This would be a perfect time for Iowa to grab a graduate transfer point guard. I don't know why would you'd want to get rid of a rule that can really help your team if you take advantage of it
ESPN: ISU had easiest path to Sweet 16
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This would be a perfect time for Iowa to grab a graduate transfer point guard. I don't know why would you'd want to get rid of a rule that can really help your team if you take advantage of it
I'm tired of the mockery of the whole situtation, its free agency, the NCAA being corrupt and taking all the funds, coaches being allowed to do as they please also bothers me but good freaking lord, the constant open market/free agency just rubs me wrong way. I might as well just watch the NBA.
I won't argue with you there. While the Senior transfer has helped Iowa St twice in the past 6 years, I am not a huge fan of it.
It helped more than that IMO, they brought you back quickly and you attracted your starters now much easier doing so. You also had way more than just 2. I think it is a mockery of what this was all once about, but everything is corrupt at this point. Doesn't mean I am a fan. Hoping this 5th year crap ends are they are FORCED to actually attend classes etc and make it a legit arrangement. 1 and done needs to end, you want to risk flaming out in pro ball go for it.
You only mentioned Senior transfers....which would include Jake Anderson in year 1 and then Deondre Kane in year 4.
All of the other transfers that Iowa St brought in had to sit out a year......which I am ok with. Kids today change their minds and in some cases some coaches push kids out (looking at you Bob Huggins).
You can't tell me that Iowa hasn't benefited from transfers in the past. Luke Recker and Adam Haluska come to mind as two All-Big 10 guys that didn't hurt the program.
All of the other transfers that Iowa St brought in had to sit out a year......which I am ok with. Kids today change their minds and in some cases some coaches push kids out (looking at you Bob Huggins).
You can't tell me that Iowa hasn't benefited from transfers in the past. Luke Recker and Adam Haluska come to mind as two All-Big 10 guys that didn't hurt the program.
I couldn't recall if Lucious, Babb etc had to sit out, just lost track really of all you brought in. I am ok with a legitimate transfer, sitting out a year, attending class legitimately, that definitely shows your commitment to the school/program over these 1 and doner free agents.
Dejean-Jones last year, none this year and we have one (hopefully two) coming in next season
I would argue whether we think it is good or bad all these kids are transferring (I'm sure most agree it's bad). It is happening, and as long as these kids are going somewhere, why not have them come to your school to fill a need. All programs/coaches are judged on how often they win, I can tell you who's in the sweet 16 but have no idea where their graduation rate is. Would Indiana be where it is without Zeisloft/Bielfelt? Miami without Rodriguez/McClendon?
I hope it never goes away. I think it helps level the playing field with the blue bloods. Fran would be stupid not to try to take advantage of it while it's acceptable by the NCAA
Fran is loyal just like KF, it will never happen, he views it as unfair to the guys who committed to him. I respect him for that. It will end sooner or later.
How is it unfair to bring in a fifth year player to help your team but it's OK to bring in Tyler Ulis to start PG over Gesell and Clemmons? If Fran isn't looking for a fifth year point guard this year I would be upset if I were a Hawkeye fan.
Maybe he will but that has been his view on it. I would be shocked if he did. We know Pollard was so anti transfer not too long ago
Maybe he will but that has been his view on it. I would be shocked if he did. We know Pollard was so anti transfer not too long ago
I don't think that is his view on it, I just don't think he's much luck yet. He went after Sterling Gibbs this last off season and he was a fifth year guy that had a good year at UCONN this year
If a senior wants to transfer because they have a degree and the school they are at doesn't offer the masters they are looking for then so be it. Just have them sit a year like all transfers and eat up a scholarship while doing so. If this is really all about academics then it takes care of itself. If it isn't about academics then the number of senior transfers will be cut down dramatically.
Do all fan bases wet themselves over beating a 13 and a 12 seed or is isu just "special"?
I think Iowa fans (including yourself) are making more out of the Sweet 16 route than anyone else. I don't think any Cyclone fan thinks that their first two opponents were the most difficult ones out there.
What is special is that the opportunity to play in a Sweet 16 game and seeing a Final Four is within reach....not to mention getting to have the game in Chicago where fans can easily attend.
Since you like to continue to bring up Iowa's football season........I'll make the comparison. By winning the games they were supposed to, they earned the opportunity at the bigger stage. Obviously Iowa's football game vs Michigan St ended up being a toss up. Then their Rose Bowl game vs Stanford was an embarrassment.
I don't think Virginia is going to embarrass Iowa St on Friday.
What is special is that the opportunity to play in a Sweet 16 game and seeing a Final Four is within reach....not to mention getting to have the game in Chicago where fans can easily attend.
Since you like to continue to bring up Iowa's football season........I'll make the comparison. By winning the games they were supposed to, they earned the opportunity at the bigger stage. Obviously Iowa's football game vs Michigan St ended up being a toss up. Then their Rose Bowl game vs Stanford was an embarrassment.
I don't think Virginia is going to embarrass Iowa St on Friday.
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When did Fran say this? If true I think he's selling the program and fans short. Even if he doesn't like it it's bizarre to not try to take advantage of it. Even Coach K has taken a transfer or 2 recently. Loyalty is a great quality, but if you hand guys spots and promise them you won't try to find better players you will likely fall behind in this climate.Maybe he will but that has been his view on it. I would be shocked if he did. We know Pollard was so anti transfer not too long ago
I am okay taking a graduate transfer if its still allowed by the NCAA. Its a loophole that Fran could use to emerge the program and take it to the next step. The current process of recruiting HS kids is good, but then you have to wait 2-3 years before they are relevant. I would try it at least once to see what you get. There are tons of "small" school players who want to move up into the Power 5 conferences to play. Hell some of the transfers in the Big Ten this year were great players. Why not try it.
