Garza Offensive Fouls

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

So, in a game he fouled out of, he was called for 2 offensive fouls, and a moving screen.

Anyone have stats on how many offensive fouls he has been tagged with this year? I think there is a chance he has more offensive than defensive fouls.

 

[SotaHawk87]

Just rewatched them.. absolutely cannot have that from officials. One bad call and one atrocious. You better be damn sure it’s a foul if you’re gonna take him out of the game.

 

[HungryHawk]

Just rewatched them.. absolutely cannot have that from officials. One bad call and one atrocious. You better be damn sure it’s a foul if you’re gonna take him out of the game.

I’m not saying he didn’t commit more than one foul, but of the ones called his fourth foul was the only sure thing.

 

[Hawk94Mn]

I think the moving screen and high elbow were both correct calls, I think Garza was fouled a lot and didn’t get many calls so I understand the frustration but I think he deserved at least 4 fouls today.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

Just rewatched them.. absolutely cannot have that from officials. One bad call and one atrocious. You better be damn sure it’s a foul if you’re gonna take him out of the game.

They knew the situation in the 1st Half as much as they did at the end of the game.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

I think the moving screen and high elbow were both correct calls, I think Garza was fouled a lot and didn’t get many calls so I understand the frustration but I think he deserved at least 4 fouls today.

You mean except for his last one?

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

I think the moving screen and high elbow were both correct calls, I think Garza was fouled a lot and didn’t get many calls so I understand the frustration but I think he deserved at least 4 fouls today.

Given how the game was officiated, that "elbow" was iffy at best. There was no moving screen and that "foul" on the rebound was the most ridiculous.

 

[papabeef]

I think the moving screen and high elbow were both correct calls, I think Garza was fouled a lot and didn’t get many calls so I understand the frustration but I think he deserved at least 4 fouls today.

I think the moving screen and high elbow were both correct calls, I think Garza was fouled a lot and didn’t get many calls so I understand the frustration but I think he deserved at least 4 fouls today.

2 high elbows to the head , they are going to get called 99% of the time . the screen for me was kinda tough , was he moving on his own or did the arm wrapped around his waist by the defensive guy help out . this was a big ten slugfest and we got as many calls for as against .

 

[papabeef]

They knew the situation in the 1st Half as much as they did at the end of the game.

and we still won .

 

[Hawk94Mn]

You mean except for his last one?

Given how the game was officiated, that "elbow" was iffy at best. There was no moving screen and that "foul" on the rebound was the most ridiculous.

the rebound foul was ridiculous. Players are good actors though. I would never want to officiate a high level b-ball game.

 

[SotaHawk87]

and we still won .

Doesn’t mean the officiating was poor, which it was!

 

[hawkedoff]

How many times did Garza score through contact and nothing was called? It was ridiculous.

 

[papabeef]

Doesn’t mean the officiating was poor, which it was!

this was one of the better officiated games i have seen for a while . excellent game .

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

this was one of the better officiated games i have seen for a while . excellent game .

They were kinda sorta consistent. Other than the foul calls against Garza.

 

[Zildjian6868]

I’m not sure it was bias officiating. Just bad officiating. This game and the Illinois game almost ended in fights because the officials couldn’t control the game. I only mention those two because Iowa is really the only team I watch from start to finish. Pretty bad when you watch Garza getting mugged under the rim and then they call a cheese touch foul on bakari that almost completes a 4 point play. Just in dire need of some consistency.

 

[HungryHawk]

Loved the way the game was called for the first 10-15 minutes. Both teams getting some contact, but they were letting them play. Somewhere around the 8 min mark in the first half the refs decided they wanted more attention and started using a different rulebook.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

I’m not saying he didn’t commit more than one foul, but of the ones called his fourth foul was the only sure thing.

And sad thing is Oturu travelled on that play too which should’ve negated that call.

 

[CUHawkeye91]

this was one of the better officiated games i have seen for a while . excellent game .

really? For the first 10 minutes it seemed like nothing was a foul, then several whistles for things that weren’t fouls earlier in the game, then back to swallowing their whistles only to change one more time at the end. The only thing consistent about today’s crew was the inconsistency. There seemed to be a few players frustrated by it as well.

