FLO's 2020 d1 commitment list

[GogglesPaizano]

Higher prospect than Hall? Ummmmm no! Nolf and Nickal? That is reasonable, but the difference above is marginal at best.

Another big difference is Nolf and Nickal SHOWED they were DI studs the 1st year out of High School. To date, Brooks has not. He may very well prove to be once he is in The PSU room full time. But, let’s not act like he hasn’t been rolling around with elite guys all of this past season.

Innacurate. Nolf and Nickal redshirted that 1st year and to be honest although both were top 10 kids, neither were viewed as sure thing multi year champs.

Comparitively, Hall came in with a stronger resume as does Brooks who has the look of a NC candidate out of the gate this year or next after a shirt.

 

[rossel 33]

No miracle. Every #5 p4p goes 1,1,2 their first 3 years?

Of course not.

Even more rare is a guy not ranked in top 10 goes 1,2,1 in their first 3 years... like Matt McDonough did under Brands.

 

[MSU158]

Innacurate. Nolf and Nickal redshirted that 1st year and to be honest although both were top 10 kids, neither were viewed as sure thing multi year champs.

Comparitively, Hall came in with a stronger resume as does Brooks who has the look of a NC candidate out of the gate this year or next after a shirt.

Not inaccurate. Both showed MAJOR chops as TF’s and THAT is what I was referring to. Hell, Nolf showed he was Finalist potential.....

Look at that 1st season: https://www.wrestlestat.com/wrestler/20303/nolf-jason/profile

 

[IAChief32]

Not inaccurate. Both showed MAJOR chops as TF’s and THAT is what I was referring to. Hell, Nolf showed he was Finalist potential.....

Look at that 1st season: https://www.wrestlestat.com/wrestler/20303/nolf-jason/profile

Plus Bo got injured in the scuffle. Nolf beat that year's runner up in Realbuto and beat a tough Gantt...plus went close with Green. Nolf for sure could have went and been top 5.

 

[rorya]

Or.... another way to rate the recruiting success, would be to weight it by the ranking... so, for example, assign 10 pts for a number 1-10 recruit, 9 pts for a 11-20 recruit and so on, down to 1 pt for recruits ranked 90-200. That would yield the following rating-
1- Okie State= 39
2. Corny- 36
3. Neby- 32
4. VT-28
5. Iowa-25
6.NCst- 22
7. Pee U- 20
8.Rutgers- 8
9. Knights-9
10. Minnie- 6

Weighting it that way, may more accurately reflect the value of that class , in the case of Pee U.....it is actually even a possible UNDER valuation... if their two studs produce bonus points at nationals... fewer number of recruits that year, possibly, frees up ability to recruit more quantity AND quality ( due to momentum/success)....the following year.

 

[24 so far]

Or.... another way to rate the recruiting success, would be to weight it by the ranking... so, for example, assign 10 pts for a number 1-10 recruit, 9 pts for a 11-20 recruit and so on, down to 1 pt for recruits ranked 90-200. That would yield the following rating-
1- Okie State= 39
2. Corny- 36
3. Neby- 32
4. VT-28
5. Iowa-25
6.NCst- 22
7. Pee U- 20
8.Rutgers- 8
9. Knights-9
10. Minnie- 6

Weighting it that way, may more accurately reflect the value of that class , in the case of Pee U.....it is actually even a possible UNDER valuation... if their two studs produce bonus points at nationals... fewer number of recruits that year, possibly, frees up ability to recruit more quantity AND quality ( due to momentum/success)....the following year.

If you get 2 or 3 Top Ten recruits every year for a 10 man team your recruiting Class is #1 or 1A every time.

 

[fizzyskittles]

And if PSU is somehow able to grab #1 Ferrari, they still wouldn't crack the top 8 "leaders" because they still wouldn't have 4 "top 200" guys.... got it.

PSU is trailing badly, I wonder how they'll be able to compete.

I guess this is one of those article that are written just to write something .

 

[MSU158]

If you get 2 or 3 Top Ten recruits every year for a 10 man team your recruiting Class is #1 or 1A every time.

This is very true. But, it does require very few of those to be "swing and misses". Also, they need to be for specifically targeted weights where they jump right into a 4 year starter role, only redshirting if there is a top notch starter at the weight. What has made PSU so great is how Sanderson has consistently been able to do this, only really getting hurt by the Alton bros' injuries.

