Yes.
I do know Priests that have done exorcists. I believe the dark side is real.
Do you accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior?
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Yes.
I do know Priests that have done exorcists. I believe the dark side is real.
ruelike-woahh, post: 3907166, member: 13728"]Yeah well, Catholic Priests are the child molesters of the Christian world, so.. PICK A SIDE[/QUOTE]
Not true, actually.
Protestant sects have had abusers, too. Only 4% of Catholic priests were accused of abuse. That's less than the average guy on the street.
Celibacy doesn't cause pedophilia. Think about it; if you were sentenced to life in prison, would that turn you into a pedo?
I doubt it.[/QUOTE]
So you're saying you're looking at statistics and evidence to influence your conclusions? Weird. PICK A SIDE
Not true, actually.
Protestant sects have had abusers, too. Only 4% of Catholic priests were accused of abuse. That's less than the average guy on the street.
Celibacy doesn't cause pedophilia. Think about it; if you were sentenced to life in prison, would that turn you into a pedo?
I doubt it.[/QUOTE]
So you're saying you're looking at statistics and evidence to influence your conclusions? Weird. PICK A SIDE
Not true, actually.
Protestant sects have had abusers, too. Only 4% of Catholic priests were accused of abuse. That's less than the average guy on the street.
Celibacy doesn't cause pedophilia. Think about it; if you were sentenced to life in prison, would that turn you into a pedo?
I doubt it.[/QUOTE]
So you're saying you're looking at statistics and evidence to influence your conclusions? Weird. PICK A SIDE[/QUOTE]
I thought I did pick a side
So you're saying you're looking at statistics and evidence to influence your conclusions? Weird. PICK A SIDE[/QUOTE]
I thought I did pick a side
[/QUOTE]Ok, passive aggressive smiley faces aside I'm going to try and explain this to you. I used an example in your own church where you had to use nuance and facts to defend their position.
You called me out for being a fence sitter when it comes to faith and that I should have to pick a side.
For you, A + B = C
A = I believe in a God
B= The Catholic Church
C= Result of my faith through the Catholic Church
A + B = C
Very simple.
Except the world is not that simple, it never is. There are a bajillion different variables between A and B that you seem to choose to ignore because what.... faith? My Evangelical brother doesn't recognize Catholics as actual Christians. He can't stand your dogma.
That is someone within your own religion that believes in Jesus Christ who doesn't recognize your denomination within the same ****ing religion.
So I do my best to research what we can logically conclude about the world about us and base my opinions on that. I'm fluid, if the evidence for things change then I change. I read religious texts through the lens of the societies that wrore them, and I adjust my opinions accordingly.
Oh but I have to "pick a side" when you can't even agree on anything within YOUR OWN ****ING RELIGION.
But I'm the fence sitting dickhead. Give me a break with your superfluous Catholic bullshit. Go cover up another molestation of children, it's what you do best.
PICK A SIDE.
I'm sorry I didn't mean to accuse you of anything. I think a simple no to the thread question was the only needed answer. When someone tries to denounce religion it is for their benefit not the believers.
I am not arguing. You can believe whatever you want. Unless I am wrong you were trying to convince someone religion was baseless. Once again I am not sure why you would concern yourself with someone's beliefs.
I thought I did pick a side
[/QUOTE]Ok, passive aggressive smiley faces aside I'm going to try and explain this to you. I used an example in your own church where you had to use nuance and facts to defend their position.
You called me out for being a fence sitter when it comes to faith and that I should have to pick a side.
For you, A + B = C
A = I believe in a God
B= The Catholic Church
C= Result of my faith through the Catholic Church
A + B = C
Very simple.
Except the world is not that simple, it never is. There are a bajillion different variables between A and B that you seem to choose to ignore because what.... faith? My Evangelical brother doesn't recognize Catholics as actual Christians. He can't stand your dogma.
That is someone within your own religion that believes in Jesus Christ who doesn't recognize your denomination within the same ****ing religion.
