Iowa had a good look to tie in the last 20 seconds of the Mich ...hardly having their arse handed to them as Brew said.
Hawks do not play defense and rebound great but I do not attribute it to a lack of effort.
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Hawks do not play defense and rebound great but I do not attribute it to a lack of effort.
We were down 12 with 3:30 to go and then decided to start playing harder. The effort difference was very noticeable and did put us in a position to tie the game. I think the team realized at that point what it took effort-wise to be successful and it has carried over to subsequent games.
Prior to that they were losing to a team at home that they had no business losing to. This is why I think we'll see a different outcome tomorrow night (with better effort from the jump). It's like a switch flipped the last few minutes of that game. Glad it happened. Don't know why we haven't seen that level of exertion prior to now.
People in that they aren’t cheaters and you would feel good about their kid playing for them. People can be separated from coach.
I disagree.
We lost to Purdue and il 1 time because the refs are crooked or worthless. Pu just outplayed em at cha though
Coulda beat mi if we had just a decent night shooting.
Mich beat # 3 Purdue by 24 points and MSU by 17 points but you are saying that Iowa is clearly the superior team and should waltz into Crisler and win by 10?
So Iowa is 34 points better than Purdue who already beat us twice.
So in your opinion Iowa is clearly the best team in the league if they gave better effort and had a better coach?
I disagree. Keegan was cramping the last ten minutes of that Mich game and I doubt it was a"lazy" effort that caused it.
Transitive property is a slippery slope.
To answer your question, yes if we played with the same effort on defense and hit the boards as hard the first half of the season we would be leading the league. Many of us have been calling for it for years and when it finally does happen, look at the results.
That's on the coaches.
Watch us take Michigan out behind the woodshed tomorrow night.
If only you were coaching...oh wait, you're not a coach!
Don't quit your day job!
There we go again. The true fan knows everything.
You say something dumb it’s going to garner a response. If a coach is running something the players don’t get then it’s bad coaching.
It would be like a teacher giving a test that the students are not prepared for.
Iowa’s defensive/rebounding challenges under Fran are not merely an effort problem. For a majority of Frans tenure his teams have played hard. Under Fran the teams defensive/rebounding woes have been due to personnel and scheme issues. For example, a lack of athleticism in the backcourt, or a lack of a shot blocker in the front court. Additionally, Frans teams have struggled to learn and perfect all of Frans different defensive schemes.
Iowa does not have the best players in the big ten. In my opinion, Purdue, Illinois, Wisconsin, and a healthy Ohio State have better players then Iowa. One could argue that the Michigan schools have better players then Iowa, and Rutgers/Indiana have at least as good of players as Iowa.
This
TP has elevated the defensive side and intensity. Almost every game he gets in a passing lane or gets a steal for a break away opportunity. Sometimes multiple times a game.
Everyone agrees that the team wasn't doing so well in December.
However, ripping on a team and coach on a message board when they aren't performing well is an easy, cheap hack. Sticking with them and waiting patiently for them to come into their own is a lot more difficult and takes discipline.
The issue here isn't about honest assessments about the team, but how many "fans" like this Larry dude take the easy way out and rip on the team when they're down, which is especially ironic since the team's discipline is one of the major criticisms.
You want to be or support that kind of message board fan, that's fine; you'll have plenty of company. But my take is that you need to own it when that team turns it around after you've given up on them. That's the respectable thing to do.
You can't really say someone's given up if they're still here and watching games.
I don't see what's wrong with saying they were garbage vs ISU...I'd hope the team would say the same....
I agree this team is playing better and appears to be on a roll. My dream is they get very hot and make a deep run in the ncaa or win the big tourney. That said, my complaint is this is year 12 for Fran, I don’t feel complaining about Iowa basketball and it’s average performance for the last 25+ years is out of bounds.
LOL wow. Someone is the straw man guy here, and it ain't me.
"Nowhere did I or anyone say that the team isn't playing better now"
I know that. I never said that. You, literally, just said this tho. It's your quote.
"or that people aren't allowed to root for Iowa anymore"
I know that. I never said that either. You, literally, just said this tho. It's your quote.
One poster, perhaps your friend, made it CLEAR he wished the critics couldn't enjoy the team any more. Hence, my post.
This ain't hard, man. But continue spiraling down the not making sense drain if you wish.
Edit: ahaha it was you!
Enlighten me, what then did you mean by this:
What an absolutely retarded thing to post.