2011
125-Pataky-inherited with 1 year left
133-Long crucial transfer equivalent to landing a top 10 recruit
141-A. Alton top 10 recruit starts as a TF
149-Molinaro-inherited with 2 years left
157-Taylor-Top 10 recruit starting a 4 year run as a RSFR
165-Vollrath-Beat out inherited top 10 Jake Kemerer(would later transfer)
174-Ruth-Top 10 recruit(inherited) starting a 4 year run as a RSFR
184-Wright-Inherited #12 recruit with 3 years left
197-Ruggear-wrestled as a TF
285-Wade-inherited with 2 years left.

2012
125-Megaludis-Top 10 starts a 4 year run as a TF
133-Martellotti-Losing Long to legal issues kept them from dominating by even more
141-Pearsall-A. Alton redshirts
149-Molinaro-last season
157-D. Alton-Top 10 recruits starts as a RSFR
165-Taylor-continues his 4 year run
174-Ruth-continues his 4 year run
184-Wright-2years left
197-McIntosh-Top 10 starts a 4 year run as a TF.
285-Wade-his last season

2013
125-Megaludis-continues his 4 year run
133-Conaway-#109 recruit starts as a RSFR
141-Pearsall-last season
149-A. Alton- Top 10 recruit, but last season he would start due to injuries
157-D. Alton- 2nd season as a top 10 recruit
165-Taylor-top 10 3rd season
174-Brown- An enigma. Starting in his 2nd season after returing from his religious mission.
184-Ruth-Top 10 in his 3rd season
197-Wright-last season, McIntosh redshirts
285-Lawson- Big name transfer stolen from Football.

2014
125-Megaludis- top 10 in his 3rd year now
133-Gulibon- top 10 and starts as a RSFR
141-Retherford- top 10 and starts as a TF
149- English- worked hard but mainly took spot due to A.Alton injuries.
157-D. Alton-top 10 in his 3rd season
165-Taylor-top 10 in last season
174-Brown-The enigma starting his 2nd season
184-Ruth-top 10 in his last season
197-McIntosh-top 10 in 2nd season after RS.
285-Gingrich-hard worker and stole spot from Lawson

2015 their big reload/redshirt year
125-#109 Conaway with Megaludis RSing
133-Gulibon-top 10 in 2nd season
141-Moss-Retherford redshirting
149-Beitz-A. Alton injured
157-Frey-D.Alton Injured
165-Hammond starts as a RSFR #43 Rasheed rsing
174-Brown-Enigmas last year with top 10 Nickal rsing
184-McCutcheon starts as a RSFR.
197-McIntosh Top 10 in 3rd season
285-Lawson top football transfer in last season
Will the rest later.................

2016
125-Megaludis last season as a 4 year starter
133-Conaway #109 in 3rd year as a starter
141-Gulibon top 10 in 3rd year as a starter
149-Retherford top 10 in 2nd year as a starter
157-Nolf top 10 starting as a RSFR.
165-Morelli best out Rasheed with Joseph RSing
174-Nickal top 10 starting as a RSFR
184-McCutcheon starting 2nd season
197-McIntosh top 10 in last season
285-Nevills top 10 starting as a RSFR

2017
125-Suriano top 10 steps right in as a TF after Mega
133-Law-rough weight
141-Gulibon-top 10 in last season
149-Retherford top 10 in 3rd season
157-Nolf top 10 in 2nd season
165-Joseph top 10 starting as a RSFR
174-Hall top 10 starting as a TF
184-Nickal top 10 in 2nd season
197-McCutcheon starts 3rd season
285-Nevills top 10 starts 2nd season

2018
125-Kuhn late transfer due to Suriano leaving
133-Keener-solid transfer from CMU
141-Lee top 10 starting as a TF
149-Retherford top 10 in last season
157-Nolf top 10 in 3rd season
165-Joseph top 10 in 2nd season
174-Hall top 10 in 2nd season
184-Nickal top 10 on 3rd season
197-Rasheed #43 finally found a weight to fit in
285-Nevills top 10 in 3rd season

2019
125-Schnupp-rough weight
133-RBY-top 12 starts as a TF
141-Lee top 10 in 2nd season
149-Berge top 10 starts as RSFR
157-Nolf top 10 last season
165-Joseph top 10 in 3rd season
174-Hall top 10 in 3rd season
184-Rasheed #43 starts his 2nd season
197-Nickal top 10 in last season
285-Cassar seriously under ranked beats out top 10 Nevills after multiple injuries.

