Covid-19 is killing children at an astounding rate
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Aren’t you the idiot who started two threads last week about being able to beat the shit out of people? You should get on antabuse.
BigDumbHawk said he could kick my ass and I gave him the chance to do it. Then he chickened out and reported the thread and it was deleted.
He’s a pussy like the rest of the MAGA crowd.
Bitch, should have shown up to the fight. Wow, he even reported the thread? “Tough guy” Trump supporter fo sho.
I have a real question for you, what do you get out of tracking all of this so close? Are you sharing your findings anywhere outside a Hawkeye message board? Doesn’t it wear on you mentally to spend so much time obsessing over these numbers?
I would say that this is about his only social interaction with other human beings.
Fair question. Precisely why I told him he should try to go have some sex with an actual woman.
I’m past the point in life of fist fighting. But I’m not some dumb jock that took to many shots to the head.
...and now the CDC Demographics site pulls up a completely blank page...
Perhaps errors corrected?
Updates?
https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics
My internet's been flaky all day, so maybe it's my end. But the page doesn't pull data up anymore.
EDIT
Hmmm....
Now that page comes up; graphs are there with the same percentages as before:
1.3% cases, 1.7% deaths.
But, they no longer have the actual number counts included in the graphs.
The data detail is now gone.
Perhaps errors corrected?
Updates?
https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics
My internet's been flaky all day, so maybe it's my end. But the page doesn't pull data up anymore.
EDIT
Hmmm....
Now that page comes up; graphs are there with the same percentages as before:
1.3% cases, 1.7% deaths.
But, they no longer have the actual number counts included in the graphs.
The data detail is now gone.
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Perhaps you’ve exceeded your bandwidth searching twitter and for graphs.
Wanna know what's really odd:
I pull up the Demographics page in a regular browser, and it pulls no graphs anymore.
If I do it in an "Incognito Window", it will pull up the graphs with %'s, but the actual numbers are no longer shown.
So, start your Conspiracy Theory Engines.
If anyone else can pull up the graphs, and find the actual case #'s and deaths #'s they used to have listed, please post if they update them.
Last values were listed as above in this thread; I think 26,844 and 1583.
I pull up the Demographics page in a regular browser, and it pulls no graphs anymore.
If I do it in an "Incognito Window", it will pull up the graphs with %'s, but the actual numbers are no longer shown.
So, start your Conspiracy Theory Engines.
If anyone else can pull up the graphs, and find the actual case #'s and deaths #'s they used to have listed, please post if they update them.
Last values were listed as above in this thread; I think 26,844 and 1583.
Holy shit bro, you really stumbled into a mess. The deep state is on to you now too
Try a different browser. I have 5 browsers, and I use each for different purposes, because some have limitations. Some browsers no longer support Active X controls, which some webmasters still use to enable data downloads.
Cleared cache and it will pull up the graphs; but they seem to have indeed eliminated the raw numbers from the graphs.
I think when you "downloaded" the data to CSV, it included those raw numbers.
Now, they have only listed the %'s.
And, as noted, the % values still match what was there on Tuesday. You can back calculate, crudely (because they only have %'s to 1 decimal place). So, when you do that, you still get roughly the same 6% CFR. You just cannot tell if the data have been updated if those crude %'s don't change.
So, yeah, this is pretty strange.
2,047,440 cases x 0.13 = 26,617 cases (Last actual was 26,884)
95,650 deaths x 0.017 = 1626 deaths (Last actual was 1583)
1626/26617 = 6.1% CFR
So, the data are "somewhat" still there, but they are cleared so that you cannot readily tell there are (purportedly) 1600 deaths in the 0-4 age group.
If this is a CDC "error", the data have been updated/changed >4 times now, and have ultimately been presented in a way that is less transparent.
Totally normal, right?
95,650 deaths x 0.017 = 1626 deaths (Last actual was 1583)
1626/26617 = 6.1% CFR
So, the data are "somewhat" still there, but they are cleared so that you cannot readily tell there are (purportedly) 1600 deaths in the 0-4 age group.
If this is a CDC "error", the data have been updated/changed >4 times now, and have ultimately been presented in a way that is less transparent.
Totally normal, right?
Which 4 are the "porn" browsers?
Ummm.... None.
IE, Chrome, Firefox, DuckDuckGo, and Edge. I rarely use Edge, but the new Edge is out and it resembles Chrome.
