Fight Night
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Just watched it myself and have to say I didn't think it was as bad as everyone seemed to make it out to be. It's Gilman for God's sake, that's his personality at this point in his life, he's a young adult that has been extremely focused at winning titles from a very young age I'm sure. I mean the guy has a different mentality when it comes to wrestling than probably 99% of us, he reads books on warfare, he's a damn machine at this point in his life...the definition of "Show up, dominate, go home".
Reminded me of the mindset shown in "The Season" shown on ESPN where Brands talks about being a "dick" and an "asshole" and Mocco talking about "killing" a guy...that was shown on NATIONAL TV fellas...I don't remember anyone talking about the effect the "language" had on our program.
Here's the link if you've never seen it...opening scene Brands lets it fly:
Reminded me of the mindset shown in "The Season" shown on ESPN where Brands talks about being a "dick" and an "asshole" and Mocco talking about "killing" a guy...that was shown on NATIONAL TV fellas...I don't remember anyone talking about the effect the "language" had on our program.
Here's the link if you've never seen it...opening scene Brands lets it fly:
Yawn....couple guys had it right.... Gilman better stick to wrestling cause his comedy career might not ever take off... personally being an Iowa fan and loving Gilman I enjoyed it for what it was... watched Schwabs face and I think Gilman got under his skin a little....Dressler to his credit I thought handled it well and lightened things up at the end....a week from now nobody will even remember this.... nothing to see here
I never gave my opinion on whether I thought it was good or bad but thanks for chiming in. Just felt like tossing another $20 towards the HWC in light of the recent publicity. I’m doing just fine myself but if you want to one up my one-off donation I recommend Wrestling For Life or the Youth Emergency Shelter Services if you are a Des Moines native.
Also, Cody Swim who is a Grand View alumnus is running a program that needs wrestling shoes for all ages so reach out to IAWrestle if you can help there.
Watched the video, and while I love Gilman's warrior mentality and wrestling loyalty for Iowa, his performance made me cringe. I got the feeling this was supposed to be something close to a roast where it's okay to take digs at other coaches and schools, but Gilman's "performance" came across as just humorless insults.
Should've had McD or someone else speak, imho.
Should've had McD or someone else speak, imho.
McD drops more f-bombs than The Hat in casual conversation and it's not even close. I'm not saying he would have done it at Fight Night, but he's not an orange like spooner worrying about upsetting Ward and June because the Beav and Wally heard a cuss word.
Youth wrestling practices aren't frickin' bible study, so forget the kids. Hell, Gilman might be appalled himself if he ever looked at one of their Snaps.
The dude tried to roast and kinda struggled at times. Rehearsals with someone that has a clue on delivery would have been nice. I enjoyed it even though it was unrefined.
To me it just shows we need more diversity in the room. No brother would have let him go out there like that.
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No wonder Gman is so angry. What is his greatest title, B10 champ?
Just delete it. I delete way over half of my stuff because it just shows my stupidity. Do it, dummy.
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Lol... You clearly didn't read my other posts. I said I can see it both ways. Especially after speaking with a few alumni, parents, and Iowa HS coaches about it.. Whether I agree with it is irrelevant. Just out of curiosity though, would you tell a big time donor to "f**k off" if he didn't appreciate that "performance"?
Whether it was satire or not, it turned many folks off big time.. Some that are very close to the program. I suppose they can "f**k off" too though.
Just a guess, but I'd say his title at the tournament where he beat four NCAA Champions (one of them twice).
This. The event is a great chance to spend time with fans, high school coaches and wrestlers. Promote your program. Instead he came off like a dick, reinforced a negative perception about Iowa wrestling and then basically ran away. Thank goodness Berhow and McD where there to soften the blow.
In and of itself, not a huge deal. It will all be forgotten in a week or two. But it just seems like the type of negative press that this program doesn’t need right now.
Guys/Gals,
I struggled a bit trying to decide if I should even respond. This forum has become almost like family and after sleeping on it I decided I would offer one reply..
I have gotten many texts,emails and phone calls. Much like the comments here, the reactions are mixed.
My own personal opinion-- I didn't like the language used at all ( and to be clear I am guilty of swearing like that also--just not in front of a mic)
Thomas Gilman is a good person,great teammate, and as fans we couldn't ask for a better person in the room. He takes time to sign autographs and spend time with fans.
His time in front of that microphone didn't come across well with many. I understand that and can relate.
Does it change how I feel about Iowa Wrestling and the HWC? No way..
I have read every comment in this thread.. I'm glad that people care one way or the other.
We can..and will do better.
Happy Friday !
I struggled a bit trying to decide if I should even respond. This forum has become almost like family and after sleeping on it I decided I would offer one reply..
