Curtis Jones transfer

[CP84]

Just entered the transfer portal at Oklahoma State.

6'4" combo guard. Former elite prospect.

Might be a great 1 year replacement for Bohannon if he's out. Jones can play point or shooting guard.

 

[Legend12]

Just entered the transfer portal at Oklahoma State.

6'4" combo guard. Former elite prospect.

Might be a great 1 year replacement for Bohannon if he's out. Jones can play point or shooting guard.

Won't know until later this summer if he will be eligible next season.

 

[CP84]

Won't know until later this summer if he will be eligible next year.

That may be fine. If he holds off committing then we can better measure JoBo's progress.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

Has he even announced schools he's looking at?

 

[BBHawk]

From what I read, Jones played 2 years at Indiana, then transferred to OK State, sat out a year, then played last year there. So he will have 4 years of college in and be looking to play for a 3rd school. My money is on him ending up at NE...

 

[CO_hawk]

From what I read, Jones played 2 years at Indiana, then transferred to OK State, sst out a year, then played last year there. So he will have 4 years ov college in and be looking to play for a 3rd school. My money is on him ending up at NE...

Lol, yup

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

Just entered the transfer portal at Oklahoma State.

6'4" combo guard. Former elite prospect.

Might be a great 1 year replacement for Bohannon if he's out. Jones can play point or shooting guard.

That's great. What makes you think he has Iowa interest? I'm asking, not being a smart ass.

 

[CP84]

That's great. What makes you think he has Iowa interest? I'm asking, not being a smart ass.

No substance yet.

Basketball recruiting with Fran is extremely discombobulated as it is and tough to predict. We take shots at all the big names and settle for late offers to mid range 3 stars.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

No substance yet.

Basketball recruiting with Fran is extremely discombobulated as it is and tough to predict. We take shots at all the big names and settle for late offers to mid range 3 stars.

Sounds the like problem isnt with our recruiting but rather your ability to understand recruiting.

 

[CP84]

Sounds the like problem isnt with our recruiting but rather your ability to understand recruiting.

I'm not sure what you mean?

I have no problem with Fran targeting big fish but we often miss on solid contingencies by chasing players we have no chance with. We are then left to settling for 3 stars ranked outside of the top 200 like the Moss class.

HawkeyeInsiders has already reported that Iowa has almost no chance of getting Dawson Garcia, Caleb Love and Jalen Suggs yet we spend an inordinate amount of visits on them.

There are plenty of solid regional 4 stars that we seem to miss because we address with offers later.

Steven Crowl is an example.

Sean Bock and David at HawkeyeInsiders are equally confused by our basketball recruiting strategies. Those two are certainly closer to the process than you.

 

[HungryHawk]

I'm not sure what you mean?

I have no problem with Fran targeting big fish but we often miss on solid contingencies by chasing players we have no chance with. We are then left to settling for 3 stars ranked outside of the top 200 like the Moss class.

HawkeyeInsiders has already reported that Iowa has almost no chance of getting Dawson Garcia, Caleb Love and Jalen Suggs yet we spend an inordinate amount of visits on them.

There are plenty of solid regional 4 stars that we seem to miss because we address with offers later.

Steven Crowl is an example.

Sean Bock and David at HawkeyeInsiders are equally confused by our basketball recruiting strategies. Those two are certainly closer to the process than you.

I get what you are saying to some extent, but if we didn't go after the big fish people would just complain about that too.

You can't recruit everyone, and I always have a hard time saying that I have a better idea of which recruits are better/more realistic than the entire coaching staff. I try to keep in mind too that we don't hear everything that happens with regards to recruiting. For all we know, they reach out to tons of kids that we never hear about because there is zero interest.

I totally get the frustration some people have with recruiting results but I also don't think the answer is as simple as so many people seem to think it is.

 

[BBHawk]

I'm not sure what you mean?

I have no problem with Fran targeting big fish but we often miss on solid contingencies by chasing players we have no chance with. We are then left to settling for 3 stars ranked outside of the top 200 like the Moss class.

HawkeyeInsiders has already reported that Iowa has almost no chance of getting Dawson Garcia, Caleb Love and Jalen Suggs yet we spend an inordinate amount of visits on them.

There are plenty of solid regional 4 stars that we seem to miss because we address with offers later.

Steven Crowl is an example.

Sean Bock and David at HawkeyeInsiders are equally confused by our basketball recruiting strategies. Those two are certainly closer to the process than you.

