It's EASIER and CHEAPER.correcting someone who said that replacing an EV battery is no different than replacing an engine in an ICE vehicle.
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It's EASIER and CHEAPER.correcting someone who said that replacing an EV battery is no different than replacing an engine in an ICE vehicle.
Costs were "the point".If fueling an ICE vehicle was the subject at hand then that would be a good point.
When did brakes become part of the engine?And you never replaced any serpentine belts on your vehicles, despite 50k-80k being typical.
Water pumps, radiators.
Timing belts and 02 sensors, which are scheduled maintenance at 80k-100k max
Battery, which usually gets replaced at least every 5 yrs
Never any alternator go out (also unusual for them to run much over 5-7 years w/o replacement)
Never swapped out oil or fuel filters, either.
Wonder how your brakes worked w/o new pads or rotors over 10+ years.
You have "magic" cars, bro.
You’re rolling baby. And I love it.I’m all over the place. There are tens of millions of me. I’m white. And I’m proud. My wife owns pillows that say “home” and similar porch signs and fine art that she bought at hobby lobby, and it has a red white and blue theme. And I attend stop the steal rallies and I go to my evangelical church every Sunday where the preacher calls liberals “demonic”. And i never once read in the Bible that the earth wasn’t our individual “bounty” from god to be harvested and exploited and over which we have Dominion. Or that we should treat non believers or demonic forces with anything but gods terrible swift sword.
come to my church and we will make our battle plan!
So what you’re saying is @abby97 is full of shit like usual?Yep
Sounds like rightwinger/fossil fuel industry propaganda.
Most EV batteries will last for 300k miles, or longer. Equal to needing a full engine rebuild for most autos, with nowhere near the cost for maintenance over that period.
And battery tech will continue to get cheaper; as EVs age, you will see 3rd party industries setting up to replace/upgrade the batteries for a fraction of what they cost originally.
When they recharge an EV battery, reducing the wear on pads and rotors, substantially.When did brakes become part of the engine?
LOLWUT?Dude, you still have about $50,000 to go in order to justify your earlier claim.
You claimed it “EASILY” costs $14,000 in engine maintenance and repairs to drive a gas vehicle 150K to 200K miles.LOLWUT?
You're well over 50% off your original "cost" claim. I'm sure there's more, because you don't seem to "remember" very well here.
You claimed it “EASILY” costs $14,000 in engine maintenance and repairs to drive a gas vehicle 150K to 200K miles.
You posted a link that says if you drive a Mercedes-Benz, Jaguar, Land Rover, Porsche, or BMW for 10 years then you will spend more than $14,000 in total vehicle maintenance and repairs. That assumes that you pay a mechanic to do absolutely every little thing and it doesn't differentiate between engine-related maintenance and repairs (which is the topic at hand) and non-engine-related maintenance and repairs, such as steering and suspension and tires and heating and air conditioning systems.And I've posted a link for you that substantiates that, for MANY luxury autos which are comparable in performance to a Tesla.
You posted a link that says if you drive a Mercedes-Benz, Jaguar, Land Rover, Porsche, or BMW for 10 years then you will spend more than $14,000 in total vehicle maintenance and repairs.
See, here's the thing - we weren't discussing any of those five vehicles makes and we were discussing only engine-related maintenance and repairs, not total vehicle maintenance and repairs.Yep.
Not everyone lives in Texas or California.Grid Problem
Charging Delays when traveling
They need to get a lot figured out in the next 8 years!
Hopefully now, you can see that the original post is a bunch of nonsense, and that it IS more expensive to maintain any ICE vehicle than an EV over the long haul.See, here's the thing - we weren't discussing any of those five vehicles makes and we were discussing only engine-related maintenance and repairs, not total vehicle maintenance and repairs.
Hopefully now you can finally see where you went wrong.
Lol. You haven't even come close to substantiating that claim.Hopefully now, you can see that the original post is a bunch of nonsense, and that it IS more expensive to maintain any ICE vehicle than an EV over the long haul.
#Can'tReadLinksLol. You haven't even come close to substantiating that claim.
it IS more expensive to maintain any ICE vehicle than an EV over the long haul.
Your link showed that five high performance luxury vehicle makes are expensive to maintain. These are brands that most Americans will never own.#Can'tReadLinks
Which are comparable to the EVs people are talking about.Your link showed that five high performance luxury vehicle makes are expensive to maintain.
You’re moving goalposts again and tripping over yourself in the process.Which are comparable to the EVs people are talking about.
And those are the ones that exceed the already highly inflated $$ posted, which we've already shown you is complete BS.
It's troubling that you cannot admit EVs are cheaper to maintain than ICE vehicles. Because that is the reality.
It’s entirely possible that EVs are cheaper on average to maintain than ICE vehicles.
The number quoted was $14K, not $15K. But it doesn’t really matter because it’s not a fallacy unless you mean in the sense that they’re actually more expensive. Tesla batteries can cost as much as $20,000.It's not "entirely possible"
It is being demonstrated for you. Along with the fallacy that battery replacements cost $15000
I drive a huge pick up truck that I got a big tax break on because I created a business for the sole purpose of getting tax breaks (F*ck Government and screw paying taxes), I don’t actually use that pick up truck to haul anything, but I just think it makes me look really tough. It gets really shitty gas mileage but I get enough farm subsidies that I don’t really have to work. And I inherited this land from my parents and grandparents and great great grandparents, but I still tell people I work really hard for my money. I also had a friend to modify the carburetor so that I can coal roll all the dipshit antifa gheys who drive electric vehicles. And anyone who disagrees with me. And I have stickers on the back they remind everyone how patriotic I am. And how much I love my guns. And the Bible.