There's actually another specialty browser I use, but it's not for pron.
Very odd. Strange that the raw numbers have been removed. Also strange that nobody appears to be discussing this in the media.
2 months+, and still no ICD code to formally track MIS-C cases, either.
And, as I'd already noted: we went from an initial "handful" of Covid-19 cases beginning in March, to 1,000,000 cases and >60,000 deaths within 2 months.
Here, this "trickle" of MIS-C cases was reported as of April 26th (England, on a similar timeframe to us). We are now 2 months from that timeframe, and very little data have been pushed out.
If CDC doesn't come out with any updates/clarifications very soon, I'm thinking this isn't going to turn out well.....
Here we are, ~5 days later.
Site still not corrected; they have updated counts in the totals multiple times today even though they have still removed the actual numbers off the bar charts.
Back-calculating for the 0-4 Yr olds:
2,082,204 cases x 0.013 = 27,069 cases
96,200 deaths x 0.017 = 1635 deaths
CFR: 6.0%
Site still not corrected; they have updated counts in the totals multiple times today even though they have still removed the actual numbers off the bar charts.
Back-calculating for the 0-4 Yr olds:
2,082,204 cases x 0.013 = 27,069 cases
96,200 deaths x 0.017 = 1635 deaths
CFR: 6.0%
GOOD NEWS though:
White babies are leadin' the charge in death percentages!
(half the deaths in the 0-4 age group are white)
Hispanic/Latino 21.9
American Indian / Alaska Native, Non-Hispanic 0.2
Asian, Non-Hispanic 6.4
Black, Non-Hispanic 16.9
Native Hawaiian / Other Pacific Islander, Non-Hispanic <0.1
White, Non-Hispanic 53.1
Multiple/Other, Non-Hispanic 1.4
White babies are leadin' the charge in death percentages!
(half the deaths in the 0-4 age group are white)
Hispanic/Latino 21.9
American Indian / Alaska Native, Non-Hispanic 0.2
Asian, Non-Hispanic 6.4
Black, Non-Hispanic 16.9
Native Hawaiian / Other Pacific Islander, Non-Hispanic <0.1
White, Non-Hispanic 53.1
Multiple/Other, Non-Hispanic 1.4
Site update:
2129850 cases @ 1.3% = 27688 Cases, 0-4 age group
99779 deaths @ 1.6% = 1596 Deaths, 0-4 age group
CFR: 5.8%
White children account for 53% of these deaths, or ~850
2129850 cases @ 1.3% = 27688 Cases, 0-4 age group
99779 deaths @ 1.6% = 1596 Deaths, 0-4 age group
CFR: 5.8%
White children account for 53% of these deaths, or ~850
It's disturbing. The mf'er NEEDS to "report" on the negative aspects of this. He's conned himself into believing he's spearheading some kind of crusade.
And still crickets from the media. It appears the only people who are aware of this in the entire country are on HROT.
Like I'd stated: Business Insider posted the % graphic without really digesting the info - they were simply trying to show the different vs. the flu.
If CDC has an error, they need to fix it, so that the demographic data are accurate.
If not - maybe this was the "learning curve" of Kawasaki syndrome patients that is now nowhere near as dire, so they want to keep that aspect quiet since it is no longer as big an issue - but, as I've noted, many asymptomatic people, and kids who end up with this inflammatory syndrome, survive, but there could be significant risks for long-term health issues. If there is any reasonable possibility that is the case, then it should have been conveyed to the public a month ago, because then you'd have people much more incentivized to knock this stuff down, early on.
We will not eliminate this until there are vaccines, which is at least 8-12 months out. So, you cannot shut everything down for that long; but we could have done what Europe and S Korea did, and minimize the damage in the meantime.
We are finding out, slowly, that the non-lethal outcomes of this virus can be really really bad: how prevalent are they? Because that doesn't seem to come into the conversation at all. And when I've posted that this is triggering diabetes in people (and may trigger it in pre-diabetic people who make up 88 million of the US population) we could be talking about some really really big follow-on health crises.
We're at least 1 week removed from when CDC posted data implying a 2% CFR in the 0-4 age group (actual numbers posted were 482 deaths out of around 23k cases), as noted in the BusinessInsider news article.
- Since then, the numbers posted increased to at least 1583 deaths and a ~6% CFR.