Can you please link the articles where they state this? Thanks in advance.

 

[perryhawk]

I'm not sure what you mean?

HawkeyeInsiders has already reported that Iowa has almost no chance of getting Dawson Garcia, Caleb Love and Jalen Suggs yet we spend an inordinate amount of visits on them.

There are plenty of solid regional 4 stars that we seem to miss because we address with offers later.

Steven Crowl is an example.

Maybe I am misinterpreting but I don't think these statements are an accurate representation.

Crowl we jumped on recently but were one of the earlier ones in because he started to blow up...I think.

Suggs we were in a reasonable position with until coach Francis moved along...because he was not only the primary recruiter there but friends with the kids dad?

Garcia we have been on for a long time....our staff identified him early and they have been on top of it for a long time.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

I'm not sure what you mean?

I have no problem with Fran targeting big fish but we often miss on solid contingencies by chasing players we have no chance with. We are then left to settling for 3 stars ranked outside of the top 200 like the Moss class.

HawkeyeInsiders has already reported that Iowa has almost no chance of getting Dawson Garcia, Caleb Love and Jalen Suggs yet we spend an inordinate amount of visits on them.

There are plenty of solid regional 4 stars that we seem to miss because we address with offers later.

Steven Crowl is an example.

Sean Bock and David at HawkeyeInsiders are equally confused by our basketball recruiting strategies. Those two are certainly closer to the process than you.

Doubtful

 

[CP84]

Maybe I am misinterpreting but I don't think these statements are an accurate representation.

Crowl we jumped on recently but were one of the earlier ones in because he started to blow up...I think.

Suggs we were in a reasonable position with until coach Francis moved along...because he was not only the primary recruiter there but friends with the kids dad?

Garcia we have been on for a long time....our staff identified him early and they have been on top of it for a long time.

Fran is friends with Matt Hurts' dad not Suggs.

Again, Iowa has almost no chance with Garcia. This is comparible to the Keion Brooks recruitment. Same is true for Suggs. We are absolutely not in a reasonable position to land either.

The point with Crowl is if you wait to offer the second tier when the Wisconsin's of the world start inviting them for visits, then you usually end up with the 3rd tier, high level mid majors.

This is why Kirk by contrast is successful. He gets in early on the second level guys, e.g., Alex Padilla, before they get offers from teams like Georgia.

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

I totally agree with you here. Especially your last two paragraphs... Fran needs to focus on the guys that have very good talent but are potentially overlooked by P6 schools.

Find your targets and jump on them. Now, not the spring.. With Connor and Patrick able to easily not need a full-ride scholarship, Fran needs to spend considerable effort finding the second-tier overlooked guys.

If we land some big fish, awesome. then use Patrick and Connor's scholarship(s). If it's a swing-and-a-miss on the big fish, his kids can get a full ride. And we don't end up with a roll of a dice player, or a third-tier player.

Enormous Mistake by Fran in his time at Iowa. Especially now with his kids being able to not take scholarships. IMHO

Again, Iowa has almost no chance with Garcia. This is comparible to the Keion Brooks recruitment. Same is true for Suggs. We are absolutely not in a reasonable position to land either.

The point with Crowl is if you wait to offer the second tier when the Wisconsin's of the world start inviting them for visits, then you usually end up with the 3rd tier, high level mid majors.

This is why Kirk by contrast is successful. He gets in early on the second level guys, e.g., Alex Padilla, before they get offers from teams like Georgia.

 

[perryhawk]

Fran is friends with Matt Hurts' dad not Suggs.

Again, Iowa has almost no chance with Garcia. This is comparible to the Keion Brooks recruitment. Same is true for Suggs. We are absolutely not in a reasonable position to land either.

The point with Crowl is if you wait to offer the second tier when the Wisconsin's of the world start inviting them for visits, then you usually end up with the 3rd tier, high level mid majors.

This is why Kirk by contrast is successful. He gets in early on the second level guys, e.g., Alex Padilla, before they get offers from teams like Georgia.

Fran is friends with Matt Hurts' dad not Suggs.....That's why I said Coach Francis.

 

[BBHawk]

It's on the HawkeyeInsiders forum if you're a member there. I've been a HR member longer but I've found their recruiting analysis to be superior, or at least less pollyanna. They have ties to 247 which I prefer to Rivals.

I do prefer the other content and forums here though. Both sites have value, just depends what you're looking for.

