Anybody who knows anything about polygraphs knows they’re about as accurate as his horoscope.
Dubuque sheriff's department hires new deputy previously arrested for sexual assault
- Thread starter jberesford
- Start date
You said this:
And I'm simply telling you that just because he passed a polygraph means nothing. Cops are generally pretty good liars.
You just going to gloss over the fact that she was unconscious and woke up to him sexually assaulting her?
I would be fine with putting every guy who does that in prison.
- Sep 13, 2002
- 100,370
- 212,472
- 113
The other crazy thing about defending this guy is that in Iowa you can FIRE someone who is an at-will employee for any reason. If you don't like their clothing style, you can fire them and there is nothing to prevent it.
Yet we have a guy in here arguing that drug use, past arrests, underage drinking should NOT be disqualfying for merely hiring someone to ENFORCE LAWS.
Just nutz, but BAU for HBOT.
Yet we have a guy in here arguing that drug use, past arrests, underage drinking should NOT be disqualfying for merely hiring someone to ENFORCE LAWS.
Just nutz, but BAU for HBOT.
What if she agreed later that she made it up? You don’t know. He apparently has lived a clean life since. I don’t see how we can condemn someone based on a charge.
And I was in charge of hiring. I run background checks on students all the time. Am I supposed to kick every student out of paramedic school because they were charged with a crime? We have women in pretty vulnerable positions as well
In a story I just heard it appears she has recanted her claims against him.
So 17 apparently had sex with a 16 year old. That isn’t a crime. Giving her an intoxicant, including NyQuil would be. She said he did, he said he didn’t. He wasn’t convicted.
- Sep 13, 2002
- 100,370
- 212,472
- 113
LOL fine. you hire the little creep.
I sure as shit wouldn't.
Hiring isn't a court - you go by your gut and pick people you feel would be helpful, accountable members of a team.
You really want this dude on your team?
Again, then charge him and convict him. Charge him and convict him. I want people who do those things off the streets. CHARGE HIM AMD CONVICT HIM THEN. Why are we condemning people and persecuting people when the crime can’t be proven. What’s next, oh the cops showed up at his house, let’s shun him completely.
FFS. Grow up. You don’t think cops drank underage, smoked a joint, did all kinds of crazy stuff when they were younger? Don’t be naive. And police officers do not serve at will in Iowa. He wasn’t officially past probation but let’s be clear they are not at will.
If this is true do all of you feel like pieces of shit for calling this guy out. If this is true does your rush to judgement hurt a little bit? Do you feel a little worse about yourself?
From Torbee's link in post #9 it says he was 16 at the time of the incident.
I think you have some sort of weird delusion that you think the justice system in this country is equitable.
It might not be fair, but 99% of the time I will assume that charges dropped against a white male with a parent in a position of power is guilty.
- Sep 13, 2002
- 100,370
- 212,472
- 113
He also has an open container/pub intox conviction: https://www.iowacourts.state.ia.us/ESAWebApp/TIndexFrm
I didn’t interview him. I didn’t hire him. It’s not my department. I have no idea if I’d hire him or not. I do know I wouldn’t rely on an old criminal charge to make that judgement for him. I certainly wouldn’t judge him as a "creep" just because he has an old charge.
I DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. Investigate it. Do your due process. If he’s the best candidate hire him.
Well by all means feel free to judge your fellow man based off incomplete evidence.
He gone
Dubuque County deputy resigns after widespread complaints over past sex abuse charge
A man hired as a Dubuque County sheriff’s deputy has resigned after an old sex abuse case in which he was never convicted caused community outrage.www.desmoinesregister.com
For a WH job, Amirite?
Of course I will. We all do this hundreds or thousands of times every single day. Usually without thinking about it.
So you’re saying if it comes out that she said it didn’t happen, you’re still ok with him being disqualified for a position he is otherwise disqualified for? You’d be ok with that.
- Sep 13, 2002
- 100,370
- 212,472
- 113
You are aware he filed a lawsuit saying he was wrongly charged and it was dismissed, right?
This is a very obvious case of "where there's smoke, there is fire"
He has been busted for underage drinking, open container, giving a minor alcohol, drinking underage and is alleged to have given a 16-year old girl a NyQuil-spiked drink and having sex with her.
And you think it's "unfair" that he isn't GIVEN a job. Note, not FIRED from a job, just not given one.
GTFO
- Sep 13, 2002
- 100,370
- 212,472
- 113
If your "best" candidate for a police officer job is a nepo baby with a litany of former drinking, drug and assault charges, you are doing it wrong.
Full stop.
Yes. He shouldn't even be hired because his father is a county supervisor and his brother is already a cop.
Talk about potential problems...
Even Ferentz and McCaffery would say...no, that's too much. You can't hire all your kids.
So he can be an officer in Davenport? Or is the nepotism only an excuse?
- Sep 13, 2002
- 100,370
- 212,472
- 113
I know the police chief in Davenport.
He absolutely would not hire this person.
Nobody is saying this guy should be denied employment everywhere, but there should be certain standards for law enforcement.
Would I want this guy serving in my community? No.
Would I want this guy serving in my community? No.
I would bet he would never be hired in Davenport. He was hired because of his family and local connections. Who were willing to ignore the red flags. He should go apply in Davenport...see how that goes.
It was dismissed due to immunity issues. You can admit it. That’s fine. You’re judging him based solely off the charge. You don’t want to have trials. You want people to be convicted in the court of public opinion. Let’s just judge everyone based off what the newspaper says.
There are thousands of police officers out there with alcohol arrests. Thousands. That’s what he’s been convicted of.
- Sep 13, 2002
- 100,370
- 212,472
- 113
You are embarassing yourself at this point.
This is about a hiring decision.
I have chosen not to hire someone based on bad vibes or just not trusting them. If someone comes in with a background of booze and assault and drug arrests, their name goes directly on the NOPE file, period the end.
If you aren't just playing devils advocate and truly are tasked with selecting candidates to be future paramedics, I have grave concerns.
Yes. It’s job-dependent; but for a law-enforcement officer, I think it’s obvious he has a history of poor decision-making. I would like to think that would disqualify him for this position even without a conviction.
If he wants to go work for the DMV or drive a snowplow for the county or something… go for it.
Can you imagine the liability Dubuque was facing if this guy had been later caught abusing his power as a cop?
- Sep 13, 2002
- 100,370
- 212,472
- 113
Another fantastic point.
It would be wildly irresponsible to bring someone with this background in, particularly if you are arming them and sending them out to enforce the law.
