Fight at end of Kansas / Kansas State game

[StarHawk]

The NCAA seems to have put it's head in the sand now when it comes to what goes on in College Basketball....Kansas was one of the big players in the FBI's investigation...as the NCAA hid out.

Speaking of thuggish behavior on another court, I was watching Nebraska and Wisconsin last night, and noticed (as they do every game) Nebraska players have to taunt and celebrate every shot they make...one of their most obnoxious players Cam Mack especially, he made a three one time near Wisconsin bench and then turned and taunted them....and really for no apparent reason other than he's just a 20 year old wrap in a six-year old brain. He also has to do the bow and arrow gesture after making shots too....of course he then eventually always does hero ball moves and turns the ball over repeatedly costing Nebraska a chance of winning....but most certainly Hoiberg had to promise to let him do what ever he wants to recruit him to a sub-par program of Nebraska (previously he was #1 juco guard last year).

Officials, just like in football, need to start dishing out Tech-fouls to stop the jerky behavior oh...and Nebraska players have to make faces and throw little tantrums and plead with Refs on every call against them...no matter how obvious it is.

 

[fivecardstud14]

The NCAA seems to have put it's head in the sand now when it comes to what goes on in College Basketball....Kansas was one of the big players in the FBI's investigation...as the NCAA hid out.

Speaking of thuggish behavior on another court, I was watching Nebraska and Wisconsin last night, and noticed (as they do every game) Nebraska players have to taunt and celebrate every shot they make...one of their most obnoxious players Cam Mack especially, he made a three one time near Wisconsin bench and then turned and taunted them....and really for no apparent reason other than he's just a 20 year old wrap in a six-year old brain. He also has to do the bow and arrow gesture after making shots too....of course he then eventually always does hero ball moves and turns the ball over repeatedly costing Nebraska a chance of winning....but most certainly Hoiberg had to promise to let him do what ever he wants to recruit him to a sub-par program of Nebraska (previously he was #1 juco guard last year).

Officials, just like in football, need to start dishing out Tech-fouls to stop the jerky behavior oh...and Nebraska players have to make faces and throw little tantrums and plead with Refs on every call against them...no matter how obvious it is.

Oh god please no more unnecessary whistles & technicals. They already call way too many techs as it is for no reason (who gives a shit if they hang on the rim, it doesn't matter). Technicals are too much of a penalty, it should only be one free throw.

 

[Tunadog]

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

The NCAA seems to have put it's head in the sand now when it comes to what goes on in College Basketball....Kansas was one of the big players in the FBI's investigation...as the NCAA hid out.

Speaking of thuggish behavior on another court, I was watching Nebraska and Wisconsin last night, and noticed (as they do every game) Nebraska players have to taunt and celebrate every shot they make...one of their most obnoxious players Cam Mack especially, he made a three one time near Wisconsin bench and then turned and taunted them....and really for no apparent reason other than he's just a 20 year old wrap in a six-year old brain. He also has to do the bow and arrow gesture after making shots too....of course he then eventually always does hero ball moves and turns the ball over repeatedly costing Nebraska a chance of winning....but most certainly Hoiberg had to promise to let him do what ever he wants to recruit him to a sub-par program of Nebraska (previously he was #1 juco guard last year).

Officials, just like in football, need to start dishing out Tech-fouls to stop the jerky behavior oh...and Nebraska players have to make faces and throw little tantrums and plead with Refs on every call against them...no matter how obvious it is.

I'm old but agree, and I don't like when our guys do it either. The "three strumming the guitar" and other stuff is just silly to me. I get that it's a game and should be fun, but I prefer the Weezy-straight-faced reaction. That to me is almost a bigger burn, like "i'm so friggin good, i just did what i knew i would"

 

[steelrain]

I am trying to imagine some of our fans rationalizing the taunt if this was an Iowa/ISU game and ISU stole the ball and got rejected...then the fight.
I'm sure we would have a lot of people on here trying to justify the incident.