- Then, the raw numbers were removed, but the data have been updated 2x to 3x a day.(including over this past weekend)
- Today's numbers (updated at noon) indicate 100k cases and 1.6% of those deaths in the 0-4 age group (easy math - that is 1600 deaths)
Does your friend still think this has been posted in error?
Is it possible these are early Kawasaki-syndrome cases, which weren't understood early enough to avoid deaths?
The removal of the raw numbers is what's most bothersome to me. Makes it look like someone's trying to whitewash this.
What's the likelihood that CDC is running an ancient database on this, and has only a "two digit" age field when importing the data, so that centenarians are being mis-labeled in the infants/toddlers category? (e.g. someone 101 dying of Covid19 is importing as "01")
Racist post reportedGOOD NEWS though:
White babies are leadin' the charge in death percentages!
(half the deaths in the 0-4 age group are white)
Hispanic/Latino 21.9
American Indian / Alaska Native, Non-Hispanic 0.2
Asian, Non-Hispanic 6.4
Black, Non-Hispanic 16.9
Native Hawaiian / Other Pacific Islander, Non-Hispanic <0.1
White, Non-Hispanic 53.1
Multiple/Other, Non-Hispanic 1.4
How else is this explainable? They've continued updating this database that's indicating nearly 1600 0-4 yr olds have died of coronavirus-related causes.
If it's a database error, you'd think someone would have noticed by now.
CDC's Demographics website still lists the same basic numbers.
And now, more news reports are coming out:
And now, more news reports are coming out:
(Reuters) - Nearly 300 cases of a rare, life-threatening syndrome in children and adolescents associated with the novel coronavirus have been identified in the United States in two studies in The New England Journal of Medicine.
The U.S. studies published on Monday follow several reports of the syndrome among COVID-19 patients in France, Italy, Spain and Britain.
Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children (MIS-C), shares symptoms with toxic shock and Kawasaki disease, including fever, rashes, swollen glands and, in severe cases, heart inflammation.
A consistent picture is emerging of the syndrome occurring two to four weeks after infection by the coronavirus, Michael Levin, professor of pediatrics and international child health at Imperial College London, said in an accompanying editorial.
The syndrome affects 2 in 100,000 young people, defined as under age 21, out of 322 in 100,000 in that group who get COVID-19, he wrote.
While the studies identified about 300 cases in the United States, Levin noted that there have been more than 1,000 cases reported worldwide and that a relatively high proportion have occurred among Black, Hispanic or South Asian persons.
"There is a concern that children meeting current diagnostic criteria for MIS-C are the 'tip of the iceberg' and a bigger problem may be lurking below the waterline," Levin wrote.
The first study, led by Boston Children's Hospital, found 186 cases of MIS-C in 26 U.S. states, with 4 out of 5 cases needing intensive care and one out of five requiring mechanical ventilation. Four patients died.
The second study, which observed patients in New York and was conducted by the state's health department, found another 95 confirmed cases, with 4 out of 5 needing admission to intensive care unit and two patients dying.
It is not clear why MIS-C develops in some children and adolescents and not in others.
https://wkzo.com/news/articles/2020...nd-in-almost-300-us-kids-adolescents/1034408/The U.S. studies published on Monday follow several reports of the syndrome among COVID-19 patients in France, Italy, Spain and Britain.
Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children (MIS-C), shares symptoms with toxic shock and Kawasaki disease, including fever, rashes, swollen glands and, in severe cases, heart inflammation.
A consistent picture is emerging of the syndrome occurring two to four weeks after infection by the coronavirus, Michael Levin, professor of pediatrics and international child health at Imperial College London, said in an accompanying editorial.
The syndrome affects 2 in 100,000 young people, defined as under age 21, out of 322 in 100,000 in that group who get COVID-19, he wrote.
While the studies identified about 300 cases in the United States, Levin noted that there have been more than 1,000 cases reported worldwide and that a relatively high proportion have occurred among Black, Hispanic or South Asian persons.
"There is a concern that children meeting current diagnostic criteria for MIS-C are the 'tip of the iceberg' and a bigger problem may be lurking below the waterline," Levin wrote.
The first study, led by Boston Children's Hospital, found 186 cases of MIS-C in 26 U.S. states, with 4 out of 5 cases needing intensive care and one out of five requiring mechanical ventilation. Four patients died.