I hear you, but I was hoping for quotes, not your interpretation. McC has irons in the fire for all kinds of recruits, but you tend to hear about the bigger ones first. In recent classes, most of the other recruits he gets are 3 bordering-on-4-star kids.

Some of the 3-star (when offerred) gems McC has brought in:
Bryce Cartwright
Melsahn Basabe
Roy Marble
Gabe Olaseni
Aaron White
Josh Oglesby
Anthony Clemmons
Mike Gesell
Peter Jok
Jordan Bohannon
Ryan Kriener
Cordell Pemsl
Jack Nunge
Luka Garza
CJ Fredrick
Joe Toussaint

A few became 4-star after offered but were not earlier.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Sounds the like problem isnt with our recruiting but rather your ability to understand recruiting.

His post was spot on. Please enlighten us. Once again Fran is a no show in the transfer space while throwing offers at kids he has no shot at getting and the end result will be landing kids who should be in the MVC and who will finish their careers there after transferring. I think the only person who doesn't understand recruiting is you. All I read are your Fran apology threads but never any substance to follow up your criticisms. What is Fran's secret strategy that only you seem to know?

 

[L. Wade Childress]

His post was spot on. Please enlighten us. Once again Fran is a no show in the transfer space while throwing offers at kids he has no shot at getting and the end result will be landing kids who should be in the MVC and who will finish their careers there after transferring. I think the only person who doesn't understand recruiting is you. All I read are your Fran apology threads but never any substance to follow up your criticisms. What is Fran's secret strategy that only you seem to know?

Seriously what is wrong with you? Get help, or at least stop ****ing up this board.

 

[CO_hawk]

His post was spot on. Please enlighten us. Once again Fran is a no show in the transfer space while throwing offers at kids he has no shot at getting and the end result will be landing kids who should be in the MVC and who will finish their careers there after transferring. I think the only person who doesn't understand recruiting is you. All I read are your Fran apology threads but never any substance to follow up your criticisms. What is Fran's secret strategy that only you seem to know?

Lol. You mad at getting back to the NCAA tournament last year? Virtually Iowa's starting 5 will be all 4 * recruits.....

 

[TCOOL]

Virtually Iowa's starting 5 will be all 4 * recruits.....

Who besides Wieskamp and Garza?

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Seriously what is wrong with you? Get help, or at least stop ****ing up this board.

What is wrong with me? You can't have an honest conversation with anyone without name calling and playing the superior intellect card. Pretty simple to engage with your point of view vs. insulting everyone for not being as smart as you. Tell us what Fran is doing so well that he deserves our praise on the recruiting front. Simple request. I know you can't actually engage because the facts are not on your side. Comical that you see yourself as adding value to the board and view me as some bad actor. In a poll, you would lose in a landslide.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Lol. You mad at getting back to the NCAA tournament last year? Virtually Iowa's starting 5 will be all 4 * recruits.....

Ok. We will see how the upcoming season goes. When all of these stud recruits Fran allegedly has landed prove it on the court then you can feed me all the crow burgers you want and I will own every misconstrued post I have made.

 

[hexumhawk]

Just entered the transfer portal at Oklahoma State.

6'4" combo guard. Former elite prospect.

Might be a great 1 year replacement for Bohannon if he's out. Jones can play point or shooting guard.

We dont do grad transfers bro

 

[CO_hawk]

Ok. We will see how the upcoming season goes. When all of these stud recruits Fran allegedly has landed prove it on the court then you can feed me all the crow burgers you want and I will own every misconstrued post I have made.

Same to you. Enjoy the offseason. Come back mad if Iowa comes up short next year.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Sounds like Curtis Jones has issues, so I can understand staying away from him. That said, prior to the past few months, it seems like Fran and his assistants have not been very active in recruiting transfers, especially grad transfers. It seems like he has finally realized that it is now a big part of recruiting for a lot of successful teams. I don't want Iowa to become mercenary U, but adding a proven transfer every year or two to fill holes in the roster and to balance classes, could sure help.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Same to you. Enjoy the offseason. Come back mad if Iowa comes up short next year.

Who is mad? I am disappointed that year after year Fran does nothing in the transfer market to help the team. Every other team takes advantage of this but not Fran. Fran has not won a second round game in 9 years doing it his way. Look at the teams that advance in March utilizing transfers. You can slice and dice the TN game however you like. TN advanced, Iowa went home.

