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From TR Foley in todays ballbag: I don't know Thomas Gilman's values, but I did hear his words. For the second time since June he's shown himself to be a hateful and immature representative of Iowa and USA Wrestling. His chest-thumping, profanity-laced rant against Doug Schwab, Kevin Dresser, and his own fans was disrespectful to those he attacked and those in attendance. For a member of the national team to act in this way is disgraceful.

But Gilman got it from somewhere. What's important to recognize is that we, as a nation, are seeing an increase in the validity of hateful rhetoric like Gilman's -- the rejection of "others" as anything other than a mortal enemy. He is surrounded by a culture that increasingly seeks to normalize these voices of rage-filled anxiety. A fear of "otherness" is growing.

And yet responsibility for Gilman's actions are his own to bear. He seems to suffer from a tribe-centric type of personality disorder, emboldening him to not see the hatefulness in calling a Japanese opponent by a racial slur. It's the same mentality witnessed on Wednesday night in which he flailed and stammered his way through a demeaning assault on honorable men based solely on the fact they to no longer wear the colors of his community. The loyalty to the black and gold being greater than his respect for fellow combatants.

Gilman won't move past this most recent public disgrace, because he's displayed no signs of humbleness, or a path to growth. He'll wear this behavior around his neck for as long as he's a member of the community; another tragic tale of self-obsession and immaturity. The boy who won some medals, but a man who lost all respect.

Just posting what he said, didnt link so as not to give him the clicks.
 
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This was something I thought about as well. Man if he ever applies for a coaching job at another school then he's going to look like a huge hypocrite haha.
Not just wrestling or coaching. I do google searches on a lot of candidates. This wouldn't stop me from hiring TG if he was the most qualified-but if there were two equals, has to be considered.

But I was young one a long time ago, so....
 
I find it hard to believe "big time donors" have never heard the **** word before. Oh well, it's their money, they can spend it how they please. If a little banter was too much for them, they were probably looking for different ways to spend it anyways. The hey-day of Iowa Hawkeyes kicking ass and taking names is long in rearview mirror apparently.
 
i don't know what's more snowflakish about this entire debacle

1) the audacity of swear words at a roast
2) the suggestion that you must have a resume to talk smack

if you hate a person, you hate a person. that's ok.

don't come up with very see-through-able excuses.
 
Not just wrestling or coaching. I do google searches on a lot of candidates. This wouldn't stop me from hiring TG if he was the most qualified-but if there were two equals, has to be considered.

But I was young one a long time ago, so....

Well yeah of course, but I imagine Gilmans career intentions are wrestling related.
 
I have not read this entire thread, but have seen the video. If this comment has already been made, please forgive me. At the very least Gilman was disrespectful toward a traditional event hosted by two of the top wrestling supporters in the state. He owes an apology to the Breitbachs for turning their event and their restaurant into a foul "locker room".
 
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I have not read this entire thread, but have seen the video. If this comment has already been made, please forgive me. At the very least Gilman was disrespectful toward a traditional event hosted by two of the top wrestling supporters in the state. He owes an apology to the Breitbachs for turning their event and their restaurant into a foul "locker room".

oh. i get it now. the reason this event has remained utterly anonymous until now is because, despite of it being called Fight Night, they wanted people to engage in coach speak and pleasantries.

all good. Iowa is out next year.

back to anonymity.
 
Today I was told that a big time donor (~500k a year + donates a vehicle) told the HWC that he is now sending his money to Ames, and that they could thank Thomas Gilman and his stunt at Fight Night. Can anyone confirm or deny?
 
Didn't think it was so bad however: I'm not one of those PC people.
Just my opinion anyone born in the 30's sure as heck never let stuff like
this bother them..Some one offend u big deal u would tell them to go and
f&&&k off...Saying kids should not hear this kind of talk lol way they are today
they hear it very early because parents today just think there Johnny can do no wrong..Ok end of my rant...
 
haha. i've never been a heel, crop. do i stir the pot? sure.

but i always call it like i see it.