The second study, which observed patients in New York and was conducted by the state's health department, found another 95 confirmed cases, with 4 out of 5 needing admission to intensive care unit and two patients dying.
It is not clear why MIS-C develops in some children and adolescents and not in others.
At least 35 states have had cases, and they seem to crop up a few weeks after local COVID-19 activity peaks, said Dr. Adrienne Randolph of Boston Children’s Hospital. She is a lead researcher for a multistate study that includes CDC scientists. The second paper involved 99 children in New York state, where the first U.S. cases occurred.
Combined, the papers show 285 cases from March thru mid to late May but Randolph said additional U.S. children have been diagnosed in June.
NOTE that it was literally last week - Monday - that the CDC Demographics numbers "blew up" on 0-4 year olds....Combined, the papers show 285 cases from March thru mid to late May but Randolph said additional U.S. children have been diagnosed in June.
https://www.ksl.com/article/46771163/serious-coronavirus-linked-condition-hit-285-us-children
https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2...hildren-coronavirus-boston-childrens-syndrome
UPDATE:
This 7/1 news report correctly cites the CDC demographics page as "about 5%" of the cases being 0-17 yrs old.
Ignores the deaths statistic, entirely, but does make this comment:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...l-populations/pregnancy-data-on-covid-19.html
Meanwhile, demographics page still implies a CFR of >5% for 0-4 yr olds (1.6% of 101,263)
This 7/1 news report correctly cites the CDC demographics page as "about 5%" of the cases being 0-17 yrs old.
Ignores the deaths statistic, entirely, but does make this comment:
Parents on the Lookout
Parents need to realize that children have the lowest prevalence of coronavirus. Physicians encourage parents not to panic as news breaks of MIS-C, Kawasaki Disease, and COVID Toes, and to exercise caution instead.
Stay up to date with immunizations and routine well-baby checkups. Do not wait to take a child to the doctor if they show any of the symptoms associated with these inflammatory illnesses.
Also points to the CDC page that indicates:Parents need to realize that children have the lowest prevalence of coronavirus. Physicians encourage parents not to panic as news breaks of MIS-C, Kawasaki Disease, and COVID Toes, and to exercise caution instead.
Stay up to date with immunizations and routine well-baby checkups. Do not wait to take a child to the doctor if they show any of the symptoms associated with these inflammatory illnesses.
- 0.25% (1 in 400) pregnant women have died from Covid-19
- 30% of pregnant women have required hospitalization for Covid-19
- 144 were admitted to the ICU (of ~2600 data are available for; that's either a 1.5% ICU rate, or upwards of 5%)
- 56 have required mechanical ventilation (56, out of data available on 2300)
Meanwhile, demographics page still implies a CFR of >5% for 0-4 yr olds (1.6% of 101,263)
https://www.keloland.com/keloland-com-original/what-is-multisystem-inflammatory-syndrome/
Now, imagine what happens if you take away ACA provisions for the low income folks in this country with kids, who recently lost their jobs and may be getting evicted....
“It’s important to know that this is not an infection, but the immune system gets so ramped up and out of control, which causes inflammation,” Segeleon said.
According to the CDC’s website, it is unknown what causes MIS-C, but many children with MIS-C had the COVID-19 virus or had been around someone with COVID-19. The CDC says the best way to prevent your child from getting MIS-C is by taking normal everyday actions to prevent your household/family from contracting COVID-19.
MIS-C can be deadly if not treated correctly or efficiently.
“The majority of children will survive MIS-C with proper and early medication,” Segeleon said. “Some kids could have chronic effects, especially heart conditions.”
Segeleon made it a point of emphasis that children with MIS-C are very sick children.
“These kids are quite sick,” Segeleon said. “The children were probably not in the hospital because they may not have known they had COVID-19 or were asymptomatic.”
The CDC says if your child shows any signs of COVID-19 or MIS-C that you should call your child’s doctor.
However, if the signs include trouble breathing, pain or pressure in the chest that does not go away, new confusion, inability to wake up or stay awake, bluish lips or face or severe abdominal pain, then call 911 or go to the emergency room.
According to the CDC’s website, it is unknown what causes MIS-C, but many children with MIS-C had the COVID-19 virus or had been around someone with COVID-19. The CDC says the best way to prevent your child from getting MIS-C is by taking normal everyday actions to prevent your household/family from contracting COVID-19.
