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*Developments in SWARM19 Recruiting*

HuskerBaby2005 said:
Rivals sucks for midwest kids - use 247 non-composite instead.

Kallenberger was 4* #242 overall and Jenkins is 4* #206 overall. I expect both of them to contribute heavily in the 2019 season.
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ever since 247 bought 247 they have gone to H*** in the 2018 class there were 6 4* commits but every one of them lost that 4th * the last one was DE Waggoner when they released their final rankings

in the 2019 these started out as 4* players
OL Miller #88 overall now has been dropped to #224
OL Endres #168 overall now #354
TE Lee #185 now 454 and a 3*.

they turned their ranking over to Scouts Truea. and he is always dropping Iowa recruits,
 
Kallenberg was 4* by ESPN and is listed as the backup at LT as a RSFR.

Jackson was rated a 5.5 3* and yet he started as a RSFR and was named a FR AA. and he came in weighing 285 lbs as a true FR. now he is listed at 320 lbs. Plump will not take 3 years to develop. he came in at 255 lbs add 35 lbs and he would be at 290 lbs at least by the end of his RSFR year,
 
redbull55 said:
ever since 247 bought 247 they have gone to H*** in the 2018 class there were 6 4* commits but every one of them lost that 4th * the last one was DE Waggoner when they released their final rankings

in the 2019 these started out as 4* players
OL Miller #88 overall now has been dropped to #224
OL Endres #168 overall now #354
TE Lee #185 now 454 and a 3*.

they turned their ranking over to Scouts Truea. and he is always dropping Iowa recruits,
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You're looking at two different rankings, 247 v 247 composite. The three you mentioned have stayed pretty steady in both sets of rankings.
 
redbull55 said:
ever since 247 bought 247 they have gone to H*** in the 2018 class there were 6 4* commits but every one of them lost that 4th * the last one was DE Waggoner when they released their final rankings

in the 2019 these started out as 4* players
OL Miller #88 overall now has been dropped to #224
OL Endres #168 overall now #354
TE Lee #185 now 454 and a 3*.

they turned their ranking over to Scouts Truea. and he is always dropping Iowa recruits,
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Those are composite rankings, brought down by too few resources devoted to the midwest by Rivals and ESPN. Below is Miller, in the top right you'll see his composite, which averages rankings from the three services. Circled in red in the bottom left is 247's own ranking, by far the highest of any service.

Miller

Endres is 4* #248 overall according to 247
Lee is 4* #271 overall according to 247
 
redbull55 said:
Kallenberg was 4* by ESPN and is listed as the backup at LT as a RSFR.

Jackson was rated a 5.5 3* and yet he started as a RSFR and was named a FR AA. and he came in weighing 285 lbs as a true FR. now he is listed at 320 lbs. Plump will not take 3 years to develop. he came in at 255 lbs add 35 lbs and he would be at 290 lbs at least by the end of his RSFR year,
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Dude you crack me up. Yes, Alaric Jackson, who played Tackle in Highschool and was comfortable carrying 285 as a senior in highschool was able to get up to 320 pounds and be a very good tackle. Jack Plumb, who didnt spend all of his time as a tackle, and was carrying 255 pounds as a highschool senior may not transition as easily with the added weight and position. Even if he gets to 290, which would involve him adding 35 pounds in 2 years, he would still be light for a tackle. Thus, if he gets a full 3 years to develop he will be in a great position. The programs that win consistently have less development players. (Read:more 5 stars) why do you think AJ was ready to step on the field as a true fresh? (He was physically ready and his athleticism was built for his body type) what KF has done well is polish more projects, but projects take time, which is where the injury thing comes in.

What is it exactly you are trying to say? That a program with more developmental type players is a good thing?
 
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redbull55 said:
Kallenberg was 4* by ESPN and is listed as the backup at LT as a RSFR.

Jackson was rated a 5.5 3* and yet he started as a RSFR and was named a FR AA. and he came in weighing 285 lbs as a true FR. now he is listed at 320 lbs. Plump will not take 3 years to develop. he came in at 255 lbs add 35 lbs and he would be at 290 lbs at least by the end of his RSFR year,
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Plumb will take time. Just because he’s big and has a good frame doesn’t mean he will add mass the same as Jackson did. Plumb also played Tight end a lot in high school he will have a learning curve and is being brought in as a project
 
Here is another way to think about it.
"We" have done REALLY well at QB recruitting as of late. If something happened to Nate, the season wouldnt be immediately F'd. We have not done so well at WR recruitting, though it has gotten better. If last season something would have happened to ISM and teams could have blanketed N.E. our recieving core would have been F'd.