So I do my best to research what we can logically conclude about the world about us and base my opinions on that. I'm fluid, if the evidence for things change then I change. I read religious texts through the lens of the societies that wrore them, and I adjust my opinions accordingly.
Oh but I have to "pick a side" when you can't even agree on anything within YOUR OWN ****ING RELIGION.
But I'm the fence sitting dickhead. Give me a break with your superfluous Catholic bullshit. Go cover up another molestation of children, it's what you do best.
PICK A SIDE.[/QUOTE]
Haha, relax, brah. You're so pissed.
I stated that I consider agnostics to be fence sitters because they won't declare if they believe or disbelieve in God.
Believe or don't believe or whatever you want. It's 100% your prerogative.
Oh and most theologians would agree that your brother is a major ignoramus. But that's his choice.
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You must be an old school Britney fan, because oops you did it again. You claim not to accuse, while you accuse and you claim not to care while seeming to care a whole lot. Try getting honest with yourself.
The lib spin. I get it. Have a nice night.You must be an old school Britney fan, because oops you did it again. You claim not to accuse, while you accuse and you claim not to care while seeming to care a whole lot. Try getting honest with yourself.
No, it's entirely my own observation just about you, because I care. But I have no faith you get it yet. I plan to have a nice night, thank you. I hope you do the same.
That's another thing I love about organized religion; They cannot even agree on the same rhetoric, rules, rituals, interpretations, and observances even within the same CHURCH building! Then, when it spreads to a region, a denomination, then protestantism, then Christianity... you're all over the map, at that point. And, I've seen countless Southern Baptists who literally believed Catholics worshiped the Devil! It's amazing to me, when you have the SAME GUY as your "savior" and you can't even do what he begged you to do- Love all others as you would want to be loved (treated). Forgiveness above all else. And, Catholics burning people alive over challenging "the church's" version. Protestants killing Catholics. Sunni's killing Shia's. Never a dull moment.
Meanwhile, God doesn't care if there's religion or not.
Meanwhile, God doesn't care if there's religion or not.
I thought I did pick a side
Ok, passive aggressive smiley faces aside I'm going to try and explain this to you. I used an example in your own church where you had to use nuance and facts to defend their position.
You called me out for being a fence sitter when it comes to faith and that I should have to pick a side.
For you, A + B = C
A = I believe in a God
B= The Catholic Church
C= Result of my faith through the Catholic Church
A + B = C
Very simple.
Except the world is not that simple, it never is. There are a bajillion different variables between A and B that you seem to choose to ignore because what.... faith? My Evangelical brother doesn't recognize Catholics as actual Christians. He can't stand your dogma.
That is someone within your own religion that believes in Jesus Christ who doesn't recognize your denomination within the same ****ing religion.
So I do my best to research what we can logically conclude about the world about us and base my opinions on that. I'm fluid, if the evidence for things change then I change. I read religious texts through the lens of the societies that wrore them, and I adjust my opinions accordingly.
Oh but I have to "pick a side" when you can't even agree on anything within YOUR OWN ****ING RELIGION.
But I'm the fence sitting dickhead. Give me a break with your superfluous Catholic bullshit. Go cover up another molestation of children, it's what you do best.
PICK A SIDE.[/QUOTE]
Haha, relax, brah. You're so pissed.
I stated that I consider agnostics to be fence sitters because they won't declare if they believe or disbelieve in God.
Believe or don't believe or whatever you want. It's 100% your prerogative.
Oh and most theologians would agree that your brother is a major ignoramus. But that's his choice.[/QUOTE]
It's cool, keep supporting an organization that covered up child molestation. Believe or don't believe whatever you want, it's 100% your prerogative.
PICK A SIDE.
Haha, relax, brah. You're so pissed.
I stated that I consider agnostics to be fence sitters because they won't declare if they believe or disbelieve in God.
Believe or don't believe or whatever you want. It's 100% your prerogative.
Oh and most theologians would agree that your brother is a major ignoramus. But that's his choice.[/QUOTE]
It's cool, keep supporting an organization that covered up child molestation. Believe or don't believe whatever you want, it's 100% your prerogative.