We already have people on here saying they are ok with it. We are disconnected from the teams so we have a different view than if our fan base was directly involved.

I'm disgusted with the incident, but not surprised by it. Two rivals, heated tempers, rabid fan bases, etc.

 

[Jizzer]

JizzerAll-Conference
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If you steal the ball in the final seconds like that you should expect to be hacked & bloody. Not sure why anyone had a problem with the swat.
I'm with you, I would have swatted/fouled and then stood over him. Douchey move by the KSU player. Nothing worse than getting your arse kicked, then trying to steal the ball and score at the end down 20. So stupid.


Please tell us what you would gain by these actions. Talk about stupid.

Says the guy who can't quote and type in the same post. I wouldn't have thrown punches, that's where DeSouza was wrong. But if a guy steals the ball when a team is trying to run the clock out with 5 seconds left down by 25 points, he deserves everything he gets in the run from behind. Game was over, move on. Stealing the ball in that scenario is way douchier than standing over someone after a block.

 

[mstp1992]

Yep

Nope.

 

[OUtspokenOpinions]

Its pretty easy for people to put on an act off the court for fund raisers etc. Self's hands are all over the crap thats gone on at KU, although I highly doubt he'll ever be held accountable for any of the illegal recruiting or dirty money thats changed hands. I'm sure he'll use the Rick Pitino, "I had no knowledge"defense.

Had nothing to do with fund raising. You just proved the adage regarding assumptions.

And before you assume again, KU is not where my college loyalties stand.

 

[TampaHawkfan]

Not condoning his actions, but he did just have the ball stolen from him as he was trying to dribble out the clock. Clearly he crossed the line standing over the KSU player, who was not completely innocent. Plenty of ‘what not to do’s’ in this one. I would be disgusted to be a fan of either one of these programs.

Exactly. The KSU player had no reason to try to do anything in that situation. Just let them dribble out the clock. But yeah.. Everything that followed after the steal was disgraceful. Just ugly.

Block the shot if you want.. But leave it at that.

 

[mstp1992]

Exactly. The KSU player had no reason to try to do anything in that situation. Just let them dribble out the clock. But yeah.. Everything that followed after the steal was disgraceful. Just ugly.

Block the shot if you want.. But leave it at that.

There was fault on both sides, and I don't see how either team avoids serious sanctions.

 

[Rudolph]

Through the lifetime of people in our society we have become too lenient and promote lawlessness by not holding people accountable for their actions. Why as adults can we not demand strong action like suspensions for a long period, etc. how else does someone learn self control and respect for others. Sports can be a character builder but when that fails we have to hold these adults accountable to their actions. We do them no favors by glossing over what they’ve done.
I will ask this last question why has not Kansas been held accountable for their recruiting actions or North Carolina and their farce education classes? I’m sure there’s other blue bloods that have been allowed to break rules in their recruiting process. Again, it just promotes the same lawlessness.

Lol.

 

[DodgerHawki]

I am trying to imagine some of our fans rationalizing the taunt if this was an Iowa/ISU game and ISU stole the ball and got rejected...then the fight.
I'm sure we would have a lot of people on here trying to justify the incident.

We already have people on here saying they are ok with it. We are disconnected from the teams so we have a different view than if our fan base was directly involved.

I'm disgusted with the incident, but not surprised by it. Two rivals, heated tempers, rabid fan bases, etc.

We already did to an extent last year. In the game at CHA there was the dustup between Pemsl, Conor and Jacobson on ISU (maybe another player too). We Iowa fans loved it that the team didn't back down from the opponent and got on Prohm (for good reason) for getting out there and doing nothing but shoving Iowa's players while his guys were still doing stuff.