Iowa is never going to be the program flush with ready made players, but getting those higher rated, more ready to play, players elevates some of the injury concerns. (And allows the high upside development guys the time to do it)
 
I did see something interesting that Goodson has a little bro Taylor Goodson plays DB/S 2020 class just got an offer form App state and saw he’s going to be visiting Iowa in July according to Twitter
 
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clayborn_94 said:
I did see something interesting that Goodson has a little bro Taylor Goodson plays DB/S 2020 class just got an offer form App state and saw he’s going to be visiting Iowa in July according to Twitter
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Visiting in July. Big bro committing somewhere in July...
 
Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll said:
Dude you crack me up. Yes, Alaric Jackson, who played Tackle in Highschool and was comfortable carrying 285 as a senior in highschool was able to get up to 320 pounds and be a very good tackle. Jack Plumb, who didnt spend all of his time as a tackle, and was carrying 255 pounds as a highschool senior may not transition as easily with the added weight and position. Even if he gets to 290, which would involve him adding 35 pounds in 2 years, he would still be light for a tackle. Thus, if he gets a full 3 years to develop he will be in a great position. The programs that win consistently have less development players. (Read:more 5 stars) why do you think AJ was ready to step on the field as a true fresh? (He was physically ready and his athleticism was built for his body type) what KF has done well is polish more projects, but projects take time, which is where the injury thing comes in.

What is it exactly you are trying to say? That a program with more developmental type players is a good thing?
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what I am saying is that Doyle has no problem putting 35 lbs on a player in 1 year. Plumb played the TE as a blocking TE basically giving his team 3 OT on the field at one time.
Plumb will be a RSFR when Jackson or Wirfs will be JR's and he won't be needed before they are gone,

Miller is a 6'6 310 lb 4* OT as a JR in HS. the OL that are being brought in are going to need 20-30 lbs now Plumb will be the rare exception and right now he provides depth to the OL.
 
what I am saying is that Doyle has no problem putting 35 lbs on a player in 1 year. (35 pounds in 1 year would be horribly unhealthy Jackson did it in 2) Plumb played the TE as a blocking TE basically giving his team 3 OT on the field at one time (major difference between blocking TE and tackle in the b10).
Plumb will be a RSFR when Jackson or Wirfs will be JR's and he won't be needed before they are gone, (which is why I said he will get at minimum 3 years before he sees the field)

Miller is a 6'6 310 lb 4* OT as a JR in HS. the OL that are being brought in are going to need 20-30 lbs now Plumb will be the rare exception and right now he provides depth to the OL. (Yes, depth that will get the time to grow)

I got u.
 
Too lazy to do any decent research, but Cole Croston is the only guy I can remember putting on 30+ lbs in their first year. And he started at like 235.

There may be a couple more, but the examples are few and far between.
 
StallmanCurse said:
Too lazy to do any decent research, but Cole Croston is the only guy I can remember putting on 30+ lbs in their first year. And he started at like 235.

There may be a couple more, but the examples are few and far between.
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I think Alaric Jackson put on 35 or so in his redshirt year granted he started at like 290+
 
StallmanCurse said:
Too lazy to do any decent research, but Cole Croston is the only guy I can remember putting on 30+ lbs in their first year. And he started at like 235.

There may be a couple more, but the examples are few and far between.
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Don’t have the exact numbers, but I think Karl Klug came in at around 210 and bulked up really quickly.
 
chaneccooms said:
Don’t have the exact numbers, but I think Karl Klug came in at around 210 and bulked up really quickly.
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Robert Gallery is probably in this category...along with a couple other linemen off the ‘02 team.

Mike Daniels is another.
 
DaCDiggity said:
I think Alaric Jackson put on 35 or so in his redshirt year granted he started at like 290+
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Thought I read an article awhile back ago that Alaric came in around 330+ and ended up losing weight his freshman year, similar to Carl Davis.
 
Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll said:
what I am saying is that Doyle has no problem putting 35 lbs on a player in 1 year. (35 pounds in 1 year would be horribly unhealthy Jackson did it in 2) Plumb played the TE as a blocking TE basically giving his team 3 OT on the field at one time (major difference between blocking TE and tackle in the b10).
Plumb will be a RSFR when Jackson or Wirfs will be JR's and he won't be needed before they are gone, (which is why I said he will get at minimum 3 years before he sees the field)

Miller is a 6'6 310 lb 4* OT as a JR in HS. the OL that are being brought in are going to need 20-30 lbs now Plumb will be the rare exception and right now he provides depth to the OL. (Yes, depth that will get the time to grow)

I got u.
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Kallenberger is slated to contribute as a slightly undersized RS FR in 2018. He's still physically developing ... but most indicators suggest that he's "in the plans" of the coaches on the OL. Riley Reiff contributed pretty well as an undersized RS FR in 2009. Where we might end up lacking in beef ... guys like him can make up with quickness, foot speed, and athleticism.

Plumb seems like he's a similar-type in terms of developmental curve. Right now he's likely in the mid to upper 250s (maybe a shade higher). Since he was a TE (and not a full-time OT) ... he likely was less-apt to pick up bad habits (that larger O-linemen often pick up). The "blank slate" variety of OL-recruits are often the guys who the Hawkeye coaches end up having the most success with. My bet is that Plumb might be ready to contribute AT LEAST as a RS SO ... maybe a little earlier.
 
I'm thinking we sent coaches to other teams and now we are going to play more players no matter their weight? So to me this means a player might not be as big or as good as the starter but still is going to get playing time so the starters aren't burned out by the end of a game or the end of the season...
 
David1979 said:
In general, the more higher rated recruits you get, the better your team potential but even when recruiting 4 and 5 stars who have to be able to evaluate talent and fit. In addition, while the percentage hit on the top 100 or so is pretty high, after that it gets to be more and more about evaluation and development. Remember that part of the ranking is how good they are at this moment and not what they will be in a few years. In addition, kids that get seen more and play on a bigger stage tend to get rated better than small state kids that aren't seen as much and aren't in front of scouts as much. Also, you will see some kids rated differently by different services. Just this year for example Miller and Endres are 4 stars on other sites and so is Lee but Rivals has them as 3 stars.

Also, no one is ever saying they wanted lower rated recruits over higher rated recruits. What people do say is that Iowa staff has a history with identifying under the radar talent and developing them into very good players.
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Well stated David, in a nutshell.......
 
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ghostOfHomer777 said:
Kallenberger is slated to contribute as a slightly undersized RS FR in 2018. He's still physically developing ... but most indicators suggest that he's "in the plans" of the coaches on the OL. Riley Reiff contributed pretty well as an undersized RS FR in 2009. Where we might end up lacking in beef ... guys like him can make up with quickness, foot speed, and athleticism.

Plumb seems like he's a similar-type in terms of developmental curve. Right now he's likely in the mid to upper 250s (maybe a shade higher). Since he was a TE (and not a full-time OT) ... he likely was less-apt to pick up bad habits (that larger O-linemen often pick up). The "blank slate" variety of OL-recruits are often the guys who the Hawkeye coaches end up having the most success with. My bet is that Plumb might be ready to contribute AT LEAST as a RS SO ... maybe a little earlier.
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The great thing about Plumb is the hip bend, overall flexibility which allows him to keep his pad level low. Plus he looks a little nasty to me. It's actually remarkable for a 6'8" kid. Everyone is right, there is no hurry. I can easily see him at 315-320 range his rssoph year. Great find by the staff.
 
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We need to get over automatically assuming guys are going to be here for 5 years. This will be A Jackson's third season. If he continues to develop, there is a very good chance he will be gone. OT is a position where teams reach during the first round every year. He may go in the first round with a third-round grade. He has the prototypical body for an NFL tackle.
 
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hawkeye1944 said:
I'm thinking we sent coaches to other teams and now we are going to play more players no matter their weight? So to me this means a player might not be as big or as good as the starter but still is going to get playing time so the starters aren't burned out by the end of a game or the end of the season...
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On the DL for sure. They visited Georgia and saw that.
 
millhawk said:
The great thing about Plumb is the hip bend, overall flexibility which allows him to keep his pad level low. Plus he looks a little nasty to me. It's actually remarkable for a 6'8" kid. Everyone is right, there is no hurry. I can easily see him at 315-320 range his rssoph year. Great find by the staff.
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Plumb reminds me a bit of Wisconsin's David Edwards. Edwards played QB and TE in high school ... and Iowa was the first program to offer him with the plan to have him play at OT. Wisconsin either copied the Hawks or recruited him at TE first.

