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Deere & Co. continued to rake in record profits this fall, and the company expects to make even more next year...Job elimination to go on as scheduled

Fair enough.

But what would you do if you were on the Board or the CEO and you were hired by the stockholders to get them a great ROI? Take a pay cut so you could retain more workers? Tell the shareholders the company is already making a lot of money and making more is unnecessary?

People like to say the government handouts are an example of socialism. They aren't. An example of cocialism is when the government controls companies by putting limits on how much money they can make. You don't want that do you?

My motto - Let business thrive, and then tax 'em!
Again, this is what executives do - work for shareholders and themselves. Workers are nothing but a cost. The hypocrisy shows up when workers unite to gain a bit of leverage and the pro-business conservatives start to attack the unions claiming they are "socialists" and trying to force companies into bankruptcy.

The irony in all of this is how corporations have gotten so many to buy into their victimization. Lots of gullible people out there.
 
Companies don't cut jobs if they are needed for production.

Why are you ignoring the question? If you are running a business, and have unnecessary people, what would you do?
You cut the jobs and don't replace the workers. Again, that's not what's happening here. Pay attention.
 
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I looked it up, and wasn't quite as lazy as Riley, though his post was accurate. Their TOTAL compensation averages around $300K per year. That's not outrageous at all for a company the size of Deere.
No, director pay isn’t outrageous, but I think you could argue directors are overpaid for what’s essentially a three weeks/yr oversight role.

CEO pay, on the other hand, is absolutely outrageous.
 
Companies don't cut jobs if they are needed for production.

Why are you ignoring the question? If you are running a business, and have unnecessary people, what would you do?
Yes, companies do indeed cut production jobs if they determine they aren't profitable enough or risk profit in other areas, not that this seems applicable in this case.

And did you read the article? The jobs are going to Mexico. So they are necessary. Deere just want to make even more record profits which they openly admit to.
 
I looked it up, and wasn't quite as lazy as Riley, though his post was accurate. Their TOTAL compensation averages around $300K per year. That's not outrageous at all for a company the size of Deere.
The point is it's common for many, many companies - it's pay for what amounts to a few weeks of work. Pay to executives already making huge salaries. It's part of the wealthy rewarding the wealthy that rubes like you fail to acknowledge.

It's the way our capitalist society works these days - and companies are free to operate that way. But it's about time they are acknowledged widely for what they are. And for society to acknowledge workers need some leverage and protections too.
 
Yeah, I suspect you would think that. Have you ever been to a board meeting of a company of any size? What do you think outside directors do?
Have you? Do you know any board members of Fortune 100 companies?

LOL
 
The point is it's common for many, many companies - it's pay for what amounts to a few weeks of work. Pay to executives already making huge salaries. It's part of the wealthy rewarding the wealthy that rubes like you fail to acknowledge.

It's the way our capitalist society works these days - and companies are free to operate that way. But it's about time they are acknowledged widely for what they are. And for society to acknowledge workers need some leverage and protections too.
No, they aren't being paid just for their time. They are being paid for their expertise and ability to make the company successful.

You epitomize the mindset of a few liberals here. You think like an hourly employee or gym teacher instead of an executive.
 
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Yeah, I suspect you would think that. Have you ever been to a board meeting of a company of any size? What do you think outside directors do?
I have never personally heard of a fulltime board position that lasts the entire year. My point was to highlight the absudity of you claiming that $300k is not much for what is essentially a temporary very part time job.

Are you trying to make an ass out of yourself in this thread?
 
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No, they aren't being paid just for their time. They are being paid for their expertise and ability to make the company successful.

You epitomize the mindset of a few liberals here. You think like an hourly employee or gym teacher instead of an executive.
And their expert advice is to move jobs to Mexico. How "liberal" of us to get pissed at this.
 
No, they aren't being paid just for their time. They are being paid for their expertise and ability to make the company successful.

You epitomize the mindset of a few liberals here. You think like an hourly employee or gym teacher instead of an executive.
They also get paid to take on a little risk as a director and the chance they get dragged into one or more lawsuits. Still, it’s lucrative gig. There is a reason so many want to do it. They can retire and be on 2-3 boards.

As I said earlier, I think the real outrage is CEO pay.
 
No, they aren't being paid just for their time. They are being paid for their expertise and ability to make the company successful.

You epitomize the mindset of a few liberals here. You think like an hourly employee or gym teacher instead of an executive.
Everyone is paid for their expertise and ability. JFC. The point you're trying to dance around is that they are able to reap huge rewards in a multitude of ways beyond their enormous salaries. They are motivated only to line their pockets and those of shareholders (which is usually themselves as well).

Stop with the nonsense that they give a shit about workers and start supporting workers efforts to even out the rewards.

You epitomize a rube whose bought into the right wing propaganda on corporations.
 
They also get paid to take on a little risk as a director and the chance they get dragged into one or more lawsuits. Still, it’s lucrative gig. There is a reason so many want to do it. They can retire and be on 2-3 boards.

As I said earlier, I think the real outrage is CEO pay.
They can be on many more than 2-3 boards in retirement. They can, and often are, on 2-3 boards while working full time.
 
Deere's board is pretty messed up when you think about it. They just got paid $300k for very little work to make several hundred people's lives hell in the foreseeable future.
 
