Where?This is what you said. players don't understand the coaching. I said this is a coaching problem more than a player one.
Where?This is what you said. players don't understand the coaching. I said this is a coaching problem more than a player one.
Excuse me, but what about McC's first born?This is where I think I disagree with many on here. My belief is that ultimately the performance of any college team is 100% on the head coach. They recruit the players. They develop the players. They direct the players, develop game plans, and manage every game from start to finish. From a player perspective basketball isn't rocket science. They do what they're told or they sit.
Fran is a gifted offensive-minded coach. By extension his teams play effective, efficient offense. Fran deserves all the credit for that. Fran's teams often have not played effective defense and at times have been absolutely crushed on the boards. He's open to criticism for that. I think in terms of game management Fran is more likely to make a substitution after a bad turnover than he is a missed defensive assignment or rebounds. It's just his DNA and this is reflected in the way the team plays. If you don't want your minutes limited in the first half you're better off allowing a drive by than risk a potential second foul and a seat on the bench..
Patrick is probably the most direct reflection of Fran's mindset. He rarely collects fouls in the first half and I don't recall him ever collecting a second. He averages less than 1 foul per game in conference play as a forward. That seems like a good thing but it reflects a less aggressive defense. We all know how important rebounding is to this team's success. Although his rebounding production has increased over the course of the year Patrick was much more likely to be leaking out for a fast break than securing a defensive rebound. I don't think he's deciding to do that on his own. He's doing what he thinks Fran wants him to do and that meant an emphasis on transition offense. If it wasn't then Fran needs to correct that. If Patrick still fails to crash the glass then Fran controls the minutes. If Fran doesn't respond accordingly, I don't get frustrated with the player, I get frustrated with the coaching.
Perhaps you could provide links to all your brilliant and insightful comments on this board so that we can learn how to do it right, Maybe you also have a link to official message board banter rules. TIA.You guys have done a great job and made some awesome points. Kudos to you two! I love reading all of these thoughtful contributions to our board and hope they can continue so I don't have a chance to read anything of actual substance. Again, great job arguing, you both really proved your points, well done!
Not sure I follow. This wasn't about anybody’s son in particular. It was about whether a given issue can ultimately be attributed to the players or the coach. I was just using Patrick as an example of a player whose style of play most closely aligns with Fran's emphasis on uptempo offensive transition offense. Patrick's focus, particularly over the first half of the year, has been on transition to offense vs securing the rebounds and playing less aggressively on the defensive end in order to avoid fouls. The statistics bear this out although Patrick has been more of a factor on the boards of late. I can only assume that Fran has asked him to be more active on the boards and less prone to release before the rebound is secured. In conference he's averaging 2.5 fewer boards per 40 than the other forwards in the rotation and that includes Sandfort. He's plenty athletic enough to be more of a factor so that's not the issue.Excuse me, but what about McC's first born?
Are you looking at one son only? Hmmmm.
Fran is a gifted offensive-minded coach... Fran's teams often have not played effective defense and at times have been absolutely crushed on the boards. ...
Patrick is probably the most direct reflection of Fran's mindset. ...
Excuse me, but what about McC's first born?
Are you looking at one son only? Hmmmm.
LOL.Not sure I follow. This wasn't about anybody’s son in particular
I like Tony a lot, but when he first entered the starting lineup he seemed to be an offensive liability. I wasn't aware he had a shoulder injury which was apparently hampering his shot. After the last couple of games he is proving his worth and showing his insertion into the starting lineup was the right move. He has always been a baller on defense.Inserting Tony into the starting line up also seemed to jump start everyone. The guy just hustles on both ends.
You're the one that brought up the father-son connection and Cmac. I never mentioned him.LOL.
LOLYou're the one that brought up the father-son connection and Cmac. I never mentioned him.
Yep.Mich beat # 3 Purdue by 24 points and MSU by 17 points but you are saying that Iowa is clearly the superior team and should waltz into Crisler and win by 10?
I have to come back and eat crow. This is the first year ever Fran's team has finished strong. They finished great at the end of the season and in the conference championship.At least Alford's teams peaked at the end of the year, Fran's teams usually tank.
Maybe there is one, but can anyone give example of Fran's teams peaking at the end of the year?
Anything happen after that?I have to come back and eat crow. This is the first year ever Fran's team has finished strong. They finished great at the end of the season and in the conference championship.
Glass houses - how about those Badgers? Barely beat Colgate then couldn't score 50 points in their second game. Wowsa, no room to talk.Anything happen after that?
Well, there's a little room.Glass houses - how about those Badgers? Barely beat Colgate then couldn't score 50 points in their second game. Wowsa, no room to talk.
Given WI's performance in their last 3 games, there's no doubt that the Spiders would've taken down your team, too. They flop better than Davidson.Well, there's a little room.
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Wait, it was the flopping that lost the game for Iowa? I thought it was the too-orange ball.Given WI's performance in their last 3 games, there's no doubt that the Spiders would've taken down your team, too. They flop better than Davidson.
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Nope. Both Iowa and Wisconsin underperformed. That much is true. Your team just had an extra game of embarrassment.Wait, it was the flopping that lost the game for Iowa? I thought it was the too-orange ball.
Embarrassing that we are resorting to this as Iowa fans to feel good about our NCAA tournament results.Nope. Both Iowa and Wisconsin underperformed. That much is true. Your team just had an extra game of embarrassment.
Edit: That B1G tournament championship was nice. Too bad Iowa didn't beat the heck out of the Badgers in the process, but a [RECORD SETTING] tournament championship is a [RECORD SETTING] tournament championship.
This has nothing to do with that. It's about the Badgers' colossal collapse to end the season, then their early exit from the B1G Tournament, then their inability to score in the NCAA Tournament.Embarrassing that we are resorting to this as Iowa fans to feel good about our NCAA tournament results.
We underperformed less.Nope. Both Iowa and Wisconsin underperformed. That much is true. Your team just had an extra game of embarrassment.
Edit: That B1G tournament championship was nice. Too bad Iowa didn't beat the heck out of the Badgers in the process, but a [RECORD SETTING] tournament championship is a [RECORD SETTING] tournament championship.
And your shit show was played pretty much as a home game and lost to Iowa's little sister besides losing at home to Nebraska in the Kohl centerWe underperformed less.
No one but low majors give a shit about conference tournaments because that's the only way to get into the tourney. Wisconsin is Big Ten Champions, you guys put together a nice weekend.