PICK A SIDE.[/QUOTE]
Haha, relax, brah. You're so pissed.
I stated that I consider agnostics to be fence sitters because they won't declare if they believe or disbelieve in God.
Believe or don't believe or whatever you want. It's 100% your prerogative.
Oh and most theologians would agree that your brother is a major ignoramus. But that's his choice.[/QUOTE]
It's cool, keep supporting an organization that covered up child molestation. Believe or don't believe whatever you want, it's 100% your prerogative.
PICK A SIDE.[/QUOTE]
The Catholic church does as much charity and good in the world than almost any other organization.
You mad, bro?
It's cool, keep supporting an organization that covered up child molestation. Believe or don't believe whatever you want, it's 100% your prerogative.
PICK A SIDE.[/QUOTE]
Haha, relax, brah. You're so pissed.
I stated that I consider agnostics to be fence sitters because they won't declare if they believe or disbelieve in God.
Believe or don't believe or whatever you want. It's 100% your prerogative.
Oh and most theologians would agree that your brother is a major ignoramus. But that's his choice.[/QUOTE]
It's cool, keep supporting an organization that covered up child molestation. Believe or don't believe whatever you want, it's 100% your prerogative.
PICK A SIDE.[/QUOTE]
The Catholic church does as much charity and good in the world than almost any other organization.
You mad, bro?[/QUOTE]
So after this entire thread, and everything people have had to say. Your response is "You mad, bro?"
Absolutely it makes me mad, it should make you mad that an organization you're a part of covered up child molestation. That would make any normal and rational human being on this planet mad. Apparently it doesn't affect you because they've done "other good stuff."
PICK A SIDE
Wow - I have sort of been in the fence of this topic for years. This line just gave me some clarity.
Haha, relax, brah. You're so pissed.
I stated that I consider agnostics to be fence sitters because they won't declare if they believe or disbelieve in God.
Believe or don't believe or whatever you want. It's 100% your prerogative.
Oh and most theologians would agree that your brother is a major ignoramus. But that's his choice.[/QUOTE]
It's cool, keep supporting an organization that covered up child molestation. Believe or don't believe whatever you want, it's 100% your prerogative.
PICK A SIDE.[/QUOTE]
The Catholic church does as much charity and good in the world than almost any other organization.
You mad, bro?[/QUOTE]
So after this entire thread, and everything people have had to say. Your response is "You mad, bro?"
Absolutely it makes me mad, it should make you mad that an organization you're a part of covered up child molestation. That would make any normal and rational human being on this planet mad. Apparently it doesn't affect you because they've done "other good stuff."
PICK A SIDE[/QUOTE]
Are you drunk? You keep repeating your ignorance.
The abuse scandal that happened decades ago doesn't change the fact that the Catholic church is the largest charitable organization in the United States.
But I'm glad you finally found something to stand for. Perhaps you're no longer the fence sitting intellectual coward that you've always been?
No I'm not drunk, I'm not Catholic.
Also doesn't change the fact that they covered up child molestation.
Also doesn't change the fact that they covered up child molestation.
Would one of you please fix your deplorable use of the quote function. TiA.
That's why I didn't quote the last one, that might have been my fault when I changed a post earlier. That shit is a complete eye sore. I was having a hard time following the same thread that I'm invested in.
Not true, actually.
Protestant sects have had abusers, too. Only 4% of Catholic priests were accused of abuse. That's less than the average guy on the street.
Impossible to know the real % of pedo priests as the Catholic church has been involved in the active cover up for so long. I'm not suggesting that it's a crazy % like 50 or anything. Just saying that you can't possibly throw a number at it and expect to be taken seriously.
Protestant sects have had abusers, too. Only 4% of Catholic priests were accused of abuse. That's less than the average guy on the street.
Impossible to know the real % of pedo priests as the Catholic church has been involved in the active cover up for so long. I'm not suggesting that it's a crazy % like 50 or anything. Just saying that you can't possibly throw a number at it and expect to be taken seriously.
