You actually have to make a “World Team or an Olympic Team” to classify as a “World or Olympic Team Member”.
In his defense, he listed N. Lee, Blaze and Retherford who have all been World Team members. But I don't think the fact that PSU has current or former world team members diminishes the quality of training partners Gilman would have at OSU if he still wanted to compete in Forrest, Figs, RBY, Kennedy (all have been on World Teams) along with Spratley, Hughes, McComas, Young etc. to offer different looks.
Gilman/Ono will both be at same weight. In Olympic years they will both have to be at 57, and in off years they both will likely be at 61. Not seeing your argument, except your helping me say that competition is likely behind him.
Fair enough. I guess my point was Gilman and Ono could both make Sr level world teams regardless of where they are training. Plus, I don't foresee Gilman as a factor in the 2028 games. Weight cut is very brutal on him.
OK, so he is the new Lee in the PSU paradigm? Gilman can beat LL or Blaze in their running for national/world teams and that's ok but he left Iowa because Lee was a threat?
I lived in Africa. And 25% of the relevant world, after all we are talking about kids migrating to the US for school/sport Regardless, you can take issue with the percentage and continue being pedantic, or you can actually respond to the actual point I was making.
Dear lord, did we really need 5 paragraphs explaining a typo? Everyone here knows what the difference is, that's why no one said anything. Should I have said "National AND alternate world team members in Blaze and Lee, along with current world team member Zain, in addition to Japan's World Team Member and world champ Ono?" or do you want to dissect that too?
If Gilman is still competing and headed back to PSU then he will be competing with LL (#2 American at 57), Blaze (#2 American at 61), or N Lee (#1 American at 65). But he left Iowa due to competition with Lee. Weird.
. And Bassett, Ayala, Tom, Terry, Bailey, etc offer additional talent. Which would have naturally played out if he never left. You mean like how Brooks took out Taylor?
Just because it happens doesn't mean it's not bothersome. Less bothersome when it's a team sport than individual, but even more bothersome when it's an individual sport and it's #1 guy in world and he will likely compete against your own #1 guy in the world.11 Iowa Hawkeyes to compete in Olympic games
IOWA CITY — Eleven current or former student athletes from the University of Iowa are competing in this week’s Summer Olympic games in Paris.www.swiowanewssource.com
Wait… the Univ of Iowa trained athletes competing for Canada, Great Britain, Nigeria, South Sudan and Spain to beat their U.S. counterparts?
For shame!
For shame!
And what sucks even more is the team championship only consists of 6 weights and it likely comes down to US, Russia, Japan and Iran....so a US trained foreigner has huge implications when talking about these countries in this sport
Not allowed to add this to a post I had already liked!
Fair point! I didn't think about that!
Maybe that's why I don't get many likes!The question from me is: What can PSU offer you when you are already the best in the world at age 20? It's not education - Japan's is better. It's not competition - you're already the best in the world so something is working. And it's certainly not to learn English. It's not for FUN and it's not for FAMILY and it's definitely not for "their Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ". It's not to learn folkstyle, that arguably deters from him further advancing in freestyle (maybe something Lee can be excited for, but probably not)
It makes me sad when I hear Thomas speak. He speaks authoritatively as though he has life all figured out. I always leave after hearing him speak thinking he has nothing figured out. I hope he grows up.
I didn't say OSU has better head-to-head wrestlers. I said it's a better overall environment and that OSU has more than adequate wrestlers for Gilman to use as a barometer. With OSU's roster/staff consisting of Fix, RBY, Forrest, Spratley, Figs, Sakamoto, Hughes, McComas, Kennedy and Sakamoto you can't tell me that Gilman is going back to PSU for training partners or to use LL as a barometer. Couple that with the fact that Gilman doesn't like training with the competition, then PSU would be less than ideal with LL (#2 in US, likely Gilman's ceiling), Blaze (#2 at 61) and N. Lee (#1 at 65)...couple that with the fact that Gilman would have to go 57 for Olympics and would have both LL and Ono in the room. At least at OSU, his only potential competition would be RBY/Fix who he has a better chance of beating than the others.
I believe that athletes traveling the world to train are good for wrestling. Everybody learns something. You don’t think those PSU guys will benefit from having Ono as a training partner? He’ll also be learning folk style, learning English, and getting an immersive experience in the U$.
