As a lifelong Yankee fan I get so confused when people still refer to them as the “evil empire”. Prior to last year they pretty much sucked for a long time.
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What’s your point? 7 of the top 10 and 12 of the top 15 on the class of 2024 Big Board redshirted this year.
As a former White Sox fan I would be happy with that level of suck.
They have been in the playoffs 24 out of the last 27 years and 8 of the last 9. Sure, they've sucked for a long time.
Former!!!! You can't be serious.
We, yes we, have two things no other team can brag about. 2005 WS and Disco Demolition
This is hilarious… Picking up just 1 guy vs gutting multiple programs eh? Holy exaggeration.
Meanwhile PSU continues to throw $ stockpiling AAs, a world champion and blue chippers - several that will not find their way into the lineup that could make a significant impact on other teams and the team race. Quite possible we see All Americans Nagao, Davis, Kasak on the bench. AA Welsh if he comes and can’t beat out Ryder. In addition, blue chippers on the bench in Mirasola, Sealy, Ryder if Welsh takes the spot, and Facundo if he’s still content on being a room guy for a 3rd season.
If Penn State has top guys on the bench, doesn’t that make it easier for your guy to AA? If those top guys were starting elsewhere wouldn’t it make it more difficult for your guy to AA?
Pointing out the absurdity and exaggeration in his post by what’s hurting college wrestling.
The whole argument is dumb, really. Hawks need to do a better job winning head to head recruiting battles for the same guys.
Dumb or trolling? Bailey and Williams would need to be coming in at 174 and 184, replacing Kennedy/Arnold and Angelo to be the same as what psu is doing.
Let’s get specific. Rocco Welsh wasn’t coming to Iowa. Maybe he would have considered Okie State. Had he gone somewhere other than PSU, wouldn’t that be more difficult for PK/GA/AF to make a high podium spot than his going to PSU to compete for a starting spot with Levi or Ryder?
What’s the source for the factual assertion that PSU is throwing around bags of money stockpiling AAs, world champions and blue chippers? I’ve no doubts that Penn State wrestlers receive financial support but where’s the proof that it’s paying wrestlers more (or paying more wrestlers) than other programs such as Iowa, OKSt, or tOSU? Posters on this board throw such claims around all the time but I’ve never seen anyone back it up.
Official announcement tonight on Basch's podcast. Not expecting much surprise here.
Also, can someone fix the spelling of Rocco in the thread title? I keep reading it as rococo in my head.
Also, can someone fix the spelling of Rocco in the thread title? I keep reading it as rococo in my head.
Jerry Reinsdorf hates me. Why should I love the White Sox? The last straw was running Jason Bennetti out of town. I will return when Reinsdorf sells the team.
And how I looooove disco demolition. Steve Dahl, Garry Meier, and Bill Veeck I tip my cap.
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Don’t you want to be doing what PSU is doing?
PSU’s roster size is not much different from Iowa’s — PSU is just doing a better job of filling out its roster with high-quality depth, and the best guys take the mat. Isn’t that Iowa’s goal, too?
I doubt you’d complain if Iowa was doing that.
So when kids go in the portal, it’s Iowa’s fault for gutting their program? Maybe we should blame the mass exodus from Iowa State on Iowa too
Yes and it would also make it better for college wrestling. Is it that hard for you to see this point. Every true wrestling fan would rather see these kids on the mat for as long as possible and not being used as practice dummies.
Yeah I hate to see PSU bring in all these great wrestlers and let so many rot on the bench. So sad to see their talent wasted.
Who will be the next psu guy to hit the portal? Sealey, Barr, Ryder, Marsola? Will his brother go with him?
Ask Bob- he’s probably already called them
I'm sure they all hate being told how great they are when recruited, and then watching Carl recruit over them.
They are not being used. They are making conscious, informed decisions along with their parents. You act like they have no agency at a time when athletes have never been more empowered to act.
Bill Veeck, a classic
Owner of the Injuns the last time they won a title with IL man Lou Boudreax as the SS and Boy Manager.
Nancy Faust, Showers in Centerfield, Carey/Piersal and those softball uni's in the 70's won't bring you back in?
The original point still stands. The Yankees haven’t won the title since ‘09 which by their standards might as well be a millenium; and before that was 2000. Using them as an example of “buying championships” is preposterous.
The point is if the young bucks are ready let them go. Redshirting just because or trying to perfectly align eligibility to build some kind of super team makes no sense in the modern sports world when guys can simply transfer out whenever they feel like it. If an older guy is clearly the better option than that’s a different story.
Trappee85 is 183% correct.
Any mentions of wives, whether she's your own or simply mentioned in passing, requires mandatory pictures.
Rules or rules. Even you PSU homeboys can't find a loop hole.
All great reasons to come back. And only one reason to stay away. When Reinsdorf sells (come on Justin Ishbia), I am back.
Nope. Replacing AAs and top tier recruits before they've hit the mat is ridiculous and bad for the sport. I want to see guys come in and improve throughout their careers and be multi time AAs and champions. Portal guys can be used to fill clear needs, not to replace guys that have already shown the ability to succeed.
I agree. But I don’t think there is a big reason to be critical of people talking about it, when you consider that most guys redshirt.
Ok. To each their own.
But replacing AAs and top tier recruits is not inherently bad for the sport. The replaced individuals have options and, unless they quit outright, continue contributing to the sport.
Good wrestlers want to train with other good wrestlers. Those whose goal is to get on the mat this year have the freedom to portal out. No one is being held hostage. Maybe they all just really want to be in that room.
We want to see top guys wrestling each other, that's what makes for an entertaining sport.
To each their own indeed. You guys are all the same. As long as the results are what you want the ends will always justify the means. That's the Cael way.
Yes, folks in PA are an interesting lot.
Those geriatric nitwit fan’s days must get pretty 🥱 and thumping their chests amongst themselves and slapping each other on the back tiresome…
Though irritating, on some level, we can embrace it, simply because it forces us to reflect on what we can do to “be better” both on/off the mat and on fan sites.
I’ve counted prolly fifty nitwit trolls over here the last few days. Kinda sad that spending time on other fan boards is what each do to fill their days. Guess they ain’t got much else or their egos just need some help but it’s both odd & sad. I dunno. Maybe as Hawk fans we should take it as a compliment?!?
You still have not demonstrated what is “wrong” with “replacing” AAs and top tier recruits with other wrestlers. Just that you don’t want your favorite team to do it. And your comment does not illustrate that there is anything nefarious about “the means”. Even the “replaced” wresters aren’t complaining about it. They either embrace the competition and get better, or they leave to wrestle somewhere else (while likely haven gotten better). See Barraclough as a recent example.
By your logic, it seems that guys should be guaranteed a spot as long as they are AA-quality. That is anti-competitive and bad for the sport.
how many years in a row have people been doing the "recruits are going to start realizing cael doesn't care about them" thing? 5? 10?
and still, cael rakes in guys that he seemingly doesn't even need
it's pretty clear those recruits aren't bothered by it nearly as much as we are
Good, bad, or otherwise for the sport, a head coach is responsible for putting his best possible team on the mat. If you have a chance to upgrade, you do it most of the time.
If the shoe were on the other foot Iowa fans would love it and PSU fans would be complaining.
Hypocrisy is one of the most common but lamest accusations . People will always explain away a self serving situation but hold the other guy to a higher standard .
4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." This is number 4 of Saul Alinsky’s rules of radicals. It’s politics but it works well with any conflict between two parties.
Accept the situation, do what it takes to win within certain “rules”. Obviously there’s always a question of the rules. If more people looked at these situations through a different filter they might understand it better . But it’s hard with fandom.