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Again, is someone wants to post knee-jerk comments about how the team is trash and coach needs to go, that’s fine; it’s a free board and we see this all the time. Just own it when your comments don’t age well and you’re called out on it. You can be frustrated with a team without trashing them. Doubling down to defend yourself is cowardly.
I’m not suggesting that I’m above making such comments. I’ve been hard on KF, but I’ve owned it when my comments ultimately didn’t age well. I’ll do the same if BF ever proves my harsh criticism wrong (not holding my breath on that one).
We can go back and forth over semantics and literal meaning of posts until the cows come home. Straw man this, straw man that, etc.
Maybe you like that game.
What it boils down to is, you said this:
"If only there were some way for fans like you to not be able to enjoy the fruits of winning as much as fans who have stuck with these guys through thick and thin"
Maybe you like that game.
What it boils down to is, you said this:
"If only there were some way for fans like you to not be able to enjoy the fruits of winning as much as fans who have stuck with these guys through thick and thin"
You’re not very good at this. I don’t have the time or inclination to explain how you have not interpreted one thing I have said correctly, but you haven’t. You are arguing against points I have not made, and your entire last post makes no sense whatsoever.
Keep trying though. You sound very impressed with yourself.
Please point out the part in bold that says fans aren’t allowed to cheer. That was your counter - straw man.
Fans are allowed to cheer.
You are right.
Dang it.
If only there was some way, where they couldn't enjoy the fruits of this team winning...
Oh wait.
Someone already said that.
You guys have done a great job and made some awesome points. Kudos to you two! I love reading all of these thoughtful contributions to our board and hope they can continue so I don't have a chance to read anything of actual substance. Again, great job arguing, you both really proved your points, well done!
LOL right?
I believe this happened before when it was revealed one of the posters was on the spectrum!
Oops!
Perhaps Meet The Ferentz is too? I don't know. If so, it's all good, man. Go Hawks.
I believe this happened before when it was revealed one of the posters was on the spectrum!
Oops!
Perhaps Meet The Ferentz is too? I don't know. If so, it's all good, man. Go Hawks.
you believed that players not knowing what they are doing is a player problem not a coaching one. Someone should question that logic.
I didn't say thay. You said the players didn't know what to do and blamed that on coaching. That logic is flawed and simplistic.
I see it as not executing. There is a difference, and inconsistency early points to a lack of execution, which is more likely a player issue, especially when some players seem to be better able to execute consistently than others.
Why ask about the NBA? Their performance in college is the thing that matters.
This is where I think I disagree with many on here. My belief is that ultimately the performance of any college team is 100% on the head coach. They recruit the players. They develop the players. They direct the players, develop game plans, and manage every game from start to finish. From a player perspective basketball isn't rocket science. They do what they're told or they sit.
Fran is a gifted offensive-minded coach. By extension his teams play effective, efficient offense. Fran deserves all the credit for that. Fran's teams often have not played effective defense and at times have been absolutely crushed on the boards. He's open to criticism for that. I think in terms of game management Fran is more likely to make a substitution after a bad turnover than he is a missed defensive assignment or rebounds. It's just his DNA and this is reflected in the way the team plays. If you don't want your minutes limited in the first half you're better off allowing a drive by than risk a potential second foul and a seat on the bench..
Patrick is probably the most direct reflection of Fran's mindset. He rarely collects fouls in the first half and I don't recall him ever collecting a second. He averages less than 1 foul per game in conference play as a forward. That seems like a good thing but it reflects a less aggressive defense. We all know how important rebounding is to this team's success. Although his rebounding production has increased over the course of the year Patrick was much more likely to be leaking out for a fast break than securing a defensive rebound. I don't think he's deciding to do that on his own. He's doing what he thinks Fran wants him to do and that meant an emphasis on transition offense. If it wasn't then Fran needs to correct that. If Patrick still fails to crash the glass then Fran controls the minutes. If Fran doesn't respond accordingly, I don't get frustrated with the player, I get frustrated with the coaching.
I would like to think we could be higher than 42nd on this list. The number of NBA players from a school typically reflect the overall recruiting abilities of a program and based on this list, seem to correlate well with team success.
Colleges with the most players on 2021-22 NBA opening day rosters
We're taking a look at which Division I schools NBA players on 2021-22 opening day rosters went to.
www.ncaa.com
This is what you said. players don't understand the coaching. I said this is a coaching problem more than a player one.
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