From gambling allegations to this---Cody Chittum be gone? What's next?
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I thought it has been well established that Nick left because he isn't a fan of dodgeball and was getting worked over in the dodgeball matches in the room.
Need? Or maybe want? I think you’d like to have someone that has experience in handling a college administration, the NCAA, Wrestler parents, the locker room, managing high-level wrestlers competing for the same spot, etc.
On the flipside:
I think Iowa's floor, if you just had the median coaching in Division I wrestling, is what they have achieved since 2011.
In other words, I question the value that the Brands add to the effort/equation.
Like it or not, this is the reality. TnT are likely the coaches for as long as they want, especially if we keep packing Carver.
Time to get comfortable hoping for 2nd/3rd until Cael retires.
I feel nauseous.
"Anthony Ferrari's commitment and his plans to join the program — he has not officially signed yet, but projects at 157/165 — rubbed Chittum the wrong way. He didn't dive into details in his brief conversation with the Register, but he allowed that he'd rather leave Iowa City than be teammates with the Ferraris."
That is all the sense there is to be made of it.
For anybody doubting the "Ferrari Effect".
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Things changed in March, when Anthony Ferrari announced his commitment to the Hawkeyes.
Ferrari, who announced his commitment on Instagram, is the middle Ferrari brother, between oldest brother A.J. and younger brother Angelo. They are all talented wrestlers, but the two oldest brothers have been marred by off-the-mat issues.
Anthony Ferrari's commitment and his plans to join the program — he has not officially signed yet, but projects at 157/165 — rubbed Chittum the wrong way. He didn't dive into details in his brief conversation with the Register, but he allowed that he'd rather leave Iowa City than be teammates with the Ferraris."
Yeah. He cleared himself to continue to play on a broken ankle. That's what PSU meant whenever it said "He's down in the room practicing right now."
why am I not surprised? And, why would I not be surprised if ISU is not his final destination? To me this says more about Chittum than it does TNT.
Let ISU now deal with getting his blessing for future recruits.
Let ISU now deal with getting his blessing for future recruits.
The Ferrari story is cover for "ISU offered more $"
*Edit: I've changed my mind on this, I don't believe this to be the case.
*Edit: I've changed my mind on this, I don't believe this to be the case.
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Seriously? Do you want to argue just to argue now? I am pretty confident Terry would have ended up with Tom at some point, regardless of where it was. He has gone on record as saying he hated the CEO part of the Head Coach position.
Either way, "TOM" had VTech ready to go. Whenever/if ever Terry followed, I think they would have done nearly as well as Cael was doing at ISU...
Will you never just admit you miswrote (aka made an honest mistake)? 🤣
I don't want DT as a coach at Iowa. No thanks
To be CLEAR TO ALL, I am NOT saying that many of the TNT criticisms are unwarranted. Most are. What I have issue with is those calling for their replacement WITHOUT a clear candidate that can do as well, let alone achieve the nearly impossible task of dethroning PSU.
Mind you, even if you think DT is a Gable/Cael like ''generational coach", he hasn't done a THING as a DI coach. Remember, NEITHER Gable nor Sanderson were given Iowa or PSU without first gaining coaching experience at the DI level. On top of that, he is still competing. At the very least you make sure he is done and 100% dedicated to coaching before you even consider that hire...
Mind you, even if you think DT is a Gable/Cael like ''generational coach", he hasn't done a THING as a DI coach. Remember, NEITHER Gable nor Sanderson were given Iowa or PSU without first gaining coaching experience at the DI level. On top of that, he is still competing. At the very least you make sure he is done and 100% dedicated to coaching before you even consider that hire...
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Trust me, I am as hard on myself as ANYONE. I just replied to the TNT post about them somewhere else.. I was well aware of where both were when Tom was at VTech. Hell my post even elaborated as to why.
I will happily say it was just Tom at VTech at the time. You want to call that a "mistake". Sure, I will gladly own that. But, I DID know exactly where both were at the time, so it isn't exactly the mistake you want it to be...
When chittum verbally committed but never signed, I told people on here I will believe him wrestling for Iowa when I see it. So although I do think TNT have mismanaged things, I am not certain that chittum was ever all in. Also, I will guess, as others have, that he doesn't use all of his eligibility at ISU.
Backstory? For real? You realize I was posting on themat back when Metcalf was at VTech, right? I was coaching in Michigan at the time Metcalf was in High School. I followed him rather closely. I was fully aware of his recruiting and who was there at the time.
Even when I was wrestling, I had a TON of respect for both Brands. I then thought the intensity of Tom was perfect to match Brent's. Add in the fact that I was very unhappy with how MSU wrestling was going and the Athletic Department wanted no part of anything I said(still don't, although I feel Roger and Chris are doing about as well as they can for what they are working with) and I found someone else to root for.
Hell, if they stayed at VTech, there is a pretty good chance I wouldn't even be posting on here now...