Traveling to train = good
Relevant world?? Are you inferring that third world countries are irrelevant? If so, that reeks of the disgusting idea of American exceptionalism and superiority. Please, do NOT travel to Argentina, we don't want ignorant Americans here (yes, the internet is amazing, I'm 6000 miles from the U.S. and can post on this board).
Plus, welcoming back your very own is just the right thing to do.
I’m not clear on the pay. But, does it matter? I’m guessing he could have attended most schools of his choice. He chose PSU. And I doubt money was the deciding factor.
Yes, to the discussion and point I was making. And the percentage was also insignificant to the point I was making but you latched onto it like a dog with a bone. Please get off your high horse, you're grasping here and, again, being pedantic. I'm an ignorant American because I said much of the world, er, first world countries, speak English to make a point on a wrestling forum? Please. See a therapist for your insecurities, not me. Again, I lived in Africa and did human rights work post-Apartheid. I don't need any lecture from you on exceptionalism, superiority or sociology while we're at it. You're not only 6000 miles from the US, you're also 6000 miles from reality and what's happening in US collegiate sports. Ignore me and move on, I'm doing that to you now
No. Please do not even suggest that money wasn't a huge factor. Nobody parts with $1M for the fun of it (or an amount in that ballpark). And, he couldn't go to any school he wanted because no other recruited him. Only one did, and that's where he went. Sure, other schools could start actively recruiting foreign world champs but, to date, only one wrestling program has...and that's why I say they're ruining wrestling.
Maybe he can work at the Pentagon. He knows all about the Battle of Little Big Horn
I’ll bet Iowa would have had a spot on their roster for him. I thought I’d read foreign athletes weren’t eligible for NIL? But really makes no difference to me either way. Ono is an heir to a soy sauce empire, I believe? His family probably has as much money as some big donors, I’m guessing.
OK, are you saying he's not being paid? If so, you're wrong. Even PSU folks reported that he is, and hinted that it was above 300k. That's where the $1M comes from, if in fact he only has 2 years of eligibility. Again, the money is a point but not the only. And I guarantee you that he is not paying for tuition, books (in English) or room and board.
Money is always a deciding factor. I'm tired of hearing "his family is rich" or "his uncle is rich" so he doesn't need the money. You're crazy. People with money have money because they value money. I never heard someone with money say, "No, but thank you, I have money, you don't have to pay me." They have money because they don't have this mentality.
With all that money, maybe Ono can pay Carl, Zain and co to learn Japanese and travel to Japan.Where's Argentina? But at least we know someone in Argentina also speaks English. See?
Whether you like it or not, it apparently is all legal. Play the game, or risk falling further behind. It's a choice. If some school wants to have what it thinks are more/less noble (but still legal) standards, that's a choice....with a consequence. Live with it. What language he speaks has no effect on me or his wrestling performance. Many things I don't like about NIL, maybe the new rules will reign it in a bit?? Regardless, it's here to stay, crying over spilt milk won't change it. The Ono debate is far overblown IMO.Money is always a deciding factor. I'm tired of hearing "his family is rich" or "his uncle is rich" so he doesn't need the money. You're crazy. People with money have money because they value money. I never heard someone with money say, "No, but thank you, I have money, you don't have to pay me." They have money because they don't have this mentality.
Look for Soy Sauce Emperor to become the new PSU donor.
Also, don't believe the story that Figs gave up millions to go to OSU. That is simply bad reporting and untrue. He might have given up a little, but not millions. And assume that's true for brief second, then, what an idiot...He's not worth millions to give it up.
I know it's legal and I know it's the new game. That's my whole contention. It's out of control and ruining the sport. And the fact that it has now entered wrestling, and with such an extreme entry (a wealthy, non-English speaking World Champ) makes it stink that much more because it forces others to now play the game as well. There's no redeeming value to the situation, it's now become purchasing the best international talent irrespective of education, patriotism or anything else.
By the way, you also referred to these countries as "third world". You're stereotyping as well. Isn't that an equally disgusting display of exceptionalism and superiority? The term "third world country" implies non-relevance by definition. The movement was to unify "third world countries" to gain relevance against "first world" influence....like I said, get off your high horse and stop being an ignorant Argentinian.
Side note, in its original meaning “American exceptionalism” did not mean that America was better than other countries, but that it was different/unique in that it was founded on ideas/principles rather than a shared ethnic or cultural background