As you said, we will see.

 

[MepoDawg#]

Who is mad? I am disappointed that year after year Fran does nothing in the transfer market to help the team. Every other team takes advantage of this but not Fran. Fran has not won a second round game in 9 years doing it his way. Look at the teams that advance in March utilizing transfers. You can slice and dice the TN game however you like. TN advanced, Iowa went home.

As you said, we will see.

So Fran hasn't tried to land transfers? So he's contacted 0 this year?

 

[Legend12]

Who is mad? I am disappointed that year after year Fran does nothing in the transfer market to help the team. Every other team takes advantage of this but not Fran. Fran has not won a second round game in 9 years doing it his way. Look at the teams that advance in March utilizing transfers. You can slice and dice the TN game however you like. TN advanced, Iowa went home.

As you said, we will see.

Which TN transfers impacted that game?

 

[Ihawkhoops]

So Fran hasn't tried to land transfers? So he's contacted 0 this year?

0 results and I don't believe Iowa is the least desirable destination on the planet or that the team's needs are so specific that only a handful of guys would be able to help. Fran is outspoken about how much he dislikes "free agents" so it's not hard to fill in the blanks. You can't tell me you think Fran has really been trying all these years and has just been unlucky. He throws his name in the hat occasionally for guys who are barely above 0% chance of coming here so people think he is really trying. If he were serious about this he would have a guy or two in the mix every season given the needs and transfers.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Which TN transfers impacted that game?

When you spend 1/3 of the season at # 1 and advance past the second round you are doing a good job recruiting. You saw Matt Mooney and Tariq Evans play for Texas Tech I assume. How far would they have gotten without them? Likely would not have made the tournament.

 

[CO_hawk]

Who is mad? I am disappointed that year after year Fran does nothing in the transfer market to help the team. Every other team takes advantage of this but not Fran. Fran has not won a second round game in 9 years doing it his way. Look at the teams that advance in March utilizing transfers. You can slice and dice the TN game however you like. TN advanced, Iowa went home.

As you said, we will see.

Ok now look at all the teams that take transfers that didn't make the tournament.

 

[Legend12]

When you spend 1/3 of the season at # 1 and advance past the second round you are doing a good job recruiting. You saw Matt Mooney and Tariq Evans play for Texas Tech I assume. How far would they have gotten without them? Likely would not have made the tournament.

"Every other team takes advantage of this but not Fran."

 

[MepoDawg#]

When you spend 1/3 of the season at # 1 and advance past the second round you are doing a good job recruiting. You saw Matt Mooney and Tariq Evans play for Texas Tech I assume. How far would they have gotten without them? Likely would not have made the tournament.

Tech is not Tennessee. How's it working out for Nebraska last year or ISU or any number of teams who finished worse than Iowa, all 300+ of them.

 

[MepoDawg#]

Crickets!!!!!

When you spend 1/3 of the season at # 1 and advance past the second round you are doing a good job recruiting. You saw Matt Mooney and Tariq Evans play for Texas Tech I assume. How far would they have gotten without them? Likely would not have made the tournament.

Tech is not Tennessee. How's it working out for Nebraska last year or ISU or any number of teams who finished worse than Iowa, all 300+ of them.

 

[David1979]

Tech is not Tennessee. How's it working out for Nebraska last year or ISU or any number of teams who finished worse than Iowa, all 300+ of them.

Transfers worked out pretty well for ISU. Worked out pretty well for Kentucky and Kansas as well.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Crickets!!!!!

Not sure what your point is exactly. So you take Nebraska and ISU as your two data points? Ok, I will stick with mine about Texas Tech losing a ton of talent the prior year, being picked last or next to last in the Big 12 and making it to the title game. Fran has yet to see the weekend of the BTT.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Ok now look at all the teams that take transfers that didn't make the tournament.

Ok. How many of those teams have a coach making what Fran makes who has been there for 9 years with 0 coaching changes in a P5 conference? When Fran gets past the 2nd round of the BTT and makes a Sweet 16 you can tell me he doesn't need to add talent and I will agree. Give me a grad transfer for 1 year over multiple years of the guys Fran has brought in here to occupy scholarships and never improve.

 

[iahawks10]

Ok. We will see how the upcoming season goes. When all of these stud recruits Fran allegedly has landed prove it on the court then you can feed me all the crow burgers you want and I will own every misconstrued post I have made.

Pretty sure I read this same post from you before last season too.