That sounds more like it, Ferrari’s have had minimal contact with our program, and Anthony’s visit seemed to go well with what he posted on instagram. Seeing this is a big second chance for him, I doubt he is dumb enough to start a fight with Iowa’s top recruit. Chittum has moved around a lot starting in high school. On 3rd college now before ever enrolling in college. Kind embarrassing clones could out bud us. Reminds me alittle of that football player switching to Alabama last minute for better offer, but at least he also went to better team. He could have been an important piece of championship team in a few years, that isn’t happening in Ames, especially after Carr leaves. Hope Ferrari’s did fall in love with jersey again. There had to be a reason they left.
3 team titles in 9 years.
Reality is that Brands would kill for that kind of success since 2011.
I don't think either are better than about what the median coach in D1 is by the way. Just guys, no better or worse.
You are really not good at reading tea leaves.
You can't ignore his team finishes at the NCAAs. It shows there's a floor below being where we have been (2nd).
Seriously? Add context. Zalesky INHERITED probably Gable's best team of his entire career. Once those guys graduated, Iowa dropped quite fast. Hell, by the end of his career, Zalesky was losing to Northwestern. There is NO argument that Zalesky was on track to keep Iowa a trophy team every year, let alone get back on top like Brands did in 2020 and 2021.
Tom won 3 when he had a double recruiting class, and 1 in the last 11 years.
Brands- 8,1,1,1,3,3,4,4,2,5,4,3,4,1,3,2
Zalesky- 1,1,1,2,4,8,2,7,4
Zalesky won 3 and then was fired after 6 seasons without a title. Brands has won 1 title in the last 12 years.
Again, I don't like or dislike either guy. They're just guys though, JZ and TB, as coaches.
I think it's also important to put context on Iowa in the Brands era another way: PSU has won 10 national titles since 2011. Those years, Iowa has finished runners up 2 times. It's not even just this PSU juggernaut keeping them from Iowa glory. They are in the thick of a lot of other teams chasing.
Anyway, it's real simple to me, Iowa can keep TB or some assistant/variant and win 1 or 2 a decade while PSU cares about wrestling, or they can change their philosophy and try to actually get on equal footing. It's not like Iowa is going to fall back to 8th annually either way.
Careful what you wish for. The wrong coach can EASILY drop them down to 8th. You act like Iowa is an "easy" job because of its notoriety. The actual fact is, very much the opposite. The Brand BLEED Black and Gold. Good luck finding another truly qualified staff that feels the same.
Let's say you go get David Taylor. With PSU loaded like they are now, when do you realistically think he gets Iowa competing with them? By that time, Cael decides to retire. DT takes that job and nearly all his recruits at Iowa follow him. What happens to Iowa then? Because, make no mistake, DT would leave for PSU in a heartbeat and no one could blame him.
My contention with most on here is the armchair style in which coaching at the DI level is gauged. The amount of work that goes into it is beyond ridiculous. Add on NIL now and the coach has to become a salesman and housemom more than a coach. Even then, kids can transfer if they don't like the way their fart smelled during practice.
Zalesky was absolutely an inferior coach to Brands. Brands is not doing especially well these days either.
Yes. That's the kind of backstory I was referring to, albeit with a few more details. There's no negative connotation to the term "backstory" that I'm aware of. It's like a super hero "origin" story.
But you could admit, all of it taken into consideration, it was funny for you to write in a way that indicated both Tom and Terry were primed at VT. But since you didn't, sure enough more backstory, and again with the "if they stayed."
We we better be getting all 3 Ferrari’s if what pushed Chittum out the door. To me unless they come in, behave and win titles, their risk was not worth Chittum leaving.
a history or background, especially one created for a fictional character in a motion picture or television program.
If that isn't what you meant, use a different word that fits better.
I replied to some that used TNT somewhere else as a possible knock and I said , "I think they were prime to do VERY well at VTech." "They" can be singular, if you want to be an ass. Still, they WERE prime to do well there and I do 100% stand by thinking Terry would eventually follow him anywhere.
Primed-make (something) ready for use or action. VTech was in fact primed to do well.
Regardless, I find it beyond comical that you follow me all over here and think you are somehow going to tell me how I think and feel, let alone how I did 16 years ago. Thanks for your help!
I try to advise my niece, a Millenial who suffers from a lot of anxiety, that rather than get wrapped around negative future realities that are contrived only from her mental gymnastics, maybe she'd feel a lot better if she only tried to live in the moment more and take life as it comes.
Step 1 - Would be to see whether there is mutual interest on DT's part, and if not now when there might be.
Anything beyond this step would seem a fruitless exercise in the creation of pure negative fantasy.
Others have said Anthony did not get past admissions and is not going to be a Hawk now and Angelo has not committed either. AJ is not really even a possibility currently. Why would Chittum flip his commit based on something that hasn't happened? There has to be more to his flip than the possibility of Anthony coming to Iowa as it doesn't sound like that is happening anyway. Find it hard to believe a recruit is too "all in" if he flips from the possibility of another guy he wants nothing to do with joining the team. If none of the sports car brothers are coming, or only Angelo at the most, why still leave? Has to be more to the story.
In another thread (maybe?) It was mentioned that Dad Chittum shopped around for NIL deals and ISU had a better one. TB said, "no thanks" to the Chittum clan, after that.
the chittums are loaded. i ain't buying the 'he went after a bigger bag' thing.
