I disagree. That was a pretty weak call.
Garza Offensive Fouls
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I disagree. That was a pretty weak call.
Agree. If the shoe was on the other foot and that same call benefited Garza, I would’ve seen it as a gift.
I watched the last foul on Garza several times - it's an impossible call to make in real time. Obviously, there is no foul if Oturu doesn't fall down, but he did.
So, now the officials have to call a foul or traveling - did Garza cause the fall? I don't think so, but he did bump him.
Tough call - could have cost the Hawks a W.
So, now the officials have to call a foul or traveling - did Garza cause the fall? I don't think so, but he did bump him.
Tough call - could have cost the Hawks a W.
Wouldn't that foul for the elbow be considered in the cylinder of a player or not ?
It wasn't quite, Garza's shooting motion had the elbow/arm out a bit on the turn.
Sadly, he was whistled for only two (I believe).
At one point, he was just shoving Pemsl around the paint. Pemsl is a solid young man too. Fran is losing his $#*+ on the sideline, as Pemsl disengages his position. Pemsl goes back to post up again. Oturu moves him even farther off the block this time. Pemsl looks at the ref like WTF? The commentators are saying that Pemsl has to be careful at that moment (not to get T’d).
It’s crazy how inconsistent officiating from one point of the game to another and even from one player to another. I don’t pretend that basketball is an easy game to officiate by any means. IMO, it’s the hardest of the three major sports and it’s not really close. These officials do themselves no favors with their inconsistent calls.
If you are going to make detailed points on one call make them on all. Oh wait, that would be like being a ref that calls a game consistently and by the book. Nevermind.
He also lowered his shoulder at one point and literally slammed into Kriener, no call.
I hate Luka hedging or screening a long way from the basket, because those are fouls waiting to happen. We especially don't want Luka guarding perimeter players more than about 18' from the basket. Even if he doesn't get beat or a foul, it leaves his man in a mismatch near the basket.
I think teams are wisely trying to get Luka in foul trouble. If I were the opposing coach, I would be driving or having my big man go at him almost non-stop early in games. I would also be instructing guys guarding him to react to contact initiated by Luka, and he certainly does go at people regularly.
I think there were plenty of questionable calls in the Minny game, but the officiating was less biased in favor of the home team than most B1G games IMO.
I think teams are wisely trying to get Luka in foul trouble. If I were the opposing coach, I would be driving or having my big man go at him almost non-stop early in games. I would also be instructing guys guarding him to react to contact initiated by Luka, and he certainly does go at people regularly.
I think there were plenty of questionable calls in the Minny game, but the officiating was less biased in favor of the home team than most B1G games IMO.
Yeah, I don’t think it was any worse or better than most home teams get in the Big Ten. Unfortunately, most Big Ten crews are very inconsistent and it is maddening. I think the most frustrating part is Iowa finally have the dominant player in the conference yet he doesn’t seem to be getting the star treatment we have seen others get.
Garza plays the way all big men are coached to play. Keep the ball high, do not bring it down. How is he to do this with his elbows down and close to his body?
I watch a lot of college ball and while I could be accused of being somewhat biased, I think Garza gets fouled, without getting the calls, more than any player in the game. I think a lot of it is he's tough and doesn't bitch about every non-call like some players do.
I don't think he did anything wrong, just the contact with Oturu (at least the called contact) was not in Luka's cylinder. We have actually seen that offensive foul overturned for that reason last year...
Why I thought that moving screen was a joke I will call. And I don't know what else you can do should be allowed to turn into the basket you can't help it as elbows it's not like he's throwing them
I agree. When he set the low screen, Kalscheur was chasing Weezy around the screen. Kalsheur grabbed Luka's hip to try to go around him and it appeared that he moved Luka doing that. (well, maybe a little).
The second one I saw was where Luka, while being defended by Oturu, had the ball with his back to the basket and rotated to the basket with his elbows high and connected with Oturu.
I agree with this. In the Minny game Oturu was doing a lot more banging on Luka to defend him than vice versa, just because Luka was a lot stronger. Luka doesn't flop and just keeps coming. Anything in reverse would have been called for a foul.
On Luka's fifth foul, the replay showed that Luka did NOT move his feet at all and he kept his arms straight up. I understand why he was called for the foul when you saw it live at full speed. It looked like he had bodied up when Oturu was in the air. However, the correct call should have given him verticality and no foul, as I understand the rule.
My favorite part was when he tried to body Kriener like 3 times and then finally forced up a hook shot.....which he missed.
Lol weight room fail.
Yeah, Garza went to box out Oturu, and had his back to him so he couldn't know he was already in the air. As soon as Garza turned he went straight up and Oturu fell into him expecting the box out that didn't happen because of Luka's quick thinking.
I know why some people are defending the refs because they think they know the rule.......but they aren't looking at what actually f***ing happened.
It was a horsesh** call.
Pretty sure that was the same time when he lowered his head and bull rushed Kriener. Kriener didn’t even move.
You can lol all you want, but at one point Oturu absolutely lowered his shoulder and slammed it into RK. It was extremely obvious.
ask yourself this question , IF he lowered his shoulder and bull rushed kriener and kriener did not move where was the foul ? if kriener did not move where did oturu gain an advantage ?
OK, let's play this game. When a defender grazes the elbow of a shooter after the shot is released, where's the advantage and thus the foul? Look, it's ok to support the refs, they have a difficult job. Fans get the opportunity to watch replays or back it up and re-watch, yet will bitch when the refs are constantly stopping play to go to the monitor.
That said, your reasoning in this case doesn't hold water.
i agree with your assumption on grazing the elbow where is the advantage gained ? your kinda making my point . the foul called on bakari on the 3 pter i thought was a bad call . bad calls are going to happen . these are 45 to 65 year old men who dont train year round like the athletes do . we dont expect perfection out of our athletes why expect it out of our officials ? by the way good post .
You realize that the entire point of lowering your shoulder and bull rushing a player is to force them to move. Your hypothetical makes literally zero sense
He’s quite ignorant and blinded by love of Larry Scirotto. I doubt he realizes it.