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Companies don't cut jobs if they are needed for production.

Why are you ignoring the question? If you are running a business, and have unnecessary people, what would you do?
Again, you're just taking Deere's side that the employees are unnecessary. I watch necessary employees get cut constantly in order to save money.
 
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Yeah, I suspect you would think that. Have you ever been to a board meeting of a company of any size? What do you think outside directors do?
I have. Most of the time is spent golfing, hobnobbing and going to dinner.

There are also a few hours of meetings.

$300K to network and advise is asinine. It is literally, in every sense of the word, a club.
 
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No, they aren't being paid just for their time. They are being paid for their expertise and ability to make the company successful.

You epitomize the mindset of a few liberals here. You think like an hourly employee or gym teacher instead of an executive.
I get it, hourly employees and gym teachers aren't real people like executives. They are abstract figures in an abstract labor market.
 
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Some folks just don't understand capitalism. You don't just keep workers around that you feel you can do without.
But yet, workers are encouraged to work extra hours. Do the work of others when short staffed. Take on extra responsibilities. Make sure you give 30 days notice if you’re leaving. All out of a sense of loyalty and teamwork.

Some folks understand capitalism completely and have absolutely no loyalty to their employers at all. The way corporations are treating their employees is for shit, and no employer should expect any loyalty from any employee. If I got a better job offer I wouldn’t hesitate to quit with no notice and this is why.
 
But yet, workers are encouraged to work extra hours. Do the work of others when short staffed. Take on extra responsibilities. Make sure you give 30 days notice if you’re leaving. All out of a sense of loyalty and teamwork.

Some folks understand capitalism completely and have absolutely no loyalty to their employers at all. The way corporations are treating their employees is for shit, and no employer should expect any loyalty from any employee. If I got a better job offer I wouldn’t hesitate to quit with no notice and this is why.
Absolutely. That's individual capitalism. You get to go work somewhere else if it's better.
 
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John May makes $25 million a year. His entire business career is with Deere. He’s early fifties.

You think he’d leave if they offered him only $15 million a year? Is he one hundred $100k workers better than the next option?

Board approves outrageous salaries for executives. Executives continue the sweet board membership retirement grift. The only place cost-cutting ever takes place is with regular workers.
 
John May makes $25 million a year. His entire business career is with Deere. He’s early fifties.

You think he’d leave if they offered him only $15 million a year? Is he one hundred $100k workers better than the next option?

Board approves outrageous salaries for executives. Executives continue the sweet board membership retirement grift. The only place cost-cutting ever takes place is with regular workers.
Sounds like how labor unions operate. The big cheese makes big cheese and the rest fight for the scraps.
 
What are the stock options for employees these days? My dad retired comfortably at a young age as a department supervisor on the factory floor. Sure he was paid well, but long term it was our family stock holdings that made that feasible. He was able to buy stock regularly at a discount and share in the success in the company itself. He retired early by accumulating and holding while many guys that worked under him would take the stock opportunity to buy the max at the discount just to sell it the next day and blow the difference on something dumb. Maybe it's not possible there anymore, but back then the workers certainly did have an opportunity and incentive to buy pieces of the company and share in those record profits and good dividends.
 
Absolutely. That's individual capitalism. You get to go work somewhere else if it's better.
Employment at my wife’s place of business has been cut in half over the past year or so through attrition. Same number of physicians working the same number of patients. However, her workload has doubled. More money? Nope. She can’t take vacation. She was basically shamed into postponing an elective surgery.

The entire corporate world is corrupt and two faced. They expect loyalty and hard work and sell out their employees at the drop of a hat.

I’ve never really supported the concept of quiet quitting until now. F them. They get what they deserve.
 
Employment at my wife’s place of business has been cut in half over the past year or so through attrition. Same number of physicians working the same number of patients. However, her workload has doubled. More money? Nope. She can’t take vacation. She was basically shamed into postponing an elective surgery.

The entire corporate world is corrupt and two faced. They expect loyalty and hard work and sell out their employees at the drop of a hat.

I’ve never really supported the concept of quiet quitting until now. F them. They get what they deserve.
Is working somewhere else not an option for her?
 
What are the stock options for employees these days? My dad retired comfortably at a young age as a department supervisor on the factory floor. Sure he was paid well, but long term it was our family stock holdings that made that feasible. He was able to buy stock regularly at a discount and share in the success in the company itself. He retired early by accumulating and holding while many guys that worked under him would take the stock opportunity to buy the max at the discount just to sell it the next day and blow the difference on something dumb. Maybe it's not possible there anymore, but back then the workers certainly did have an opportunity and incentive to buy pieces of the company and share in those record profits and good dividends.
Employees can buy stock, so can non-employees. Executives are GIVEN stock and lots of it.
 
Is working somewhere else not an option for her?
That's such a simple minded response to the issue. "If you don't like, go work somewhere else". In the next breath you and others complain "there's no loyalty from employees", "we can't get good workers", etc. Far too many in the middle class and lower have been conned that corporations are victims.
 
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It’s her personality. It’s easier to stay than it is to move. Another consideration is that we are closing in on 60. She doesn’t have a pension there just a 401k but doesn’t want the hassle.
The medical profession has gone off the rails. Providers are being stretched too thin, patients have to wait months for an appointment and then other get to see the doctor for 10 min. Not good.
 
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