2020
125-Teske #34 likely to start as a RSFR
133-RBY top 12 likely to start 2nd season
141-Lee top 10 likely to start 3rd season
149-Verkleeren #20 likely to start 1st season
157-Berge top 10 likely to start 2nd season
165-Joseph top 10 in last season
174-Hall top 10 in last season
184-Rasheed #43 3rd season
197-Beard top 11 likely to start as aRSFR
285-Cassar

If not for issues with Suriano and Teasedale they could have 8 top 11s in the lineup. This just shows how good Sanderson is at identifying needs and then landing the best possible recruit to step into that need right when needed.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Can you share some links or audio links where you shared this insight prior to these events occurring? You have a wide open forum where I am certain you implied that Suriano was a transfer risk when he committed. Feel free to enlighten us rubes to where you said, wrote or implied these deep thoughts.

I am assuming that you choose not to share examples of your clairvoyance?

 

[Media Fan]

Id say 98% of the time if PA has produced a top 10 P4P kid and Cael wanted him...he got him.

He would have never had that pull through rate for PA kids at Iowa State. He took the easy path to being a better coach. Move to where they are.

Before coach Sanderson got to PSU, it was one of the most underperforming teams in all collegiate athletics for many, many years.
And something I do not believe enough attention has been placed on, Ohio State was also a very poorly performing team before coach Ryan got there.
Clearly coach Sanderson cheats ( the ncaa has said so on any number of occasions), and therefore, obviously coach Ryan must have been cheating as well.
But somehow, I guess magically Iowa never cheated when it won.
Isn’t life remarkable.

 

[Media Fan]

Two additions to the conversation. It was rumored that Manville went into the ROTC program at PSU, so he cost the team nothing in scholarship money, so who wouldn't take a guy like Manville for free. Manville's father is a retired Colonel (I believe) from the military, so ROTC didn't come as a surprise when I heard it. Nolf, didn't do much freestyle in high school and I don't think he ever tried to make a world team.

I believe he is also a Greco wrestler and the last time I looked, the Army Greco program was being run in State College. I guess that’s another cheating thing to some here.

 

[cidhawkeye]

I believe he is also a Greco wrestler and the last time I looked, the Army Greco program was being run in State College. I guess that’s another cheating thing to some here.

Uh oh, someone had their feelings hurt by something that was said on an opposing teams website. Would you like people to post something nice to help you out?

 

[pablow]

Before coach Sanderson got to PSU, it was one of the most underperforming teams in all collegiate athletics for many, many years.
And something I do not believe enough attention has been placed on, Ohio State was also a very poorly performing team before coach Ryan got there.
Clearly coach Sanderson cheats ( the ncaa has said so on any number of occasions), and therefore, obviously coach Ryan must have been cheating as well.
But somehow, I guess magically Iowa never cheated when it won.
Isn’t life remarkable.

THE OSU cheats at everything.

BTW, the NCAA bans some, but not all, cheating. It depends whether they like or dislike the particular cheating.

 

[wasdt21]

media fan is such a little whiner. it's like he doesn't know where he is.

 

[Gray52]

If you get 2 or 3 Top Ten recruits every year for a 10 man team your recruiting Class is #1 or 1A every time.

Or the other recruiting model. 1-2 top 10, and fill in the blanks with transfers.

I believe he is also a Greco wrestler and the last time I looked, the Army Greco program was being run in State College. I guess that’s another cheating thing to some here.

Yes, Manville is an ROTC student. He costs PSU nothing. His focus is Greco first, then folk, in that order. I think that’s obvious by his results.

 

[rossel 33]

Grey52

Yes, Manville is an ROTC student. His focus is Greco first, then folk, in that order. I think that’s obvious by his results.

Yes... it's pretty obvious Manville was a slouch outside of Greco....he was Sr national GR champ afterall representing USA at Sr World Championship.

But in the Cadet World Freestyle Championships, Manville was only the gold medalist, and was only ranked #5 p4p coming out of HS. Can't expect Cael to do much with lowly recruits like that.

