Now you are just being obtuse. The current media dollars are $31.4 million. The total conference distributions are $55 million.
Dave Wannstedt says he has heard ISU and Kansas to Big Ten
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Simple, you bring it upon yourselves. Clone fans make ISU easy to hate. Have you read some if the stupid things you and your fellow Clones spout on here?
Anyone else notice cyclonefanatics has basically turned into the Qanon of conference realignment?
They've constructed surprisingly detailed theories of how this will play out based on little clues like from this asshole Dave Wannstedt. All the TV executives have ensured a spot for the little 8, patience. Sound familiar?
They've constructed surprisingly detailed theories of how this will play out based on little clues like from this asshole Dave Wannstedt. All the TV executives have ensured a spot for the little 8, patience. Sound familiar?
Lone Clone is the rare exception for Clone fans around here. He's pretty good shite. I can hang with fans like him.
Exactly. I saw (and still see) plenty of ISU clowns absolutely relishing the racial catastrophe that occurred at iowa last summer. Almost as if ISU fans are cheering on the possible destruction of iowa football and the allegations behind it.
Let's not act like ISU is holier than thou
Had to peak at CyFan to see the madness. Saw this tweet posted there. Looks like ISU President involved in Big 12 expansion. Looks like their dream of the Big 10 is close to being shattered. Look forward to them telling us how much better the new Big 12 is though.
Lol @CyRail thinking 2020 actually counted as a forfeit. I guess if that's the only way to get a win over Iowa...
Too funny.
Wrong.
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Iowa
Total expenses: $146,282,275.
Ticket revenue was $27,178,942, including $22,251,258 from football. Other key sources of revenue included contributions of $35,411,331, media rights including TV of $45,140,661, and royalties and licensing of $10,654,727.
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https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2020/...-approaches-2-billion-a-year-in-spending.html
I agree with Cyrail. It is sad to read the level of intensity + hate towards Iowa State during this time. Even as an Iowa State alumnus, I would not wish this upon the University of Iowa. The reason is very simple: a lot of my family + friends are Iowa grads + fans. They enjoy watching Iowa athletics, and it would be really tough to see it "dissolve" into something less than what it is. Iowa State (and the other remaining Big 12 schools) alumni + fans are struggling for no reason. They've done nothing wrong.
We still don't know what will happen. All the speculation on this board is meaningless.
I will repeat what I've said before. Iowa is fortunate to already be in the Big Ten.
I'm just going to enjoy this season. We'll see what happens next year + beyond. No sense fretting over something out of our control.
I think we can all agree that Texas + Oklahoma are scum. They started a domino effect which will negatively affect college FB more than any of us are aware of.
We still don't know what will happen. All the speculation on this board is meaningless.
I will repeat what I've said before. Iowa is fortunate to already be in the Big Ten.
I'm just going to enjoy this season. We'll see what happens next year + beyond. No sense fretting over something out of our control.
I think we can all agree that Texas + Oklahoma are scum. They started a domino effect which will negatively affect college FB more than any of us are aware of.
This is where you are wrong. As Husker fans will remind anybody who listens, the 8 remaining schools had a choice many years ago to side with Nebraska and stand up to Texas. You all sides with Texas. After that Nebraska, Colorado, Mizzou, and aTm all had the foresight to read the room and get the heck out of the Big 12. The Little 8 made their choice and chose to side with Texas, who eventually stabbed you all in the back.
You all chose poorly.
2020 Fiesta Bowl
3.8 rating 6.68 million viewers
2018 Fiesta Bowl
4.7 rating 8.47 million viewers
So which one of these is better?
2020 Big12 Championship Game
1.8 rating 2.99 million viewers
2019 Big12 Championship Game
5.5 rating 8.7 million viewers
to help you out 8.7m>>>>>2.99m
just for comparison sake
2015B1G Championship Game*
5.7 rating 9.818 million viewers
* up over the previous year which was 3.5 rating with Ohio State/Wisconsin.
2016 Rose Bowl
7.4 rating 13.552 million viewers
Checkmate
You side with the dickweed who has repeatedly come over here and proclaimed ISU won via a 2-0 forfeit last year and also proclaimed ISU Big XII champions that your conference won't recognize?