That's the thread topic, isn't it? To believe or not to believe?
Is that why you keep repeating yourself?
Anyways, come back and debate when you believe in something besides the Wu-Tang Clan...you bearded douche.
Fair points.
I still believe it happens much more often in schools, for example, than in the Church. But that is no excuse. The vast majority of the abuse took place before 1970; America had a different culture. Abuse was swept under the rug, both in religious institutions and secular society. It was not taken as seriously as it is today.
Sexual abuse happens in every part of society, unfortunately. It's not like the Catholic Church was a hot bed of it, according to the John Jay Report.
http://www.newsweek.com/priests-commit-no-more-abuse-other-males-70625
The pedo Priests were acting in complete opposition to Church teachings from the past 2,000 years. May they burn in hell forever.
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No doubt. I'm not a Catholic Priest/religion basher. One of my uncles was a priest. Great guy. Great sense of humor. He would tell us Catholic priest jokes when he came to visit for the holidays.
Oh c'mon. Yeah it somehow stopped after 1970, give me a break. The pedo priests acted in opposition of "The Church" yet "The Church" covered up and absorbed their crimes for those same 2,000 years. Only we aren't idiots anymore and can nail them to the cross, pun intended, for their shit.
So who is worse, the pedo's, or the enablers who allowed the pedo's to keep functioning in society while also preaching about their "goodness".
Keep the tithes coming in so we can live in our Golden City. The Catholic Church is a business, it's why they've adjusted their social viewpoints to align with modern Western values. Smart business decision on their part, but complete bullshit from the spiritual one.
You are so uneducated on this subject, you Agnostic fence sitter.
The Catholic Church is not a business, again, it's the #1 charitable organization in our country. That's a fact.
The vast majority of Priests, Nuns and Bishops are better people than you are.
Keep sniping from the fence...all you believe in is Wu-Tang.
I grew up in the Catholic Church, and you know what here it is, I don't talk about this but whatever. I was molested as a young man by a Catholic Priest. AKA, "Father"
And that **** fled to Oregon and there is no justice for me because of the organization that is the Catholic Church. So **** off about your perceptions of me and what I've been through.
1970 doesn't mean crap to me because I was born in '85 and got abused by an organization that has covered this shit up thousands of times since then. The stories are endless.
The vast majority of Priests, Nuns, and Bishops are better than me? **** right off with that shit.
Now you know why I'm "mad bro." Because they ****ing aren't. They are people, simple as that and they are capable of inhumane shit. The difference is they hide their flaws behind the Catholic Church and they were more than capable of protecting them to save face. Yeah, shove them off to another Parish. They're just confused, demons are influencing their thoughts.
Cool, the Catholic Church has dropped some cash, good for them. Doesn't ****ing help me or the thousands of others who have been taken advantage of as children and then covered up so I can get no justice.
Enjoy being a part of that shit organization.
It's fine, it really is and I kind of flew off the handle there because it is a sensitive subject for me (obviously). I apologize for that.
Piety and perceived Piety drives me nuts. God, to me, is an esoteric concept and when people with a literal interpretation of what is and what is not come at me with their perceptions, well.. I get a bit annoyed.
I've dealt with the ramifications of organized religion and what it turns people into. Maybe that isn't exactly a true statement, those people are who they are, except they found an avenue to keep hurting people with an umbrella over their heads. In my case, it's "The Church."
I don't claim to be atheist, agnostic, or whatever. Labels are division, and labels tend to make people pick a side and defend the indefensible.
I don't take part in that. I try my best to address every issue on its own merit, within the society that I was born into. That's all I can do.
Fair enough.
I just hope people remember that pedos are everywhere, not just in the Catholic Church. It's terrible, but true.
@BrianNole09 , I totally support you in your spiritual journey. I also pray you do not get all judgmental like so many christians. Don't succumb to the pressure from those false "christians" who try to scare you into sending them money.