I personally think if these guys are "truly" getting their graduate degree, I would like the NCAA to go to a 50% rule. Meaning the player who wants to transfer for graduate courses, has to complete 50% of their graduate work before being able to play again (basically a year or year 1/2). I realize this would eat up a scholly for a year or two, which would be a gamble for some coaches, but it at least holds some of these players accountable. Instead of letting them sign up for courses, play basketball and by April they drop out of the program or don't finish it. Just my 2 cents.
ISU actually has a great chance of getting to the final four with playing three double digit seeds. Bet that has never been done before.
West Virginia did it in 2010 I know. Baylor played 3 double digit seeds that same year to get to the Elite 8 but then lost to Duke. I'm sure it's been done other times I just remember that tournament being wild.a
Iowa State will have to beat the #1 team in KenPom to get to the Elite 8. Nothing is going to be easy
Just jealous is all. Though I don't think Iowa would have beaten either team you had to play so far.
ISU played a 13 seed by earning a 4 seed. Had they tanked the last month, playing a 13 seed wouldn't have happened.
Playing a 12 seed was out of their control. Maybe they were a little fortunate that Purdue lost (due to Purdue's size), but still had to beat Little Rock.
Finally, they soundly beat both teams.
If they beat UVA (a big IF), they should be favored over Gonzaga or Syracuse. At this point, seeds dont matter too much. Anyone can beat anyone. Whatever the case, its exciting to still be in the mix, and have a legitimate shot at Final Four.
Playing a 12 seed was out of their control. Maybe they were a little fortunate that Purdue lost (due to Purdue's size), but still had to beat Little Rock.
Finally, they soundly beat both teams.
If they beat UVA (a big IF), they should be favored over Gonzaga or Syracuse. At this point, seeds dont matter too much. Anyone can beat anyone. Whatever the case, its exciting to still be in the mix, and have a legitimate shot at Final Four.
It isn't a loophole, any more than the redshirt, or medical hardship, rules are loopholes, or the rule allowing a player to play immediately elsewhere if his school gets put on probation. They may not be wise rules, but they're in there intentionally for a reason.
If Iowa has the opportunity to grab a senior transfer at PG who will upgrade the roster Fran should do it. It's completely within the framework of the rules, so I really don't understand the outcry against it.
I know Babb had to set out a year, I don't remember about Lucious in fact I had even forgotten about him. Players who have already graduated like Kane with still a year of eligibility because of being a red shirt or losing a year or more because of injury don't have to set out a year but do have to enroll in post graduate classes to play their final year of eligibility.
Both Michigan State guards sat out. McKay had to sit out even though he never played a minute for Marquette. Babb's brother is sitting out this year.
What's really ironic about this discussion is that if you look at the best teams Iowa has had in the past 50 years, you will find that transfers played a key role on each of them.
So you are saying that playing a 13, 12, 1 and 11 seed is the same as playing a 13, 5, 1 and 2 seed? If so, I will have some of what you are smoking.
Yet the day where Iowa takes multiple players tossed of the team at their previous schools has yet to come, unlike at isu.
If we beat Virginia we definitely caught a break missing out on Michigan State. ISU was going to beat whoever they played in round 2 regardless if it was Purdue or ALR in my opinion. It's kind of funny Hawk fans talk about how easy of a path ISU will have to the Final Four considering it was two B1G teams that got upset for it to happen
Even if somehow ISU beats Virginia they will likely play Gonzaga who is playing like a top 4 seed right now. They were actually favored in their first two games against higher seeds. I think UNC actually has the easiest path to the final four.
Here is ISU's guard for next year: I am only kidding guys take it easy!
http://meangreenblog.dentonrc.com/2015/11/deandre-harris-gone-for-unt-mens-basketball-team.html/
http://meangreenblog.dentonrc.com/2015/11/deandre-harris-gone-for-unt-mens-basketball-team.html/
For Iowa fans complaining about ISUs path to the final 4. I'm sorry the big 10 sucks and allowed for it to happen.
Maybe someone has already said it, but the 1 and done requirement has nothing to do with the NCAA. It's an NBA policy that you have to be 1 year removed from high school before you are eligible.
Kansas was a 6 seed. They beat:
11 = Xavier
14 = Murray State
7 = Vanderbilt
4 = Kansas State (heated rival)
2 = Duke
1 = Oklahoma
The following was posted by ISUChip on the Cyclones board. Maybe we should put our money on Gonzaga.
For the first two rounds, the "easiest path" is an opponent seed total of 25. 10 of the 16 remaining teams did it that way.
25 - Kansas (16, 9)
25 - North Carolina (16, 9)
25 - Virginia (16, 9)
25 - Oklahoma (15, 10)
25 - Miami (14, 11)
25 - Texas A&M (14, 11)
25 - Duke (13, 12)
25 - Iowa State (13, 12)
25 - Maryland (12, 13)
25 - Notre Dame (11, 14)
24 - Oregon (16, 8)
22 - Villanova (15, 7)
22 - Syracuse (7, 15)
16 - Indiana (12, 4)
12 - Wisconsin (10, 2)
9 - Gonzaga (6, 3)