That dude tried to bring the smoke and once the expansion door got slammed shut he decided to play the "you guys are mean" card and go home.
Sorry, not sorry. Have fun in whatever diminished existence you find yourselves in after Texas and Oklahoma leave.
A big part of it is your goober AD. He's classless and your fanbase eats it up, which makes me generally resent them. The other part is I've always subscribed to the school of thought that the hawks have been disadvantaged in ways their natural rivals of Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota, and Nebraska have not: another in-state high-major school to compete for resources, recruits, and fandom. So while I wouldn't say I'm necessarily reveling in ISU's demise, I'm excited about the long-term implications for the hawks.
Amen to that. laughable reading both these guys sit on their high horse with their post especially with garbage they’ve spewed prior. But I remember all the ahole ISU fans enjoying and reveling during iowa‘s tumultuous summer last year on here and could only imagine what it was like on the cesspool known as cyclone fanatic. Or even back in the city boyz and everson satterfield low points having dbags like head ISU writer for cyclone report Paul Clark talking about how great it was for ISU and to seize the opportunity with Iowa being down and vulnerable. Be fun to watch ISU drift into the land of mid majors with Big 12 imploding and becoming as relevant as the AAC and Mt West.
Many Iowa fans may be off and guess high on conference championships, but how many ISU fans would guess low?
Speak for yourself. They're my two favorite Big 12 teams now.
Good god, yes... and please take your douche bag buddies with you. This used to be a nice pub.
It's more funny watching Clown fans dismiss legitimate shared conference titles in the same year they fabricated the term "regular season champions" to describe their season.
What I reported was not wrong. I used data from the 2022 budget as reported to the Board of Regents. If I back up and look at Fiscal Year 2019 actuals to see how that squares with the Cleveland.com numbers, I see the following line items.
- Total operating expenses of $122,310,057. I'm not sure why the Cleveland.com number is so much different. Maybe some financial wizard can enlighten us.
- There is no line item specifically for ticket sales. There are line items for income by sport which would include ticket sales and maybe some other things. For FY2019 the actuals were $27,352,776 for men's sports and $489,618 for women's sports. Football was $23,071,039. (Since these figures are slightly larger than what Cleveland.com reported, maybe they had a more detailed breakdown which separated out the ticket sales from the other stuff.)
- Income from Athletic Conference of $54,827,039. (That would include the Big Ten six year media contract which from other reports averages out to $31.4 million per year. However the financial report to the Board of Regents doesn't break down those conference distributions any further.)
- Learfield Multi Media Contract Income was $7,763,464
And just to repeat, I used 2022 budgeted data in my original post. The numbers I pulled for this post were actuals from FY2019 to use the same year as the linked Cleveland.com numbers.
I think you're delving into numbers without understanding the true nature of what you're looking at. You should be looking at the total conference disbursement as a whole. If ISU does not bring in enough revenue to cover that number, then they will reduce conference disbursement on a per school basis. It's that simple.
So the question is, do you think OSU would bring in $55M/year in revenue to the B1G? My answer is a vehement no.
Are we done with those pesky viewer facts?
2020 Fiesta Bowl
3.8 rating 6.68 million viewers
2018 Fiesta Bowl
4.7 rating 8.47 million viewers
So which one of these is better?
2020 Big12 Championship Game
1.8 rating 2.99 million viewers
2019 Big12 Championship Game
5.5 rating 8.7 million viewers
to help you out 8.7m>>>>>2.99m
just for comparison sake
2015B1G Championship Game*
5.7 rating 9.818 million viewers
* up over the previous year which was 3.5 rating with Ohio State/Wisconsin.
2016 Rose Bowl
7.4 rating 13.552 million viewers
I don’t believe that Cleveland.com has entered this data into ‘your computer’ or ‘your pivot table’ so this information doesn’t exist. Sorry, thank you for trying.
I'd rather not see ISU relegated to a G5 type of status, if that makes you feel better.
And you're crazy if you don't think a majority of ISU fans wouldn't relish in seeing Iowa athletics wiped clean from the face of the earth. They hate Iowa on a visceral level.