There's a fine line between competing and things getting out of control. Teams need to play with an edge and not back down when challenged physically by the opponent. You let the opponent just bully you around and you'll end up the loser. But players/teams always have to be in control. Guys CANNOT leave the bench under any circumstance. Neither Iowa or ISU had players leave the bench last year. Guys also cannot throw punches. Xavier and Cincinnati got in a fight a couple years back and the worst offenders in that game got from 4-6 games suspension.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

Yeah, I hate the taunting crap that happens today ... We see it at the professional level and it has cascaded down to the college and high school level (sadly). It's a bad reflection on the players involved. When the mob mentality kicks in ... this is what happens.

Who would have thunk it that two male cheerleaders helped save the day ...

it's just a reflection of society in general these days unfortunately......

 

[kceasthawk]

Do enlighten us on the conversations. I am sure they were in depth enough to dispel any of the stories out there about the guy.... now back to the fight. Were their fans involved? The guy in the black shirt looked like a fan. That elevates the issue.

The problem which makes it that much worse, is that this boiled off the court into the section reserved for the handicapped. I highly doubt any of them got involved, and were probably scared for their lives.....

 

[H4wkfan4life]

I really don't think it's that big of deal. I hate when Fraschallia & announcers say "this is terrible. There's no point to this. It's sad." So much for play-by-play, now we have to hear your lame opinions on the ugly ending.

Guy steals the ball so the other guys retaliate. Things get heated & a fight happens. Then everybody goes home.

so who won the fight? I guess you could say baylor did? LOL

I didn't play bball, but I played football, a much more physical sport. We never acted like this, so the whole "heat of the moment" thing doesn't fly with me.

Taking this crap near the fans is absolutely insane and I hope multiple people see a long suspension. To go brawling 5 feet from some handicapped dude in a wheel chair? They should be damn happy that dude didn't get knocked over or people that don't even care about bball would be demanding a lot more than a suspension.....

 

[kceasthawk]

The NCAA seems to have put it's head in the sand now when it comes to what goes on in College Basketball....Kansas was one of the big players in the FBI's investigation...as the NCAA hid out.

Speaking of thuggish behavior on another court, I was watching Nebraska and Wisconsin last night, and noticed (as they do every game) Nebraska players have to taunt and celebrate every shot they make...one of their most obnoxious players Cam Mack especially, he made a three one time near Wisconsin bench and then turned and taunted them....and really for no apparent reason other than he's just a 20 year old wrap in a six-year old brain. He also has to do the bow and arrow gesture after making shots too....of course he then eventually always does hero ball moves and turns the ball over repeatedly costing Nebraska a chance of winning....but most certainly Hoiberg had to promise to let him do what ever he wants to recruit him to a sub-par program of Nebraska (previously he was #1 juco guard last year).

Officials, just like in football, need to start dishing out Tech-fouls to stop the jerky behavior oh...and Nebraska players have to make faces and throw little tantrums and plead with Refs on every call against them...no matter how obvious it is.

As long as its not over the top, we probably don't want to go there. For the most part its fun, and plenty of Iowa players, putting up three signs, flexing and blowing kisses, something Lukas done a number of times this season. Lets not be overly critical, as long as things don't get too carried away.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

The problem which makes it that much worse, is that this boiled off the court into the section reserved for the handicapped. I highly doubt any of them got involved, and were probably scared for their lives.....

WHOA! I noticed the guy in the wheelchair right away, but hadn't realized the whole section was for handicapped folks.
Pretty damn pitiful!

 

[fivecardstud14]

so who won the fight? I guess you could say baylor did? LOL

I didn't play bball, but I played football, a much more physical sport. We never acted like this, so the whole "heat of the moment" thing doesn't fly with me.

Taking this crap near the fans is absolutely insane and I hope multiple people see a long suspension. To go brawling 5 feet from some handicapped dude in a wheel chair? They should be damn happy that dude didn't get knocked over or people that don't even care about bball would be demanding a lot more than a suspension.....