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

Ok - I've gone through and reviewed box scores for the entire year. Obviously this won't be 100%, but it's pretty easy to see when there is a Foul + Turnover right next to each other that it is offensive.

For the season, I've counted 62 total fouls on Garza.
15 Offensive
8 Rebounding (occurring at the time of a rebound by the other team)
1 Technical
Which leaves 39/62 appearing to be defensive.

However, if you start counting only with the game at Maryland, look how things have changed recently for Luka:
19 total fouls
8 offensive
4 rebounding
Presumably 7 defensive

So, what has changed? Why is Luka now being called for so many offensive fouls, it isn't like he's changed how he is playing.

 

[papabeef]

really? For the first 10 minutes it seemed like nothing was a foul, then several whistles for things that weren’t fouls earlier in the game, then back to swallowing their whistles only to change one more time at the end. The only thing consistent about today’s crew was the inconsistency. There seemed to be a few players frustrated by it as well.

really

 

[lonesomedove]

Ok - I've gone through and reviewed box scores for the entire year. Obviously this won't be 100%, but it's pretty easy to see when there is a Foul + Turnover right next to each other that it is offensive.

For the season, I've counted 62 total fouls on Garza.
15 Offensive
8 Rebounding (occurring at the time of a rebound by the other team)
1 Technical
Which leaves 39/62 appearing to be defensive.

However, if you start counting only with the game at Maryland, look how things have changed recently for Luka:
19 total fouls
8 offensive
4 rebounding
Presumably 7 defensive

So, what has changed? Why is Luka now being called for so many offensive fouls, it isn't like he's changed how he is playing.

Coaches, like Izzo, getting in the officials head about it. Watch what happens when the Hawks play MSU. Cry baby Izzo will be on the official’s from the start, trying to get an edge, all the while his players will be mugging Garza.

 

[papabeef]

They were kinda sorta consistent. Other than the foul calls against Garza.

the 2 elbows to the head are going to get called and the fifth it looked like he took away oturus landing spot .

 

[papabeef]

Coaches, like Izzo, getting in the officials head about it. Watch what happens when the Hawks play MSU. Cry baby Izzo will be on the official’s from the start, trying to get an edge, all the while his players will be mugging Garza.

izzo getting into the officials head must not be working to well now days . lol

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

the 2 elbows to the head are going to get called and the fifth it looked like he took away oturus landing spot .

Nah, Oturu and Garza both jumped at where the ball was headed. They slightly bumped, but you can see Garza already putting his hands out and up to defend rather than push/continue attacking the ball. Oturu lost his balance and travelled. Officials just missed it.

 

[mstp1992]

Nah, Oturu and Garza both jumped at where the ball was headed. They slightly bumped, but you can see Garza already putting his hands out and up to defend rather than push/continue attacking the ball. Oturu lost his balance and travelled. Officials just missed it.

You are correct. No way did Garza get in Oturo’s landing area. He in no way impeded Oturo from grabbing the rebound, Oturo simply slipped and fell. Should have been called a travel. Fortunately, Iowa prevailed.

 

[Rudolph]

Moving screen was not the right call. Defender runs into Garza then wraps Garza around hip and moves Garza with him, making it look like Garza was setting a moving screen.

 

[walleye hunter16]

I think the moving screen and high elbow were both correct calls, I think Garza was fouled a lot and didn’t get many calls so I understand the frustration but I think he deserved at least 4 fouls today.

Can't argue that. However, 3 goofers should have fouled out on what they did to him and JW.

 

[2432Hawk]

Ok - I've gone through and reviewed box scores for the entire year. Obviously this won't be 100%, but it's pretty easy to see when there is a Foul + Turnover right next to each other that it is offensive.

For the season, I've counted 62 total fouls on Garza.
15 Offensive
8 Rebounding (occurring at the time of a rebound by the other team)
1 Technical
Which leaves 39/62 appearing to be defensive.

