NOBODY did. Reporters, coaches, fans. NOBODY.

Invalid fair catch. Un-freakin-believable.
Exactly. I guarantee if after the review they said nope he didn't step out of bounds td Iowa not one fan or analyst or "expert" would have been stating that the goofs had been screwed.
 
It’s rare for a punt returner to wave his arms but then pick up the ball and run. But when it happens the play is typically blown dead every time.
I agree with this if he is waving his hands above his head, like the rules for fair catch state.
 
I don’t buy Cooper was trying to “keep his balance”. He put those officials in that position to make the call, hell the offense put the team in that position to lose that game.
No way he's trying to keep his balance with his left hand, he's clearly pointing with his left hand.
 
Someone found it getting called in 2015. It would be interesting to see how many other times it has EVER been called.

It was a terrible call in that 2015 replay as well. Good thing the NCAA got off their a$$es 8 years ago and fixed/clarified the rule. What an incompetent association.

The absolute EASY fix is to nullify any fair catch or "invalid" fair catch once the ball hits the ground.... You know l, because the fact that you DIDN'T CATCH THE BALL.

Oh well, the NCAA is too busy suspending 21 year old men for gambling on sports that they have no involvement. You know the kind of stuff that REALLY affects games
 
I go back to this, which is from the guy who covers Iowa State.

Technically it was the right call (if the review request came from the on field officials?) but they never call it. So, why now?


It's crappy because it's never called but it is technically correct. Any waiving is an invalid signal. An invalid signal is a fair catch signal (but not a valid one). Any player advancing after a fair catch signal is reviewable (even an invalid one). Why they chose to enforce it against Iowa is a mystery. There is something similar from UNC the same day and they didn't enforce it.

Going by the NCAA rulebook, fair catches can be deemed either valid or invalid. A valid fair catch is the type of fair catch football fans are familiar with, signaled by a player “extending one hand only clearly above their head and waving that hand from side to side of their body more than once.”

An invalid fair catch can happen a few ways, but the key definition in this case is the first: "An invalid signal is any waving signal by a player of Team B that does not meet the requirements of [a valid fair catch]."

In answering how it was reviewed you have to go to the kick section of replay and look at item G.

Kicks
ARTICLE 4. Reviewable plays involving kicks include:
a. Touching of a kick.
b. Player beyond the neutral zone when kicking the ball.
c. Kicking team player advancing a ball after a potential muffed kick/fumble by the receiving team.
d. Scrimmage kick crossing the neutral zone.
e. Blocking by players of the kicking team before they are eligible to touch the ball on an on-side kick.
f. A player touching or recovering a kick or loose ball who is or has been out of bounds during the kick.
g. Receiving team advancing after a fair catch signal.

 
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I think the NCCA should change the fair catch signal to this. Anything less is not called and ball is in play.

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It was a terrible call in that 2015 replay as well. Good thing the NCAA got off their a$$es 8 years ago and fixed/clarified the rule. What an incompetent association.

The absolute EASY fix is to nullify any fair catch or "invalid" fair catch once the ball hits the ground.... You know l, because the fact that you DIDN'T CATCH THE BALL.

Oh well, the NCAA is too busy suspending 21 year old men for gambling on sports that they have no involvement. You know the kind of stuff that REALLY affects games

makes you wonder if they will now fix this "rule" that is selectively enforced
 
Is it me or from this angle, Cooper steps out of bounds with several of his steps on the white area??

But if you see it from other angles, he does not step out of bounds. I see 4 steps clearly out of bounds with this video, or has it been doctored???
Watch at half speed, those are the individual white yard markers ( lighter white ) the solid white ob line he did not step on.
 
I just remember the ONLY thing we were worried about was if he went out of bounds.

The replay started in slow mo. We were like , "Nope, nope, nope, THAT'S A TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!!"

We went nuts.

Then the call came.

Unbelievable.
 
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