Try sacking the QB when he's kneeing the ball, see how the O-line handles that. Don't know why this is so confusing for you.

 

[Rustys Dad]

it's just a reflection of society in general these days unfortunately......

You are spot on my friend ...

 

[kceasthawk]

Had nothing to do with fund raising. You just proved the adage regarding assumptions.

And before you assume again, KU is not where my college loyalties stand.

Don't really care what it had to do with, nor do I agree that I've made an ASS out of U or Me. I've lived KC for 30 years, and I can tell you that there's a big stink coming from Lawrence, although I guess it just business as usual. From Larry Brown to old Roy, to Self there's been shady goings on the whole time. Maybe its time they do something about it???

 

[H4wkfan4life]

Try sacking the QB when he's kneeing the ball, see how the O-line handles that. Don't know why this is so confusing for you.

I've seen qbs take bad hits tons of times and the oline not start a brawl(or even throw a punch).
Sure as shit have never seen a football team fighting next to some dude in a wheelchair.

I'm not sure what is so confusing to you......

 

[fivecardstud14]

I've seen qbs take bad hits tons of times and the oline not start a brawl(or even throw a punch).
Sure as shit have never seen a football team fighting next to some dude in a wheelchair.

I'm not sure what is so confusing to you......

Ha ok guess I can't argue with you on this. Not sure why I try since you never played the sport. Keep bringing up the wheelchair though...

 

[H4wkfan4life]

Ha ok guess I can't argue with you on this. Not sure why I try since you never played the sport. Keep bringing up the wheelchair though...

will do

keep supporting hoodlums......

 

[iahawks10]

This, in spades!! And clubs, hearts, and diamonds! Moronic move to steal the ball, without question. But IMO EVERYTHING that happened after that is on KU.
I would like to think a coach and a program that had less slime involved would boot at least one kid off the team, but this is KU.

I would disagree about putting it ALL on KU even after you already excused what started.

Standing over a player, in any sport is completely classless. You’ll get no argument here. But the entire KSU bench emptied in an instant. Those who dressed and those who didn’t. KSU was ready for battle at that moment. Pretty hard to put that all on KU as dirty as it feels sticking up for them.

 

[Rudolph]

will do

keep supporting hoodlums......

You know any of the Kansas or Kansas St players or staff personally?

 

[H4wkfan4life]

You know any of the Kansas or Kansas St players or staff personally?

if you really need to "know" a dude like that de sousa to know he is trash, then good luck in life

 

[Rudolph]

if you really need to "know" a dude like that de sousa to know he is trash, then good luck in life

So... no, no you don’t. Thanks.

 

[kceasthawk]

I would disagree about putting it ALL on KU even after you already excused what started.

Standing over a player, in any sport is completely classless. You’ll get no argument here. But the entire KSU bench emptied in an instant. Those who dressed and those who didn’t. KSU was ready for battle at that moment. Pretty hard to put that all on KU as dirty as it feels sticking up for them.

Ah, so you're saying it takes two too Tango?

 

[HawkRugged17]

it's just a reflection of society in general these days unfortunately......

There was a much worse fight in 1972 between Minnesota - Ohio State. This is not a 'reflection of society these days' type thing ...

If you haven't seen this before, here's some video (not great quality) on this brawl. Watch how it starts and then what happens. Pretty out of control and wild.

Another note ... Dave Winfield (the baseball HOF) was a Minnesota player at the time.

 

[IllQChawk]

After seeing video that led up to the blocked layup, most of the blame has to lay on the shoulders of Bruce Weber. Kansas State was down 20 with less then 10 seconds left in the game and Kansas was just dribbling out the clock. The attempt to steal the ball and go in for a layup is bush league, but the Kansas player could have just let it go and let the clock run out.
Fran has in many cases told his players to dribble out the clock whether up by double digits or down by double digits, I applaud him for that.
Didn't we play an opponent that pulled that stunt against us last year and Fran just told the Iowa players to just walk of the court after the game without a handshake line. Somehow I remember that just not who we were playing at the time....