I have gotten many texts,emails and phone calls. Much like the comments here, the reactions are mixed.
My own personal opinion-- I didn't like the language used at all ( and to be clear I am guilty of swearing like that also--just not in front of a mic)
Thomas Gilman is a good person,great teammate, and as fans we couldn't ask for a better person in the room. He takes time to sign autographs and spend time with fans.
His time in front of that microphone didn't come across well with many. I understand that and can relate.
Does it change how I feel about Iowa Wrestling and the HWC? No way..
I have read every comment in this thread.. I'm glad that people care one way or the other.
We can..and will do better.
Happy Friday !
Not buying that this performance tarnished the program’s image in any way, shape, or form. It’s as if you guys didn’t know Iowa has a tough guy reputation? Obviously, not everyone is Gilman in the program, but to act as if Gilman portrayed an alternative image of what the program is all about ... child please.
Some of you guys need to spend some time listening to Brands or Gable in a personal setting. Gilman could be their offspring and represents all that is the Iowa/Gable edge. And if the big wig donors didn’t know what they were buying ... well, now they know.
Some of you guys need to spend some time listening to Brands or Gable in a personal setting. Gilman could be their offspring and represents all that is the Iowa/Gable edge. And if the big wig donors didn’t know what they were buying ... well, now they know.
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Regarding Gilman. .. sure got under the skin of those pricks at CF.
So, mission accomplished.
Then again, when you're only the third best program in the State of Iowa, probably doesn't take much.
So, mission accomplished.
Then again, when you're only the third best program in the State of Iowa, probably doesn't take much.
Yep. We all have that one buddy who speaks his mind and nothing you say or do is going to stop him. But sometimes you wish he'd shut the f**k up and quite acting like an asshole. If I'm reading correctly, Iowa sent two assistant coaches. Not sure why one of them couldn't have represented Iowa at this event.
Also, I'm curious if the perception of Gilman being a dick would be lessened if he wasn't wearing that hat lol.
OK, finally got to see it with sound, so I can give my views and you all can take potshots at me.
1. Felt he was disrespectful to Coach Gable.
2. The event was called fight night-supposed to get things in an uproar, I believe is the purpose. Language was bad, the points seemed in line with what they would want. Poor delivery-if his wrestling was that bad, no one would care what he said.
3. Hat is OK, if he was outside. I was taught no hats inside, so don't care what it looked like, shouldn't have had it on.
4. Won't affect his wrestling at all, but may affect future employment opportunities.
JMO-sure no one cares. Never talked to the young man-will defer his real personality to those who have. Sounds to me like he tried to have some fun, but language and delivery fell flat. Big deal-not.
1. Felt he was disrespectful to Coach Gable.
2. The event was called fight night-supposed to get things in an uproar, I believe is the purpose. Language was bad, the points seemed in line with what they would want. Poor delivery-if his wrestling was that bad, no one would care what he said.
3. Hat is OK, if he was outside. I was taught no hats inside, so don't care what it looked like, shouldn't have had it on.
4. Won't affect his wrestling at all, but may affect future employment opportunities.
JMO-sure no one cares. Never talked to the young man-will defer his real personality to those who have. Sounds to me like he tried to have some fun, but language and delivery fell flat. Big deal-not.
So to everyone saying it doesn’t hurt the program and that is what the program is, are the former wrestlers who commented on it saying it was bad not aware of what Iowa wrestling is about? The people that have messaged Randy upset are obviously not the type of fans who the hwc club wants so f them right?
I’ve always liked Gilman, yeah he can make me cringe with his comments sometimes but the kid wins but to think that this doesn’t reflect poorly on Iowa or hwc to some people is foolish to think and if we are just gonna say well they aren’t the type of fans we want is even more foolish. Just my opinion though and I know not everyone will agree with me.
I’ve always liked Gilman, yeah he can make me cringe with his comments sometimes but the kid wins but to think that this doesn’t reflect poorly on Iowa or hwc to some people is foolish to think and if we are just gonna say well they aren’t the type of fans we want is even more foolish. Just my opinion though and I know not everyone will agree with me.
Disagree. This is a college sport, not pay per view.
I have no problem with the whole thing. I am a huge Gilman fan and will continue being one. I am a huge hawkeye hawkeye fan and will continue being one. Correct me if I am wrong but this was his 1st speech in front of a crowd like this and while his delivery could be misunderstood(I loved it by the way) I took it as he was just trying to get people riled up. Mission accomplished...
Lmao. Bad performance but not that bad. Today’s society have been colored oranges.
I ran into Thomas before worlds, couldn't have been nicer. And he had to listen to my drunken ass for ten minutes. He's great in my book. It's sad when a liberal like myself thinks a ton of our fans are being pussies... I mean 'oranges.'
