And don't stop at "southern pride". What does that flag signify that makes you proud to be from the south...specifically.
Georgia is once again issuing confederate flag license plates
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And don't stop at "southern pride". What does that flag signify that makes you proud to be from the south...specifically.
Here is your lesson. It doesn't matter what it means. It could mean nothing and that would be something, but still means nothing. It's not your concern. It's not your problem and there's nothing you can do about it.
It's only a problem to you because you're making it a problem. It isn't hurting you, you have never been harmed by it, but yet you make a problem of it.
Here endeth the lesson.
Encore...
It doesn't matter what it means. It could mean nothing and that would be something, but still means nothing. It's not your concern. It's not your problem and there's nothing you can do about it.
It's only a problem to you because you're making it a problem. It isn't hurting you, you have never been harmed by it, but yet you make a problem of it.
It doesn't matter what it means. It could mean nothing and that would be something, but still means nothing. It's not your concern. It's not your problem and there's nothing you can do about it.
It's only a problem to you because you're making it a problem. It isn't hurting you, you have never been harmed by it, but yet you make a problem of it.
You guys should run for office. Answering my questions without answering my questions. Bravo gentlemen.
We dictate the conversation, not you. Your question was answered and you simply didn't like the answer.
LOL...speaking of something that means absolutely nothing...Exhibit A.
Hey, OIT, you're not the nuttiest turd on the board. Nuttiest turd is not you.
Just kidding. You're both frootloops!
Like any survey you need to look at ALL the numbers.
In this particular poll that you cited (CNN/ORC, June 26-28, 2015), you failed to mention the breakdown by race (blacks = 303 -- margin of error in the results +/- 5.5% points; whites = 727 -- margin of error in the results +/- 3.5% points).
Southern Pride: All Americans = 57%; Blacks = 17%; Whites = 66%
Racism: All Americans = 33%; Blacks = 72%; Whites = 25%
Both equally: All Americans = 5%; Blacks = 7%; Whites = 3%
So, based on these numbers it's apparent that not ALL AMERICANS view the confederate flag equally.
There was also a poll by Gallup about the same time that showed some similar findings.
Southern Pride: All Americans = 54%; Blacks = 19%; Whites = 64%
Racism: All Americans = 34%; Blacks = 69%; Whites = 27%
It's also broken down by region (which didn't really matter), political affiliation (republicans and independents more likely than democrats to view it as a symbol of pride), and education (the more educated you were the more likely you were to view it as a symbol of racism).
The bottom line in all of this is that you can't make a blanket statement saying that how the flag is viewed is irrelevant because 'a majority don't view it as racist.' While technically true, it's misleading because you're implying race does not matter in how the flag is viewed.
Mstp,
I was refuting the claim made by others that most people see the flag as racist. That claim was made with no stipulations and is indisputably untrue.
Furthermore, meaning derives from intent and the polls show without question that most Southerners do not display the flag for racist reasons.
If your too stupid to get that then it's your problem, not mine.
I was refuting the claim made by others that most people see the flag as racist. That claim was made with no stipulations and is indisputably untrue.
Furthermore, meaning derives from intent and the polls show without question that most Southerners do not display the flag for racist reasons.
If your too stupid to get that then it's your problem, not mine.
I already acknowledged that technically speaking based on the results of recent surveys 'most American adults' do not view the flag as racist. However, to claim that's the end of the story then you really don't understand the divisiveness of the issue or how surveys can be interpreted when looking at all the variables. When there is such a significant difference in how races (or religions, genders, etc.) view a topic then one cannot simply state with any reasonable degree of certainty that the end results are conclusive for all considered. There is without a doubt that a majority of blacks view the confederate flag as a symbol of racism. Based on the available data there is no doubt that a majority of whites view it as a symbol of southern pride. It is also true that the significantly greater number of whites skews the data from these surveys to make it appear that the results cut across all demographics, when in fact they do not. Surveys like these are very misleading without presenting all the data and caveats. Without having all the raw data I wouldn't be able to accurately predict, but I would not be hesitant to guess that if you used race, education, region, political orientation as covariates the finding that "a majority of Americans do not view the flag as a symbol of racism" would not be upheld.
Furthermore, meaning is not necessarily derived strictly from intent. Just because your intention is that the confederate flag is a symbol of southern pride does not MEAN it is a symbol of southern pride in the minds of everyone. People can assign meaning to a symbol based on their own experiences and how they view the symbol. It's not like the definition of a word you'll find in the OED.
One other point, if you're unable to use "you're" and "your" correctly I'd suggest you be careful about casting aspersions.
So basically, this is just one big and pointless argument to be having? I agree.
There is no argument. They want to fly the flag but they don't want anyone to form opinions about them based on their choice. It's moronic.
I think it has mostly to do with those opinions turning into actions to have them taken down. A simple, ignore it, and worry about something more important would be less time consuming.
Well, if there are people who will advocate to fly it on state grounds then there will be people who will advocate against it. Gotta accept the rights of both.
You're missing the point. There is a significant difference between blacks and whites in how the confederate flag is viewed. There's something in play here called "empathy," or being able to understand how another person feels. Now, you may say the flag shouldn't mean anything to blacks because the intention is simply southern pride, but the numbers show it is offensive to a majority of blacks. Why should they be told to simply "... ignore it, and worry about something more important?"
How do you know it's not important?
You're missing a major point. There are a significant number of whites and a majority of blacks who view the flag as a symbol of racism. By extension, many of these people believe those who "proudly" display the confederate flag are also "racist." That's just the way it is.
When the legislature makes their call, you would think that would be the end of it. Never is.
I would imagine this would be a relatively fringe issue if the goverent just removed itself from the issue. I'm sounding uncomfortably republican recently.