 

[iahawks10]

Ah, so you're saying it takes two too Tango?

I would say it takes two to tango. Not sure why a lot of people are up in arms against KU, but excuse KSU behavior. Except because it’s KU. To me, there is 50% blame for each team. That was my point.

 

[HawkRugged17]

After seeing video that led up to the blocked layup, most of the blame has to lay on the shoulders of Bruce Weber. Kansas State was down 20 with less then 10 seconds left in the game and Kansas was just dribbling out the clock. The attempt to steal the ball and go in for a layup is bush league, but the Kansas player could have just let it go and let the clock run out.
Fran has in many cases told his players to dribble out the clock whether up by double digits or down by double digits, I applaud him for that.
Didn't we play an opponent that pulled that stunt against us last year and Fran just told the Iowa players to just walk of the court after the game without a handshake line. Somehow I remember that just not who we were playing at the time....

Yep. Here's Crispin talking about it ... play starts at about 1:00 of clip.

 

[Hawksfor3]

If this would have happened to Fran's team, I am guessing Fran would not shake hands at the end

That block had a little extra "mustard" on it. That's what pissed me off about it. #22 (a junior) doing that to a freshman guard at the very end. Even Self said he should have been mature enough to avoid that. Grabbing the chair......well, that alone speaks for itself.

 

[iahawks10]

After seeing video that led up to the blocked layup, most of the blame has to lay on the shoulders of Bruce Weber. Kansas State was down 20 with less then 10 seconds left in the game and Kansas was just dribbling out the clock. The attempt to steal the ball and go in for a layup is bush league, but the Kansas player could have just let it go and let the clock run out.
Fran has in many cases told his players to dribble out the clock whether up by double digits or down by double digits, I applaud him for that.
Didn't we play an opponent that pulled that stunt against us last year and Fran just told the Iowa players to just walk of the court after the game without a handshake line. Somehow I remember that just not who we were playing at the time....

Happened in the 2016-17 season. North Dakota stole the ball late and proceeded to make the layup. Fran turned and walked off the court and his players properly followed. Fran and Iowa caught some crap from the Hawkeye faithful here because of it. Old Iowa assistant coach Brian Jones had no idea why Iowa was upset by the ending.


Pretty sure I’m remembering this correctly.

 

[kceasthawk]

Happened in the 2016-17 season. North Dakota stole the ball late and proceeded to make the layup. Fran turned and walked off the court and his players properly followed. Fran and Iowa caught some crap from the Hawkeye faithful here because of it.


Pretty sure I’m remembering this correctly.

Yep, it was NDakota three years ago. I think there was an ex Iowa player or assistant on that team as well........

 

[Hawksfor3]

Could/should Weber have done more? He said he told his players not to foul, and to back off. Did he literally say, "Let them run out the clock"? I don't know. Maybe he should have. Hope something positive can come out of that show last night.

 

[HawkAttackDial911]

Man, Minnesota has quite the sports history. Killed Jack Trice, this brawl where three of the Buckeyes ended up in the hospital, and one in ICU for days with permanent damage to their eye, then the academic fraud scandal that cost Iowa a Big Ten championship.

 

[Ronman]

Isn't it an automatic suspension if you leave the bench to participate in an altercation? How will these two teams even be able to put a squad on the court for their next games?

 

[iahawks10]

Isn't it an automatic suspension if you leave the bench to participate in an altercation? How will these two teams even be able to put a squad on the court for their next games?

Also, I’m pretty sure that the assistant coaches aren’t allowed to leave the bench either. Only the head coach can leave the bench.

 

[Underscore2]

At around the 24:26 mark they show the fight without the cut-aways. Not that I condone watching this for enjoyment, just passing long in case this wasn't posted before. Really bad huh. And my eating popcorn right now is purely coincidental.



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