 

[el dub]

Before coach Sanderson got to PSU, it was one of the most underperforming teams in all collegiate athletics for many, many years.
And something I do not believe enough attention has been placed on, Ohio State was also a very poorly performing team before coach Ryan got there.
Clearly coach Sanderson cheats ( the ncaa has said so on any number of occasions), and therefore, obviously coach Ryan must have been cheating as well.
But somehow, I guess magically Iowa never cheated when it won.
Isn’t life remarkable.

Bingo! We have a winner! Thank you for playing.

 

[lookleft goright]

This is very true. But, it does require very few of those to be "swing and misses". Also, they need to be for specifically targeted weights where they jump right into a 4 year starter role, only redshirting if there is a top notch starter at the weight. What has made PSU so great is how Sanderson has consistently been able to do this, only really getting hurt by the Alton bros' injuries.

2011
125-Pataky-inherited with 1 year left
133-Long crucial transfer equivalent to landing a top 10 recruit
141-A. Alton top 10 recruit starts as a TF
149-Molinaro-inherited with 2 years left
157-Taylor-Top 10 recruit starting a 4 year run as a RSFR
165-Vollrath-Beat out inherited top 10 Jake Kemerer(would later transfer)
174-Ruth-Top 10 recruit(inherited) starting a 4 year run as a RSFR
184-Wright-Inherited #12 recruit with 3 years left
197-Ruggear-wrestled as a TF
285-Wade-inherited with 2 years left.

2012
125-Megaludis-Top 10 starts a 4 year run as a TF
133-Martellotti-Losing Long to legal issues kept them from dominating by even more
141-Pearsall-A. Alton redshirts
149-Molinaro-last season
157-D. Alton-Top 10 recruits starts as a RSFR
165-Taylor-continues his 4 year run
174-Ruth-continues his 4 year run
184-Wright-2years left
197-McIntosh-Top 10 starts a 4 year run as a TF.
285-Wade-his last season

2013
125-Megaludis-continues his 4 year run
133-Conaway-#109 recruit starts as a RSFR
141-Pearsall-last season
149-A. Alton- Top 10 recruit, but last season he would start due to injuries
157-D. Alton- 2nd season as a top 10 recruit
165-Taylor-top 10 3rd season
174-Brown- An enigma. Starting in his 2nd season after returing from his religious mission.
184-Ruth-Top 10 in his 3rd season
197-Wright-last season, McIntosh redshirts
285-Lawson- Big name transfer stolen from Football.

2014
125-Megaludis- top 10 in his 3rd year now
133-Gulibon- top 10 and starts as a RSFR
141-Retherford- top 10 and starts as a TF
149- English- worked hard but mainly took spot due to A.Alton injuries.
157-D. Alton-top 10 in his 3rd season
165-Taylor-top 10 in last season
174-Brown-The enigma starting his 2nd season
184-Ruth-top 10 in his last season
197-McIntosh-top 10 in 2nd season after RS.
285-Gingrich-hard worker and stole spot from Lawson

2015 their big reload/redshirt year
125-#109 Conaway with Megaludis RSing
133-Gulibon-top 10 in 2nd season
141-Moss-Retherford redshirting
149-Beitz-A. Alton injured
157-Frey-D.Alton Injured
165-Hammond starts as a RSFR #43 Rasheed rsing
174-Brown-Enigmas last year with top 10 Nickal rsing
184-McCutcheon starts as a RSFR.
197-McIntosh Top 10 in 3rd season
285-Lawson top football transfer in last season
Will the rest later.................

2016
125-Megaludis last season as a 4 year starter
133-Conaway #109 in 3rd year as a starter
141-Gulibon top 10 in 3rd year as a starter
149-Retherford top 10 in 2nd year as a starter
157-Nolf top 10 starting as a RSFR.
165-Morelli best out Rasheed with Joseph RSing
174-Nickal top 10 starting as a RSFR
184-McCutcheon starting 2nd season
197-McIntosh top 10 in last season
285-Nevills top 10 starting as a RSFR

2017
125-Suriano top 10 steps right in as a TF after Mega
133-Law-rough weight
141-Gulibon-top 10 in last season
149-Retherford top 10 in 3rd season
157-Nolf top 10 in 2nd season
165-Joseph top 10 starting as a RSFR
174-Hall top 10 starting as a TF
184-Nickal top 10 in 2nd season
197-McCutcheon starts 3rd season
285-Nevills top 10 starts 2nd season