BS, the level of “hate” towards isu is nothing in comparison to what flows daily on cryclown fanatic. Or must we ignore that site with your grand leaders CyTwins and Brandon?
Did you happen to watch the Iowa isu soccer game last night . Even the isu women’s soccer team is just as douchy as the rest of your fan base. You had a player ejected because she was playing like a douche. Must we forget the assault of our marching band?
You’ve got balls coming to an Iowa board trying to take some high and mighty stance chastising Iowa fans. Good lord have a spec of self awareness about how your fan base, players, coaches and AD behave towards Iowa. Fix that first before you come back riding in here on some high horse.
It is how isu by in large behaves towards Iowa that I hope isu ends up in the MAC, the WAC or the MVC. Just what your fan base deserves.
Go be “so proud” somewhere else. If you feel the need to lecture someone go to cryclown fanatic. I would love to see how it would be received.
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In what way did we side with Texas? Serious question. The only issue that comes to mind is whether to accept partial qualifiers. IIRC, Nebraska was the only school that wanted to allow it. But that was a long time ago, and maybe I've forgotten other issues.
If it’s like most things it’s about $$$$. Was there issues with media shares, conference shares, etc?
Right? Tons of their fans still call Kirk KKKirk and relish in any opportunity to cast stones. Most of that fanbase wants nothing more than for Iowa to dissappear. His high horse post is some of the biggest bunch of crap I've ever read. Really rich considering most of the crap he posts.
Why? That would be hilarious.
So the Iowa AD is on a committee to help with scheduling games for the newly formed Big 10, Pac 12 and ACC Alliance and the ISU President is on a committee to expand the Big 12 with lower tier teams. What a world of difference.
I'm not sure why I am bothering to respond to you since most of your posts are trolly and not really looking for answers, instead just trying to frame data to fit some strange argument that ISU would advantageous to league payout, but I figured I would respond since it may be informational for a few posters here. FYI I'm just a guy, so this is all my possibly incorrect interpretation and I am maybe a bit surprised we don't have a media rights guy in here like I have seen on other boards I frequent to explain this better than me.
1) The 31.4 mil media deal you keep talking about is not equally distributed yet. Rutgers for example still is not receiving the full payout from the B1G
2) Conf payout includes other sources - ie the B1G gets ~80mil from the CFP (so does the B12, SEC, ACC, and P12 FYI), ~40mil from the Rose Bowl, a decent chunk (maybe ~40 mil is my guess) from all other total bowls combined paid out, and I believe quite a bit from the NCAA tournament and other stuff. Call this a total of maybe $250 mil.
3) This is where I'm not the expert but there are also paid rights for example if ABC wants to do a story on Luka Garza and pays the B1G for clips for a story. This is probably small but non-zero
Putting this all together, 1) The partial share offsets would probably be negotiated to be net neutral to the conference payout since the addition of two teams wouldn't cause a major renegotiation of the TV contract like Rutgers did adding the NYC markets. Additionally I don't think KU and ISU would get the network contracts to increase proportionally to the added teams. You do. Whatever. I would caution you on thinking that ISU would come out ahead here, they would probably be getting equal or less than what they currently get in the B12 for the first 5 years in the B1G due to partial share payout. 2) Other sources of income - you probably think since ISU went to the Fiesta last year that they will every year, so the B1G would get a giant bowl additional payout every year, but really it would just push bowl teams around, I could see the additional contracts with addition being more like $6 mil, the destruction of the B12 being a net of $8 mil addition to remaining P5 conferences, and some NCAA /other income of a few mil (I'll be generous and say $6 mil). Sounds like a big number, but among 16 teams, it would mean dividing 270/16 wheras before it was 250/14 (plus the good chance of an additional ~8 if the B12 is relegated to G5 anyway!) - really this is one of the main reasons to only add a big name team to your conference, to try to get a more expensive bowl tie 3) This is negligible so not going to look at this.
Nailed it. Game set match. ISU and JP made their bed already.
Do you feel sorry for UNI? They aren't even close to your level. You must have sorrow for them.
I saw where a TCU journo was stating add BYU, Cincy, UCF and Boise State. Would be decent adds, but they are gonna have to play some weird days and times to get good exposure.