I agree that Plumb seems to have a grest nasty streak to him. Furthermore, he grew up all around football ... and he was a pretty impressive basketball player ... so his athleticism and coordination is pretty excellent for a big guy.
 
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Boettger came in 6'5 220 lbs and started at RT at 6'6 305 lbs, so putting 60 lbs on Plumb shouldn't be that hard, the coach were going to play him at the TE but he grew and put on more weight than they expected.

S Colbert was to be a S but he too gained more weight than they expected and now is a LB'r.

players do strange thing once they get to college. it helps when they have access to weight training facilities like in college unlimited food at the training tables.
 
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ghostOfHomer777 said:
Plumb reminds me a bit of Wisconsin's David Edwards. Edwards played QB and TE in high school ... and Iowa was the first program to offer him with the plan to have him play at OT. Wisconsin either copied the Hawks or recruited him at TE first.

I agree that Plumb seems to have a grest nasty streak to him. Furthermore, he grew up all around football ... and he was a pretty impressive basketball player ... so his athleticism and coordination is pretty excellent for a big guy.
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Wisconsin sold him on being able to play TE. Edwards said he "didn't want to put all that weight on" his body. By his RSFR year, he's playing OT. Not that I'm bitter or anything, ha!

Shit, what's Brian Wallace up to these days? You've opened an old wound, Homer!
 
redbull55 said:
Boettger came in 6'5 220 lbs and started at RT at 6'6 305 lbs, so putting 60 lbs on Plumb shouldn't be that hard, the coach were going to play him at the TE but he grew and put on more weight than they expected.
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1) No one us doubting that Plumb can put on 60lbs. We're doubting he can do it in 2 years.
2) Boettger was always a likely OT. He "started" a game against Wisconsin as the 3rd OT, technically listed as TE, but that's it.
 
redbull55 said:
Boettger came in 6'5 220 lbs and started at RT at 6'6 305 lbs, so putting 60 lbs on Plumb shouldn't be that hard, the coach were going to play him at the TE but he grew and put on more weight than they expected.

S Colbert was to be a S but he too gained more weight than they expected and now is a LB'r.

players do strange thing once they get to college. it helps when they have access to weight training facilities like in college unlimited food at the training tables.
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Boettger came in more at 240 lbs ... and he pretty quickly outgrew the TE spot (although I think that was following exactly what the coaches expected would happen based on Ike's frame). As a RS FR, he had to come in and spell Scherff when Scherff's knee got dinged early in the season. As we all know, he then went on to start at RT as a RS SO.
 
StallmanCurse said:
1) No one us doubting that Plumb can put on 60lbs. We're doubting he can do it in 2 years.
2) Boettger was always a likely OT. He "started" a game against Wisconsin as the 3rd OT, technically listed as TE, but that's it.
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Boettger put on 80 in 2 years. but you have to remember that the weight listed is from his senior year in HS.

has the updated roster been released?
 
StallmanCurse said:
Wisconsin sold him on being able to play TE. Edwards said he "didn't want to put all that weight on" his body. By his RSFR year, he's playing OT. Not that I'm bitter or anything, ha!

Shit, what's Brian Wallace up to these days? You've opened an old wound, Homer!
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I hear ya man ... it's like picking scabs for me too.
 
Current Wake commit said he has talked to Goodson and Goodson said the Wake Forest is where he wants to be. Not sure how this jives with other info and surely hope its not reflective of Tyler's genuine sentiments.
 
Well shit thought Goodson was a lock.If thats the case do the coaches dare to pursue Brock again or has that ship sailed.If I was Brock I'd be like you dumped me get screwed
 
Wadzinator said:
Well shit thought Goodson was a lock.If thats the case do the coaches dare to pursue Brock again or has that ship sailed.If I was Brock I'd be like you dumped me get screwed
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Chances are if goodson wasn't a lock, Brock may have shown some shadiness or something
 
Pretty sure I read brocks mom wasn't happy with the coaches for backing off.Well the drama of recruiting continues Stay tuned right!!!!!
 
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