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Eierman Arrested

The deletion of 33,000 emails and destroyed blackberries will help with that. Her little black insiders book probably didn't hurt either. I don't suppose you remember her famous quote - "if that bastard gets in we're all going to hang?" There were reasons for that fear. Your hate of one man has led you to ignore the crimes and corruption that goes on daily. It's enabling the culture.
well...he got in. and yet no one hanged.

trump's hand picked AG and FBI head (who are now, I'm sure, all considered leftist marxists) reached the same conclusions...no charges
 
this is hard to take seriously...

do you really think there weren't any fires, windows broken or beatings on Jan 6?

as for what 'many people think'...i'm sure some think the election was stolen (they've been told so repeatedly, some are going to eat it up)...some also think there are crab people that live in the center of the earth that control everything

and there's an equal amount of proof for each of those...
People died.
 
well...he got in. and yet no one hanged.

trump's hand picked AG and FBI head (who are now, I'm sure, all considered leftist marxists) reached the same conclusions...no charges

I never said he was a "victim". Hell I have made it pretty clear I DO NOT think he is in any way, shape or form a remotely good guy. I even made it crystal clear that I don't want him to be the Republican nominee. However, none of that has to do with whether or not I believe there is clear evidence to convict him of a felony let alone the nearly 100 he is now being charged with...

I simply believe that a good legal team could make mince meat of the felony charges. Now, that doesn't mean I don't think some misdemeanors will/would stick. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if multiple plea deals occur where that is exactly what he pleads guilty to. But, I just don't see a preponderence of evidence, let alone beyond any reasonable doubt to make any major charges stick
The entire plan is for Trump to be quickly convicted prior to the election. That is why each indictment is in a jurisdiction where it can be done so. Now they will even get that mug shot since the Georgia case is not federal. There is absolutely zero concern that the conviction will be over turned on appeal, assuming it even gets to that point. Call this a conspiracy theory all you want.
 
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The entire plan is for Trump to be quickly convicted prior to the election. That is why each indictment is in a jurisdiction where it can be done so. Now they will even get that mug shot since the Georgia case is not federal. There is absolutely zero concern that the conviction will be over turned on appeal, assuming it even gets to that point. Call this a conspiracy theory all you want.
Did you mean to quote me? I am not sure how that reply has anything to do with what I said. I was never speaking to the intent or any organized plans regarding the indictments. Even then, a jury trial is something there is no way in hell any of the alleged "conspirators" could predict.

On top of that, I simply do NOT see how you could even get an impartial jury to hear this case. Trump is so polarizing, picking the panel would have to be BRUTAL for both sides...
 
The entire plan is for Trump to be quickly convicted prior to the election. That is why each indictment is in a jurisdiction where it can be done so. Now they will even get that mug shot since the Georgia case is not federal. There is absolutely zero concern that the conviction will be over turned on appeal, assuming it even gets to that point. Call this a conspiracy theory all you want.
and i don't know why you quoted me because i was responding to your "but her emails!!!" comment

but since you seem to have inside information...how long should this kind of process take? all the election stuff happened about 30 months ago. and you're saying it should - in an ideal world - take even longer than that?
 
I don't have an issue with what you said here. "Responsible" may be a bit of a grey area if you were to try to add the word directly in front of it. However, responsible does NOT mean he led it. To be convicted of the crimes he now stands accused, I just don't see how you can prove he actually led them in a clear, inarguable way...

I definitely think Trump and his legal team know full well how to operate in the gray area to deflect legal accountability and he has no lack of people willing to fall in the sword if something does stick. He was counseled Pence didn't have any other authority than to count votes. The man sent a mob down to the capital that was definitely look for and D and Pence.
 
I never said he was a "victim". Hell I have made it pretty clear I DO NOT think he is in any way, shape or form a remotely good guy. I even made it crystal clear that I don't want him to be the Republican nominee. However, none of that has to do with whether or not I believe there is clear evidence to convict him of a felony let alone the nearly 100 he is now being charged with...

I simply believe that a good legal team could make mince meat of the felony charges. Now, that doesn't mean I don't think some misdemeanors will/would stick. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if multiple plea deals occur where that is exactly what he pleads guilty to. But, I just don't see a preponderence of evidence, let alone beyond any reasonable doubt to make any major charges stick
Trump recently said at the Iowa State Fair, very clearly, he will not take any plea deals. Not that this matters at all but he was definitely the most popular republican presidential candidate at the Iowa State Fair.
 
Trump recently said at the Iowa State Fair, very clearly, he will not take any plea deals. Not that this matters at all but he was definitely the most popular republican presidential candidate at the Iowa State Fair.
That is all fine and good. But, when the rubber hits the road, a lot of "deals" become much more palatable, let alone flat out compelling.

Granted, he is so stubborn I could see him sticking to this, even to his own detriment. But, I would think the right deals with basically no punishments would be very hard to overlook...
 
God allows all to exist, all are without excuse, and all will be judged. Allowing it is not approving it.