2018
125-Kuhn late transfer due to Suriano leaving
133-Keener-solid transfer from CMU
141-Lee top 10 starting as a TF
149-Retherford top 10 in last season
157-Nolf top 10 in 3rd season
165-Joseph top 10 in 2nd season
174-Hall top 10 in 2nd season
184-Nickal top 10 on 3rd season
197-Rasheed #43 finally found a weight to fit in
285-Nevills top 10 in 3rd season

2019
125-Schnupp-rough weight
133-RBY-top 12 starts as a TF
141-Lee top 10 in 2nd season
149-Berge top 10 starts as RSFR
157-Nolf top 10 last season
165-Joseph top 10 in 3rd season
174-Hall top 10 in 3rd season
184-Rasheed #43 starts his 2nd season
197-Nickal top 10 in last season
285-Cassar seriously under ranked beats out top 10 Nevills after multiple injuries.

2020
125-Teske #34 likely to start as a RSFR
133-RBY top 12 likely to start 2nd season
141-Lee top 10 likely to start 3rd season
149-Verkleeren #20 likely to start 1st season
157-Berge top 10 likely to start 2nd season
165-Joseph top 10 in last season
174-Hall top 10 in last season
184-Rasheed #43 3rd season
197-Beard top 11 likely to start as aRSFR
285-Cassar

If not for issues with Suriano and Teasedale they could have 8 top 11s in the lineup. This just shows how good Sanderson is at identifying needs and then landing the best possible recruit to step into that need right when needed.

I think one of the most underrated skills Sanderson has is the ability to get guys to move around in weight classes and still be successful. I do not know if he is in these guys heads to make them able to move around or if he just teaches a style that it does not matter so much what weight they wrestle or what. It is obvious that he goes for athletic kids, but to have the track record of success with those kids he has had, he must be doing something that others have not figured out how to do yet. Gable was the master of it in his day and it seems like Sanderson is doing it now.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Grey52

Yes... it's pretty obvious Manville was a slouch outside of Greco....he was Sr national GR champ afterall representing USA at Sr World Championship.

But in the Cadet World Freestyle Championships, Manville was only the gold medalist, and was only ranked #5 p4p coming out of HS. Can't expect Cael to do much with lowly recruits like that.

Did Smalls predict issues? He is pretty good at that, just ask him. Just don’t ask him to support it.

 

[smalls103]

"Why They’re Not Higher:

The reality is that as good as Mason Manville is - a Top 5 talent - where does he fit in? These are the final prospect rankings of the guys Mason would have to beat out in order to start: 157: Nolf - #4, 165: Joseph - #3, 174: Hall - #1. I just don’t see where Penn State gets value out of Manville. If they do, this class could certainly end up more valuable than NC State’s."

https://www.flowrestling.org/rankin...3-2016-recruiting-class-rankings#.WRI2U1MrJE4

you should probably read the source of this entire thread.

 

[hoythawk]

I think one of the most underrated skills Sanderson has is the ability to get guys to move around in weight classes and still be successful. I do not know if he is in these guys heads to make them able to move around or if he just teaches a style that it does not matter so much what weight they wrestle or what. It is obvious that he goes for athletic kids, but to have the track record of success with those kids he has had, he must be doing something that others have not figured out how to do yet. Gable was the master of it in his day and it seems like Sanderson is doing it now.

I assume this is sarcasm because it is pretty stupid if it isn't. The reason his guys can bump up weights is because he has the top kids in the country at each weight. Spencer Lee could go 133 and wreck guys without needing Sam Calavitta pimping his magic wheaties. Shaq and Cassar couldn't bump those classes without the mad scientist. Bo could simply because he is better than everyone.

 

[slushhead]

I assume this is sarcasm because it is pretty stupid if it isn't. The reason his guys can bump up weights is because he has the top kids in the country at each weight. Spencer Lee could go 133 and wreck guys without needing Sam Calavitta pimping his magic wheaties. Shaq and Cassar couldn't bump those classes without the mad scientist. Bo could simply because he is better than everyone.

You sure about that? Upper tier guys, or just 'guys'?

on your Shak and Cassar comment.