However, if you start counting only with the game at Maryland, look how things have changed recently for Luka:
19 total fouls
8 offensive
4 rebounding
Presumably 7 defensive

So, what has changed? Why is Luka now being called for so many offensive fouls, it isn't like he's changed how he is playing.

Because coaches will have that "talk" before games to point out things to officials to watch. Now, do they? Amazing when something is pointed out, they may look at it in a different perspective?

 

[2432Hawk]

Moving screen was not the right call. Defender runs into Garza then wraps Garza around hip and moves Garza with him, making it look like Garza was setting a moving screen.

Need to show Joe W. that film. maybe he can pickup on that and get some calls go his way?

 

[SanMateoHawk]

Nah, Oturu and Garza both jumped at where the ball was headed. They slightly bumped, but you can see Garza already putting his hands out and up to defend rather than push/continue attacking the ball. Oturu lost his balance and travelled. Officials just missed it.

Oturu is a major flopper. He throws his head back to make it look like he was hit on every play.

 

[Rudolph]

Need to show Joe W. that film. maybe he can pickup on that and get some calls go his way?

Weez needs to spend the offseason with Mahmoud Abdul Rauf. He trains Kemba. Needs to learn craftiness and creativity, how to be comfortable shooting out of tight windows. But he has progressed a lot since last year. I think he’ll make another big leap next season.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

Given how the game was officiated, that "elbow" was iffy at best. There was no moving screen and that "foul" on the rebound was the most ridiculous.

The more you post, the more I agree with you. I feel like I am hyper sensitive to moving screens because teams do it all the time but Iowa seems to get tagged for more than anyone... especially Kriener and Garza.

The consistency of calling a moving screen or defining what a moving screen is to players by the way it is being called is... well inconsistent.

 

[KuwaitHawk]

How many times did Garza score through contact and nothing was called? It was ridiculous.

Especially in the first half.

 

[HungryHawk]

Oturu is a major flopper. He throws his head back to make it look like he was hit on every play.

He definitely knew where the officials were all game. Looked to them after every play it seemed.

 

[CUHawkeye91]

really

Yep, really.

 

[iahawks10]

I think the moving screen and high elbow were both correct calls, I think Garza was fouled a lot and didn’t get many calls so I understand the frustration but I think he deserved at least 4 fouls today.

I won’t disagree, but if Garza deserved four fouls, how many did Oturu deserve? Believe it or not, he didn’t pick up his first foul until around the 15:00 mark of the second half. That is amazing. His second foul would have resulted in 2 points in wrestling.

 

[BBHawk]

I could see maybe all but the last foul. That was a horrendous call at an odd time, but the calls in this game were routinely bad so not surprising.

 

[Hawk94Mn]

I won’t disagree, but if Garza deserved four fouls, how many did Oturu deserve? Believe it or not, he didn’t pick up his first foul until around the 15:00 mark of the second half. That is amazing. His second foul would have resulted in 2 points in wrestling.

Oturo deserved 45

 

[papabeef]

Nah, Oturu and Garza both jumped at where the ball was headed. They slightly bumped, but you can see Garza already putting his hands out and up to defend rather than push/continue attacking the ball. Oturu lost his balance and travelled. Officials just missed it.

as oturu jumped to catch the ball garza bodied up behind just enough to take away his landing spot , cant do that especially from the blind side , tough call but the right call .

 

[owenhawk]

I think the moving screen and high elbow were both correct calls, I think Garza was fouled a lot and didn’t get many calls so I understand the frustration but I think he deserved at least 4 fouls today.

I would say 2 for sure but the one he fouled out on was absolutely atrocious and my problem with the moving screens is that Garza seems to get called in it every game but I can’t remember the last time it was called on team Iowa was playing. I’m sure it has but I was watching it closer than I normally would and there were multiple times at the top of the key Minnesota players were moving while screening Touissant or Evelyn on high pick-and-rolls. Like with everything Big Ten refs do, they are inconsistent with these calls and why they get so much crap from teams.

Garza definitely isn’t getting the “star” treatment the POY normally gets.