Man does not have a free will. Only Adam and Eve had a free will to do good or evil and they failed miserably. Man today has a sinful nature that they inherited from Adam. You CANNOT give me a single verse that says man has a free will.
John 8:36. “So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.”

Excerpt from The Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church asserts that "Freedom is the power, rooted in reason and will". It goes on to say that "God created man a rational being, conferring on him the dignity of a person who can initiate and control his own actions.

St. Augustine says," . . . we assert both that God knows all things before they come to pass, and that we do by our free will whatsoever we know and feel to be done by us only because we will it."
 
That is all fine and good. But, when the rubber hits the road, a lot of "deals" become much more palatable, let alone flat out compelling.

Granted, he is so stubborn I could see him sticking to this, even to his own detriment. But, I would think the right deals with basically no punishments would be very hard to overlook...
Do innocent people take plea deals??
 
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Everything the Democrats have done as their back plans to get rid of trump while he was in office, starting before day one, have now been proven scams, planned and paid for by them and Clinton’s campaign specifically. There is a distinct pattern here that is obvious, but I guess some people are in denial or just refuse to watch or listen to anything that goes against what they want to be true.
 
Speaking of Jan 6, why was prosecution so different for Ray Epps and John Sullivan compared to others that day??
 
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Everything the Democrats have done as their back plans to get rid of trump while he was in office, starting before day one, have now been proven scams, planned and paid for by them and Clinton’s campaign specifically. There is a distinct pattern here that is obvious, but I guess some people are in denial or just refuse to watch or listen to anything that goes against what they want to be true.
yes, +Eirman should not have done what he did to get arrested, but.....he does not deserve to have his name over posts and posts about other persons-' p*olitics. Stop it!
 
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$100 to the wrestling charity of choice.
  • I will take Trump with at least one felony conviction.
  • You have Trump with 0 felony convictions.
Do we have a wager?

Trying to milk something positive out of this thread.
Lol. A for effort. But, you gotta give me odds for this one. Considering there are over 90 felony charges now, it is only fair I get at least 10-1.

I give $10 if I lose and you give $100? if you want to make my end $100, I will drop the odds to 5-1 for you. I give $100 and you give $500.

I would think that is more than fair....
 
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yes, +Eirman should not have done what he did to get arrested, but.....he does not deserve to have his name over posts and posts about other persons-' p*olitics. Stop it!
Here I thought the whole strategy was to BS post off topic in this thread, so a mod would lock and purge it (thereby expunging Eierman). 🤔

Silly me.
 
Lol. A for effort. But, you gotta give me odds for this one. Considering there are over 90 felony charges now, it is only fair I get at least 10-1.

I give $10 if I lose and you give $100? if you want to make my end $100, I will drop the odds to 5-1 for you. I give $100 and you give $500.

I would think that is more than fair....
Weak sauce response... you write about 10 times something like everything you read about... , legal defense easy... , jury hangup likely... . All after initially stating you didn't plan to engage this topic.

Meanwhile I didn't spend one word pontificating ad nauseum on likelihoods of convictions or types.

Now you want odds. What a joke.

Nope straight up $ where mouth was or nothing.
 
Weak sauce response... you write about 10 times something like everything you read about... , legal defense easy... , jury hangup likely... . All after initially stating you didn't plan to engage this topic.

Meanwhile I didn't spend one word pontificating ad nauseum on likelihoods of convictions or types.

Now you want odds. What a joke.

Nope straight up $ where mouth was or nothing.
Blah, blah, blah. You want to encourage a bet where the odds are overwhelmingly in your favor do so with integrity. The odds I gave you do not even remotely represent the circumstances. 90-1 would actually be much closer.

I am very confident in my stance. However, I admittedly don't care much for you or the way you have often followed me around. If you want to go down this road I counteroffered. If you don't like it, too bad...

Also, feel free to pontificate all you want. That is what this board is for during the off season!

Editted to add: I said I wasn't going to engage in the POLITICS part of this topic and I HAVE NOT. I solely engaged the likelihood of a felony conviction.
 
I get that you hate Trump. Admittedly, I am not a big fan. But, you keep spouting the “felony charges” like any of them are actually going to stick.

Hell, many of the most left leaning legal analysts had a hard time justifying felony charges in the indictments, let alone trying to prove the burden in open court.
If you expect felony convictions, you are going to be very disappointed….
That depends on where they are able to try him. If it’s DC, NYC, or the county Atlanta is in, he will get convicted no matter what the law says, or lack of good evidence they have. This isn’t about the law or constitution, this bare knuckle politics baby, and no one does it better than the Marxist who have overtaken the democrat party. I do admire the way they stick together no matter what, and they are great fighters and never tire of it. That’s why they hate trump, he has some of the same personality traits as they do, but is fighting for the opposite form of government they. Someone with big balls but not on their side scares the hell out of them.
 
Blah, blah, blah. You want to encourage a bet where the odds are overwhelmingly in your favor do so with integrity. The odds I gave you do not even remotely represent the circumstances. 90-1 would actually be much closer.