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This was something I thought about as well. Man if he ever applies for a coaching job at another school then he's going to look like a huge hypocrite haha.
This is a true story. My wife asked me if I wanted her to make spaghetti the other night. I told her that I wanted spaghetti, but I didn't want HER spaghetti. Of course, she told me to go to hell -- and if I didn't want her spaghetti -- then I would have to figure out my dinner on my own.
Here's the deal ... I know what her spaghetti brings and I generally like it most of the time; just wasn't in the mood for hers that night. But I didn't want to screw this up for life -- I still want her spaghetti in the future. So, what did I do? I told her I was just joking, I'd love for her to make spaghetti, and slapped her on the ass for good measure.
I'm not sure there is a point to this story. I guess I'm not willing to give up Iowa Wrestling and my wife's spaghetti because Gilman and me said some stupid stuff. Hopefully, for all of the upset donors and fans, Gilman gives you all a slap on the ass the next time he sees you and you can find it in your heart to forgive him.
Here's the deal ... I know what her spaghetti brings and I generally like it most of the time; just wasn't in the mood for hers that night. But I didn't want to screw this up for life -- I still want her spaghetti in the future. So, what did I do? I told her I was just joking, I'd love for her to make spaghetti, and slapped her on the ass for good measure.
I'm not sure there is a point to this story. I guess I'm not willing to give up Iowa Wrestling and my wife's spaghetti because Gilman and me said some stupid stuff. Hopefully, for all of the upset donors and fans, Gilman gives you all a slap on the ass the next time he sees you and you can find it in your heart to forgive him.
I'm not so sure. I heard there is a guy on here who has a 401(k) and several others who at least threatened to quit Iowa Wrestling over PD3, so I don't make assumptions around here anymore when it comes to mental health and sport.
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I watched the video. Not big into the language. Was it entertaining? Yes, it is posted all over the internet. So HWC got a lot of exposure. Is it the type of exposure they want?
I think in general society is a little different than it was back in Gables days. Hating other teams and being us against the world seemed more common. Now days it seems like after professional sports opponents are often talking, smiling and laughing with the opponents win or lose. I think athletes still compete hard but don't necessarily hate every other team they compete against.
The Brands are very intense guys, they are exciting for the sport. It seems like they try to show the Iowa Wrestling is fun as they know that it may not be the perception. Stoll Stroll, the stuff Jake KadeI does, pictures of Terry with cheer leaders, etc. I don't think this performance will help make Iowa Wrestling appear fun and doesn't match up with a lot of things that I think Iowa has done to try change that perception.
Personally, I think Gilman is a great competitor but not sure I would want him to be the face of the program.
I think in general society is a little different than it was back in Gables days. Hating other teams and being us against the world seemed more common. Now days it seems like after professional sports opponents are often talking, smiling and laughing with the opponents win or lose. I think athletes still compete hard but don't necessarily hate every other team they compete against.
The Brands are very intense guys, they are exciting for the sport. It seems like they try to show the Iowa Wrestling is fun as they know that it may not be the perception. Stoll Stroll, the stuff Jake KadeI does, pictures of Terry with cheer leaders, etc. I don't think this performance will help make Iowa Wrestling appear fun and doesn't match up with a lot of things that I think Iowa has done to try change that perception.
Personally, I think Gilman is a great competitor but not sure I would want him to be the face of the program.
People that are philanthropic in nature are very thoughtful with their giving decisions. Those decisions change from year to year and are mostly based on things that are important to that person or are deemed a worthy cause. Last night was a set back for any reasonable person looking to give to the wrestling community. Although Gilman's performance at Fight Night was entertaining to many, it just wasn't a great way raise support for USA Wrestling, the HWC, or the sport in general.
Gilman explicitly says he doesn't like his new fans that aren't Hawk fans...seems like a serious lapse in judgment...kind of like a business person saying the only people they want to do business with are their existing customers. Gilman was there representing the University of Iowa Wrestling team and himself. Building a larger and more loyal base is about being more welcoming, not less. Gable is/was aware of this. Randy Novak's consistent outreach and the opening of the room for practices are both great examples of Hawkeye Wrestling being more welcoming.
In any case, Randy's message above is well done and tells me what I really need to know.
Unless im mistaken, i think you misinterpreted Gilman's comment. I think he was referring to the people that used to hate him and only started liking him after he made Team USA
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I agree with this insight.
When it comes to Worlds and Olympics, there is no Iowa, Penn St, ISU. It's USA. He shouldn't have told his new "fans" to piss off, in my opinion.
In terms of how this appeals to recruits or potential recruits, I'm unsure. Some kids have his mindset and others are completely the opposite.
What a weird deal!
I loved it, wrestling isn't for pussies and those who are weak.
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