EDIT

maybe i'm a heel...idk. but i'm not a troll (fishing for reaction) or being disingenuous (to fake a certain persona).
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Heel with a legitimate point, shooting from the hip... You're the Miz.
 
Supposedly the head guy from People's Insurance Agency, who helped sponsor the event. The source who told me would know.
Not the only one. ISU is getting some significant money men changing hands over that debacle. It's too bad as Iowa wrestling isn't in a good spot to begin with. You lose 3-5 significant supporters, and that's rough. The passion on this board around 10 and 15 buck donations is cute, but it doesn't pay the bills.
 
big difference between being respectful to your hosts and talking trash on two guys who have been really open with criticism towards your program.

please explain how Thomas was 'disrespectful' to the hosts.

It's their event, their venue, their community, their reputation, their longtime sacrifice for the sport. Without their effort he does not have the opportunity to put his worst foot forward. A little restraint was called for. Instead of talking about all of the good things the Breitbachs have done for wrestling, social media is discussing the rantings of a self-absorbed, immature young man. If you can't see the harm, so be it.
 
big difference between being respectful to your hosts and talking trash on two guys who have been really open with criticism towards your program.

please explain how Thomas was 'disrespectful' to the hosts.

I thought he basically said FU to anyone who wasn't a fan of his as a hawkeye and started supporting him as a team USA members. I didn't think this took place in Hawkeye territory, so that could have been most of the audience. He did more than just tell off a couple coaches.
 
<<Today I was told that a big time donor (~500k a year + donates a vehicle) told the HWC that he is now sending his money to Ames, and that they could thank Thomas Gilman and his stunt at Fight Night. Can anyone confirm or deny?>>

No truth at all... in any way shape or form.
 
Not the only one. ISU is getting some significant money men changing hands over that debacle. It's too bad as Iowa wrestling isn't in a good spot to begin with. You lose 3-5 significant supporters, and that's rough. The passion on this board around 10 and 15 buck donations is cute, but it doesn't pay the bills.

Money bags must be ok overlooking the fact that the current ISU coach called the Hawkeyes a bunch of pussies. Whatever.
 
The part about telling people that didn't like him before to FU is something I have thought he should feel the whole time. I would feel the exact same as him in the situation.

"Hey I hate you as a person but since your on my team now you are all right" a FU is what is deserved to that person.
 
It's their event, their venue, their community, their reputation, their longtime sacrifice for the sport. Without their effort he does not have the opportunity to put his worst foot forward. A little restraint was called for. Instead of talking about all of the good things the Breitbachs have done for wrestling, social media is discussing the rantings of a self-absorbed, immature young man. If you can't see the harm, so be it.

are you saying the event is supposed to be an opportunity to talk about how awesome the donors are?

sounds super altruistic.

that sounds like what you're saying. it also sounds vain af.

iowa wont be back next year. so the other schools can talk about how awesome the donors are by themselves.
 
The part about telling people that didn't like him before to FU is something I have thought he should feel the whole time. I would feel the exact same as him in the situation.

"Hey I hate you as a person but since your on my team now you are all right" a FU is what is deserved to that person.


I disagree with that part...it didn't need to be said. I get it though. He thinks of Iowa as family...almost like saying I like that guy but I wish he weren't a Gilman.
 
IMO he was trying to keep in the spirit of the evening by trash talking, but there were a couple of serious problems. First, the key to that is being funny. If you're funny it's obvious you're joking and trash talk comes across as good humored, otherwise it just sounds angry. But if you're not gifted at humor it's damn hard to pull that off, and TG is clearly not gifted. He also didn't give any visual clues that he was joking, which combined with the absence of wit made it look like he was stone cold serious.

I think he shouldn't have been out in that position.
 
No one is going to start giving their rival school $500,000 because Thomas Gilman said the F word at some completely insignificant event. It blows my mind the shit people completely make up, and that people are stupid enough to believe it.
Watch the video. If you think it was the F-word, you aren't being genuine. TG should just be glad he was ushered out before Metcalf took him outside.
 
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