I am very confident in my stance. However, I admittedly don't care much for you or the way you have often followed me around. If you want to go down this road I counteroffered. If you don't like it, too bad...

Also, feel free to pontificate all you want. That is what this board is for during the off season!

Editted to add: I said I wasn't going to engage in the POLITICS part of this topic and I HAVE NOT. I solely engaged the likelihood of a felony conviction.
You should be giving me lower odds per February line

Donald Trump Betting Specials: Bookies make it 6/1 that Trump is sentenced to PRISON in 2023 with criminal charges still up in the air!​

 
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You should be giving me 6:1 odds per February line

Donald Trump Betting Specials: Bookies make it 6/1 that Trump is sentenced to PRISON in 2023 with criminal charges still up in the air!​

Welp, I offered you 5-1. So, I am still giving you a deal! You in?
 
I think you have it backwards. I bet $100 to win $600 per bookies.
Nope, I have it right where I want it to be. You have 90+ charges and only need to hit on 1. In February, there weren't even this many charges. For the last time, my counteroffer is my $10 to your $100 and/or my $100 to your $500.

Hell, I am even willing to go my $200 to your $800.....In or out?
 
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Nope, I have it right where I want it to be. You have 90+ charges and only need to hit on 1. In February, there weren't even this many charges. For the last time, my counteroffer is my $10 to your $100 and/or my $100 to your $500.

Hell, I am even willing to go my $200 to your $800.....In or out?
The bookie line says irrespective of uncertainty of additional charges. Your proposal is 30x worse than I can get elsewhere.
 
and i don't know why you quoted me because i was responding to your "but her emails!!!" comment

but since you seem to have inside information...how long should this kind of process take? all the election stuff happened about 30 months ago. and you're saying it should - in an ideal world - take even longer than that?
Quoting you was not intended. My so called inside information is simply paying attention to what is being done to a political opponent. Election interference at its finest. And I have no idea what you are talking about with "election stuff." If you are talking about the timing of the indictments, simply look at what was happening to the current President/son right about at those times. Just remember - Democrats started this so don't complain when Republicans get their pound of flesh.

I for one do not want Trump to run again. I am tired of the chaos surrounding him. Some of it his fault and some of it manufactured. Just one time I would like to hear the same about the current occupant in the Oval Office.
 
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That depends on where they are able to try him. If it’s DC, NYC, or the county Atlanta is in, he will get convicted no matter what the law says, or lack of good evidence they have. This isn’t about the law or constitution, this bare knuckle politics baby, and no one does it better than the Marxist who have overtaken the democrat party. I do admire the way they stick together no matter what, and they are great fighters and never tire of it. That’s why they hate trump, he has some of the same personality traits as they do, but is fighting for the opposite form of government they. Someone with big balls but not on their side scares the hell out of them.
Bingo!
 
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for one do not want Trump to run again. I am tired of the chaos surrounding him. Some of it his fault and some of it manufactured. Just one time I would like to hear the same about the current occupant in the Oval Office.
I will agree with you here - I don't want Biden to run again (I never wanted him to run in the first place), as all of the drama surrounding him and his family is just exhausting
 
The bookie line says irrespective of uncertainty of additional charges. Your proposal is 30x worse than I can get elsewhere.
I would NEVER offer a betting line from 6 months ago. Here is the current betus link: https://www.betus.com.pa/sportsbook/politics/futures/donald-trump/specials/

Two of the 3 different indictments do not even offer ZERO convictions. One is under 10 and the other is under 5. When you combine the 3, my odds are considerably worse than yours.

Again, I will not budge. Its up to you to take my offer or go pound sand. Admittedly, you can choose to do both....

Edit: Mind you those do not specifically address the felony counts....
 
I would NEVER offer a betting line from 6
Exactly, you'd just make something up from whole clothe. At least I found a relevant one (quick search).
Mind you those do not specifically address the felony counts
Exactly, so a felony conviction is harder, no? So the odds should be more favorable to me. At least mine was more relevant: a conviction producing jail time irrespective of the number of future charges.

I will see whether I can find more up to date relevant odds.
 
Overthrow with what exactly? I don't remember any tanks or military being part of this. I don't even remember any of those who entered the capitol building having a gun? Should they have been charged with trespassing and disorderly conduct - absolutely. But the concept the government was going to be overthrown is simply ridiculous.
Not all should be charged with trespassing, because the video was finally released showing the capital police letting many in and most were walking around quietly and peacefully. The guy who became the face of that day was given a tour of the capital by the police 😂😂. AOC lied through her teeth about some of them trying to break down her door and kill her. The only felony that day was the rogue capital cop who shot and killed a small unarmed woman who wasn’t an imminent threat to him or anybody else. Instead of being tossed in prison like the cop with George Floyd, he was given a metal. An there is that little fact that trump offer pelosi thousands of armed national guard to protect the capitol that day, and she declined, because they wanted it to happen, to further get people’s minds off the cheated election.
 
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