Not to mention the uncomfortable reality of having to use coal/gas/diesel to produce the electricity to charge EV’s.There's the environmental issues around producing batteries, and disposing them.
https://www.wired.com/story/cars-going-electric-what-happens-used-batteries/
LOTS of people use their own solar to charge their EVs.Not to mention the uncomfortable reality of having to use coal/gas/diesel to produce the electricity to charge EV’s.
‘Green’ energy, though.
You're getting dumber with each new identity. Lol.LOTS of people! There are dozens of them. Lol.
Actually, thousands.LOTS of people! There are dozens of them. Lol.
LOTS of people use their own solar to charge their EVs. And with more and more wind energy coming online, there's ample green energy to charge them.
I guess it depends on just how many EV's "them" is...
Soon millions of EV owners will be towing trailers with solar panels or mini windmills
Exactly. There was a time, 40 or 50 years ago, when 100K miles was considered the death knell for ICEs. But with advances in machining tolerances and improvements in oil formulations, ICEs can easily last half a million miles if you’re even moderately diligent about changing oil and engine coolant. It’s not unusual for the frame to rust out before the engine fails.
Just as ICE have benefited from technological innovation ... so are EVs. Battery and battery-interface technologies are continuously evolving. Given the era of renewables - there is a coinciding need for electric energy storage. While folks over-emphasize Tesla's cars ... the REAL vision had by Tesla was the development of a electric infrastructure. Tesla sells solar-cells with electric-storage units (batteries) ... with the intent of decentralizing the power grid (and making it less dependent on production-on-demand).I change my oil every 7-10K miles, so I used 100 oil changes for my calculations at $35 each. That’s $3500 and the rest of the parts probably added up to about $1500. That’s well below the $14,000 JP claimed one would need to spend on maintenance.
And again, that’s over a period of 22 years and 780,000 miles. How many EV batteries would need to be replaced in a period of 22 years and 780,000 miles?
Probably meant facetiously ... but the caveat here with solar-panels is insufficient surface area and consistent sun (unless you're in southwest). The caveat of most windmill/turbine technology on a moving vehicle is the resulting turbulent eddies formed (i.e. causing "dead air"). This generates larger pressure differences, increasing drag. For a car - one of the main things you're energetically combating is drag.Soon millions of EV owners will be towing trailers with solar panels or mini windmills, charging their batteries as they drive and making charging stations a thing of the past.
Green Revolution.
Just as ICE have benefited from technological innovation ... so are EVs. Battery and battery-interface technologies are continuously evolving. Given the era of renewables - there is a coinciding need for electric energy storage. While folks over-emphasize Tesla's cars ... the REAL vision had by Tesla was the development of a electric infrastructure. Tesla sells solar-cells with electric-storage units (batteries) ... with the intent of decentralizing the power grid (and making it less dependent on production-on-demand).
As a flavor of the sort of developments in battery technology ...
Four-million-mile battery is now a reality
Dahn, a world-renowned battery scientist and NSERC/Tesla Canada Chair, presented the exciting news during his keynote presentation (titled: More than a million miles and a century of life) at the international battery seminar (IBS) held 28 -31 March 2022 in Orlando, Florida. The term “Million...nickelinstitute.org
Lots of research on solid-state battery tech too.Liquid nanotech battery
You refuel basically like you would gas; drain the spent fuel, fill with charged fuel.
Illinois Tech ‘Spinout’ Startup Influit Energy Has Created the World’s First Rechargeable, Safe, Electric Fuel
It was only a matter of time—before Influit Energy would need to hire more scientists, before the 2,100-square-footwww.iit.edu
“We have created a new type of flow battery that is predicated upon a composite material that we invented, which is a nanofluid where the nanoparticles are battery-active materials, which we called nanoelectrofuel, or NEF,” says John Katsoudas (M.S. PHYS ’03), co-founder and CEO of Influit Energy. “All of the technology has come together—we have a crystal-clear path before us.”Katsoudas calls Influit Energy a “spinout” of Illinois Tech. Leading the company alongside him are two co-founders: Elena Timofeeva, chief operating officer, director of research and development, and a research associate professor of chemistry at Illinois Tech, and Carlo Segre, chief technology officer, chief financial officer, and a professor of physics at Illinois Tech. Segre is also director of the Center for Synchrotron Radiation Research and Instrumentation at Illinois Tech, which operates two sectors of the Advanced Photon Source at Argonne National Laboratory, a resource that Influit Energy occasionally utilizes.“[Influit Energy’s research] started back in 2009 as a basic science investigation when we were at Illinois Tech and Argonne National Laboratory, and we have taken our technology from basic science development, to applied science, to building prototypes, and now our first product development,” Katsoudas says.The United States government has also played a critical role in Influit Energy’s growth, awarding the company more than $10 million in contracts to fund the design and fabrication of NEF flow battery prototypes that will allow several agencies to utilize Influit Energy’s batteries in electric vehicles and aircraft.“The unique high-energy density liquid format of the NEF flow batteries allows use of the same fluids in different devices, meaning fluid, charged at the recharging station from renewable energy sources or a grid, can be used to rapidly refuel vehicles, or for stationary storage and other large portable applications,” Timofeeva says. “Discharged fluid can be returned to a recharge/refuel station for recharging or be charged inside the device by plugging into the power source.”
TECHNOLOGY | Influit Energy
www.influitenergy.com
How does this technology compare with other emerging solutions for this application, including Liion batteries and fuel cells?"NEF Gen1 system will be 23% greater energy density for the same system volume than Li-ion at ½ the cost. Gen2 will be 5X increase at system level over Li-ion and 1/3 the cost.
If they even come close to meeting those goals, this is a new battery configuration paradigm.
A liquid "battery tank".