MIS-C can be deadly if not treated correctly or efficiently.
“The majority of children will survive MIS-C with proper and early medication,” Segeleon said. “Some kids could have chronic effects, especially heart conditions.”
Segeleon made it a point of emphasis that children with MIS-C are very sick children.
“These kids are quite sick,” Segeleon said. “The children were probably not in the hospital because they may not have known they had COVID-19 or were asymptomatic.”
The CDC says if your child shows any signs of COVID-19 or MIS-C that you should call your child’s doctor.
However, if the signs include trouble breathing, pain or pressure in the chest that does not go away, new confusion, inability to wake up or stay awake, bluish lips or face or severe abdominal pain, then call 911 or go to the emergency room.
Now, imagine what happens if you take away ACA provisions for the low income folks in this country with kids, who recently lost their jobs and may be getting evicted....
https://kalkinemedia.com/au/healthc...top-gainer-on-the-asx-today-lets-find-out-why
On 6 July 2020, S&P/ASX 200 Health Care Sector settled at 42,850.1, indicating a drop of 1.79% as compared to the previous close and the benchmark index S&P/ASX 200 closed at 6,014.6 down by 0.71%.
Mesoblast was the top gainer in the S&P/ASX200 index with ~11% increase in its share price. MSB stock last quoted at A$3.750, up 11.276%. The market capitalisation of MSB stood at A$1.97 billion, with nearly 583.95 million outstanding shares on the ASX. The 52-weeks high and low price of MSB stock was noted at A$4.450 and A$1.020, respectively.
Let us delve deep and find out the reason why MSB was flying high on the ASX today:
On 6 July 2020, Mesoblast disclosed that an EAP (expanded access protocol) had been started in the US for compassionate application of its allogeneic mesenchymal stem cell drug candidate remestemcel-L for treating COVID-19 infected children having cardiovascular and other complications in multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C).
Infected people aged between 2-months to 17 years might receive one or two doses of remestemcel-L within 5-days of referral under the expanded access protocol.
The EAP was filed with the US FDA and offered doctors with access to remestemcel-L treatment for an intermediate-size patient population under existing Investigational New Drug (IND) application of Mesoblast.
As per the FDA, expanded access is a potential path for a patient having life-threatening situation or severe disease or disorder to obtain access to an investigational therapeutic product to treat outside of clinical studies when comparable or suitable alternative treatment possibilities are not available.
Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children is a life-frightening complication of coronavirus infection in healthy children as well as in adolescents that includes mammoth simultaneous inflammation of several critical organs and their vasculature.
In almost 50% of cases, this inflammation is linked with considerable complications in the cardiovascular system that directly affect the heart muscle and can result in diminished cardiac function. Moreover, the virus can cause dilation of coronary arteries without any known future concerns.
Mesoblast was the top gainer in the S&P/ASX200 index with ~11% increase in its share price. MSB stock last quoted at A$3.750, up 11.276%. The market capitalisation of MSB stood at A$1.97 billion, with nearly 583.95 million outstanding shares on the ASX. The 52-weeks high and low price of MSB stock was noted at A$4.450 and A$1.020, respectively.
Let us delve deep and find out the reason why MSB was flying high on the ASX today:
On 6 July 2020, Mesoblast disclosed that an EAP (expanded access protocol) had been started in the US for compassionate application of its allogeneic mesenchymal stem cell drug candidate remestemcel-L for treating COVID-19 infected children having cardiovascular and other complications in multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C).
Infected people aged between 2-months to 17 years might receive one or two doses of remestemcel-L within 5-days of referral under the expanded access protocol.
The EAP was filed with the US FDA and offered doctors with access to remestemcel-L treatment for an intermediate-size patient population under existing Investigational New Drug (IND) application of Mesoblast.
As per the FDA, expanded access is a potential path for a patient having life-threatening situation or severe disease or disorder to obtain access to an investigational therapeutic product to treat outside of clinical studies when comparable or suitable alternative treatment possibilities are not available.
Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children is a life-frightening complication of coronavirus infection in healthy children as well as in adolescents that includes mammoth simultaneous inflammation of several critical organs and their vasculature.
In almost 50% of cases, this inflammation is linked with considerable complications in the cardiovascular system that directly affect the heart muscle and can result in diminished cardiac function. Moreover, the virus can cause dilation of coronary arteries without any known future concerns.
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